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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.28 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: James 315 Since BoB is not invincible, it must inevitably run into an opposing force that is superior.
It seems to me the only reason BOB and allies will ever lose is because of their own successes. In beating virtualy every alliance of note they have or will eventualy have pushed so many refugees (for want of a better word) together that they will eventualy get to a point of stalemate.
A point where the sheer numbers of hostile corps and alliances arrayed against them is just to great and a situation arises where they come to a halt, unable to push forwards but with hostiles unwilling to leave their areas to invade the real BOB and allies regions.
It will not be goon, ra or any other of the child like alliances that will put a halt to BOB's and allies march across the eve universe it will be BOB and allies themseves.
Although im sure goon and others will try to take the credit the fact is there never will be another alliance to rival BOB or there allies in the way they played and worked eve and who's failure will be due and only due to their successes.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.28 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: CrispyKritters
Originally by: Moonlight Express
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: James 315 Since BoB is not invincible, it must inevitably run into an opposing force that is superior.
It seems to me the only reason BOB and allies will ever lose is because of their own successes. In beating virtualy every alliance of note they have or will eventualy have pushed so many refugees (for want of a better word) together that they will eventualy get to a point of stalemate.
A point where the sheer numbers of hostile corps and alliances arrayed against them is just to great and a situation arises where they come to a halt, unable to push forwards but with hostiles unwilling to leave their areas to invade the real BOB and allies regions.
It will not be goon, ra or any other of the child like alliances that will put a halt to BOB's and allies march across the eve universe it will be BOB and allies themseves.
Although im sure goon and others will try to take the credit the fact is there never will be another alliance to rival BOB or there allies in the way they played and worked eve and who's failure will be due and only due to their successes.
If you slurp a few more times like this, BoB *may* let you in.
or you can pay a one time fee of $9.95 and the goons will let you in.
ok
Yup 10 bucks to join a alliance that got its butt kicked then waited til we defeated enough ppl to give them a actual chance to take and hold a few systems instead of hiding behing others skirts in a npc station. lol
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.28 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Crivens
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Yup 10 bucks to join a alliance that got its butt kicked then waited til we defeated enough ppl to give them a actual chance to take and hold a few systems instead of hiding behing others skirts in a npc station. lol
Hey, at least with FATAL membership to an alliance that got it's "butt kicked" is free.
When was this butt kicking then bud?.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.28 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon
I like dice, I really do.
Dice vs gf though? They'll have a great kill to death ratio and they'll be circle jerking about it as their last station falls and their corp falls apart.
Id say GF would win but only because of the total blob they would bring and not down to any sort of skill on the part of GF cos they have none.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.28 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Orangir
Originally by: Murina How much did you get paid when you lost your space???.
Well we sold Shrike's officer mods for like 40b total so I think we've got you beat here. Try another line of reasoning.
Reasoning ship losses to equate to an actual payment to stay away?.
How about trolling through KB's and comparing prices of all ships killed in the war since BOB or goon formed next?.
Nice try at avoiding the question of how much BOB paid you but we both know you got nothing and any victories you attained were down to others leading and you making up the numbers.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.28 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Alias11 Edited by: Alias11 on 28/07/2007 17:07:04
Originally by: Murina
So your saying that 4-6 months before you attacked LV we knew you were coming and left?. LOL just LOL.
4-6 months before we attacked LV we were attacking KOS, I'm fairly certain you guys knew.
Originally by: Murina
And by all means check any of the numerous alliances KB from the drone regions and see if you find any DICE on them from our war lol. You should realy get your facts straight before you post a moronic claim about dice fighting for us.
I dunno, I didn't pay much attention to the war but I just remember one of my friends bragging about how tight you were with Dice and how awesome they were the whole time you were up there so I figured they came to help.
Originally by: Murina And i did not ask how much goon (and the guys YOU BROUGHT with you that actualy beat LV) paid for LV space. I asked how much BOB paid you when they kicked you out of your old systems cos like i said we got 22bil for ours in the drone area if we promised not to come back for 3 months.
The same price we paid when we took said stations back, why?
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: KIATolon
I like dice, I really do.
Dice vs gf though? They'll have a great kill to death ratio and they'll be circle jerking about it as their last station falls and their corp falls apart.
Id say GF would win but only because of the total blob they would bring and not down to any sort of skill on the part of GF cos they have none.
KA BLAMMO
It's not my fault we're better at making friends
Wrong BOB and allies are just better at kicking butt and you guys are like a refugee camp for the losers.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.28 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon Seriously, I think his corp is some kind of GIA plant. No one can be that clueless.
After one of you guys sayin that Dice did all the heavy lifting in the drone regions and then getting it pointed out that they wer'nt even there id say you should educate the clueless amoung your own ranks before commenting.
Originally by: alais11
I dunno, I didn't pay much attention to the war but I just remember one of my friends bragging about how tight you were with Dice and how awesome they were the whole time you were up there so I figured they came to help.
I suppose in attacking me instead of the facts you hope to avoid the points made. But realy bud check who is leading FATAL before you comment on gunny or 12's opinion.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.28 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Alias11
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: alais11
I dunno, I didn't pay much attention to the war but I just remember one of my friends bragging about how tight you were with Dice and how awesome they were the whole time you were up there so I figured they came to help.
I suppose in attacking me instead of the facts you hope to avoid the points made. But realy bud check who is leading FATAL before you comment on gunny or 12's opinion.
You're getting me and tolon backwards bud, you also spelled my name wrong.
I said from what one of your guys was harping on how dice was awesome, I kinda figured you were getting help back then.
Also I think it's pretty safe to say that you're not a pvp alliance, because a pvp alliance would rather fight than make money. You have proven you would rather make money than fight, ergo, you are an alliance of carebears
As you already and to be honest suprised me by actualy admiting you were wrong about dice helping us id suggest you check the reports on the war in ym- before you make another factual error about us rather making money than fighting. Il not go into details of how long we fought or what we were reduced to fighting with or how many we faced but if you had been there you would not consider us a carebear alliance.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.30 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: Ravysa Delorean I hope BoB and Goons lose.
Honestly, I think that would be awesome.
/signed
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.31 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Gentle Glide
Im a pirate, making me completly unbias'd in this. But check this out, your an idiot. Goonfleet while comprimised of noobs and up and coming players, has the skills incoming. There getting better. And your getting scared. Goonfleet would BBQ Fatal and i know it because my best friend IRL's charecter is in Fatal. Goonfleet is good at Eve. and they dont care about loosing ships, there morale is so high and that makes them even more dangerous because they wont just say "This sucks im leaving" like LV/V did (which if im not mistaken comprises most of your alliance?) get over it stop making yourself look closed minded and stupid.
BoB has found its match.
GL to all involved, come through rancer
How does anybody in eve get scared? its not like we realy die buddy as the blobs we now face show. And as far as them getting more skilled, nope again bud they are just getting more numbers and the state of the game suits their style at present with all the desynch.
Goon runs the blob its that simple. But i agree its the numbers that count in eve not skill or know how so yes the numbers and their blob makes them "good at eve".
And BOB did not meet its match it created it by beating every large alliance in the game for ages. They gathered up and the result is the huge blobs we now see.
Now i do not blame goon or any of the others for doing this because its the natural order of any situation and if you check the history books its happened to every empire in history, Greek, Roman, British we all beat so many and made so many enemies we eventualy could'nt contain them and got pushed out by sheer force of numbers. But that eventuality is down to the skill of BOB and its allies by beating so many not the skill of the blobs they now face.
If you cannot see that it is you who is the close minded idiot who looks stupid.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.31 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Relaria Hossin So what I'm getting from this thread is that having superior numbers is in fact a noobie exploit and in no way a valid tactic that has been in use for as long as our race has existed.
There is nothing tactical about a blob it is just a unfortunate result of to much success.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.31 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Relaria Hossin Edited by: Relaria Hossin on 31/07/2007 19:34:16 Tactics are not limited to how well you fit and fly your personal ship. Tactics encompasses all aspects of warfare including the gathering and organizing of warm bodies to do the fighting.
If you are being out-blobbed as you put it, there are many solutions including but not limited to recruiting more people to fight for your side.
Goonswarm's "secret" to it's numbers is actually not a secret at all. The main source of pilots are people who have never even played EVE before. We recruit these new players, give them ships, move them to 0.0 space and begin teaching them how to be a useful pilot in PvP from their very first day as a member.
The result of this method of recruitment is easily apparent if you take a look at how Goonswarm has started and how far it's members have come. We have people who were flying frigates in Syndicate who now field Dreadnoughts for our capital fleet. Throughout their entire time in EVE these players have been in the deep end of EVE, PvPing with players who have been playing for months and even years longer than they have.
If you're being outnumbered by people who are recruiting more people to the game and training them from newbies, the obvious solution is to step up recruitment yourselves.
I fully endorse people recruiting more newbies into EVE regardless what corporation is doing it because in the end the winner will be EVE itself.
I agree that tactics cover more than fitting your ship or having loads of skill points but sorry bud gaining noobs using them like lemmings and calling it a tactic does not make you skilled in anything.
Read the long winded post about it your buddy put up especialy this part il translate for ppl who are finding it a bit of a hard read.
"If we strip the combat of all modifications which it may undergo according to its immediate purpose and the circumstances from which it proceeds, lastly if we set aside the valour of the troops, because that is a given quantity, then there remains only the bare conception of the combat, that is a combat without form, in which we distinguish nothing but the number of the combatants".
This number will therefore determine victory.
Translated-
Basical he says that if you take skill, tactical knowledge and all other deciding factors out of the fight the fella with the greater numbers will win.
WELL DUH!!! LOL
Here is another bit i think is relavant as well;
"In such an aspect we grant, that the superiority in numbers is the most important factor in the result of a combat, only it must be sufficiently great to be a counterpoise to all the other co-operating circumstances".
If you read the full post you will see that the "co-operating circumstances"are tactical and strategic know how, at a personal level and as a whole.
Translated-
He is saying that numbers will only win if you bring enough to overcome the tactical skill know how and other abilitys of your enemy.
So in conclusion-
Bragging about your ability to put together a multiple alliance version of the lemmings leap and claiming it as a your tactical stroke of genius is in fact a blinding example of your total lack of strategic or tactical knowledge. And a fine example of your attempt to overwhelm BOB's skill and tactical knowledge by sheer numbers.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.31 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: JenDen And a fine example of your attempt to overwhelm BOB's skill and tactical knowledge by sheer numbers.
Point? Goons are actually succeeding at it.
And if you had read my previous posts you would see that i agree with you but it is not a eve skill or pvp tactic it is a resort you use when you have no tactics or pvp skills that can win on a equal or even if you have slightly superior in numbers.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 01/08/2007 01:16:57 Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 01/08/2007 01:15:18
Originally by: Orangir When goons are better at making friends than you are, you've got a serious problem.
M8 you ***** me up but i do agree with you goon aint good at making friends.
I think BOB is just good at making enemies.
Since when was crA ck a swear word and got auto censored?.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gentle Glide
Umm.. The current way to fight warfare in eve is... BLOBBING DING DING DING DING. And Goons have learned to be damned good at it. What in your closeminded head thinks that those little bastards cant learn any other form of warfare that eve throws at us. BoB will fall. New alliances will take there place, my brother is in a pet corp there are those who think the pets should rebel. For now its just whispers between friends but one day, who knows. With this many hell bent on taking them out i cant see a way to survive unless they want to survive. And i hate to say it but BoB pilots will jump ship to the next w1n alliance long before they give everything they have in defense of that alliance. And when RSF mows them down who knows, maybe they will come to the north and squash you.
Wow not a lot of love lost between you and bob hey buddy.
And starting a sentance with words like "those" and ending with "us" kinda shows whose camp your in and your loyalties lie. See below lol;
"What in your closeminded head thinks that those little bastards cant learn any other form of warfare that eve throws at us". OOPS lol
Nice to see you try to slip a bit of propaganda in there as well with the "my brother is in a pet corp there are those who think the pets should rebel. For now its just whispers between friends but one day, who knows".
Tin foil hat at the ready.
My post your commenting on actualy agrees with the fact that the blob is the standard warfare in eve if you had bothered to read it fully.
But to claim that goon or anybody else is "good at it" is the most stupid thing i have ever heard, its a blob of ships and ppl that eventualy wear down the enemy, there is no tactic involved.
And as i said it was BOB and their allies that created so many hostile entitys by beating so many other large alliances not goon or anybody elses recruiting skill.
BOB and allies are spread out at the moment so we cannot realy "counter blob", but you maybe right we will get pushed back but all that will do is consolidate us into a "counter blob". And then it will be you who will be in our position ie; having to cover a large area of space against a compact and enormous blob, until we push you back into another compact blob of your own and its your turn again.
Please read my posts as we actualy do agree on a lot of issues the only differance is that i know the only end will come if eve closes or every body resets their standings so their is no massive napped alliance fleets.
You seem to think like BOB did, that goon and its allies can rule over EVE sori m8 not a chance. Think about it, the more you win the more ppl you make hostile just like BOB has done. It is a dynamic progression you cannot avoid.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 01/08/2007 22:00:00 Im not pro bob im anti-blob. You on the other hand are obviously pro goon.
If all the new north and all the other bob allies get defeated and pushed into one region or area then yes we will then out blob you guys cos you will have to much area to cover just like we do now while we will be consolidated.
Now you do understand that if your ship blows up and you get podded or your alliance gets beaten back that your not out of the game and you can move to another area dont you??.
The only reason your comments make sense is because you either are to stupid understand what i have writted above and on many other posts. Or your ignoring it because it blows your obviously predjuditial opinion out of the water.
Shut up learn to read or get a brain.
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