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Matokin Lemant
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Posted - 2014.02.02 07:55:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:I suggested something in reference to this idea before it was fully fleshed out in Features and Ideas to "test the waters" and get ideas/support for the idea before making the proposal here. The original posting can be found here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=296673#post296673It met much support, so I figured to post it here with the full listing of ideas that were proposed. Now for the proposal itself: Too long have people been complaining in reference to the inability to haul fitted/rigged vessels, to which the response was always "get an Orca." The inherent problem here, was that the Orca was severely limited in size of vessels which would be transported, as it was only designed to carry a couple of mining barges. What I propose is a ship capable of hauling three fitted/rigged Tier 3 Battleships (but no capital ships). The vessels would be Tier 2 Freighters, broken down by race. And rather than a Ship Hangar Array, they would have a Ship Transport Bay (which would only allow for transport, but not launching or switching of ships in space). They would have no high slots, but would have a small amount of low and medium slots to allow them to fit a modest tank and ECM/Sensor Damps, etc, so that they would not be sitting ducks due to the cargo types they'd be hauling, and they'd be highly specialized for their job. The Amarr would have the Pillar-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Imperial Shipment Support Tug Skill Bonus: Would receive a 5% bonus to Armor Resistances per level and 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level The Caldari would have the Pelican-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Lai Dai Support Tug Skill Bonus: Would receive a 5% bonus to Shield Capacity per level and 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level The Minmatar would have the Bedouin-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Freedom Extension Support Tug Skill Bonus: Would receive a 5% bonus to Agility per level and a 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level The Gallente would have the Monolith-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Transtellar Shipping Support Tug Skill Bonus: Would receive a 5% bonus to Armor Hitpoints and a 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level Freighter Skill Bonus: +0.6 Warp Strength per level Necessary Skills: Racial Freighter II - Advanced Spaceship Command I -- Spaceship Command V Racial Industrial V - Spaceship Command III -- Racial Frigate III -- Spaceship Command I These ships would allow for the transport of a maximum of three fitted/rigged Tier 3 Battleships or a plethora of smaller ships for long distance hauling (would be useful for those pilots who move frequently, neutral contractors who could haul ships for war stricken parties, and it would give a new level of immersion for dedicated industrialists or "space truckers.") These ships would fill a necessary logistical gap in overall operations for the ever-changing sandbox that is the EVE Online universe.
I like the idea but I would love to see them be able to use the Micro Jump Drive, with 50% reduction in reactivation delay
Other then that +1 from me |
Wesley Otsdarva
Asuratech Industrial Corp Brothers Of The Dark Sun
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Posted - 2014.02.02 17:32:00 -
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Matokin Lemant wrote:
I like the idea but I would love to see them be able to use the Micro Jump Drive, with 50% reduction in reactivation delay
Other then that +1 from me
Why a microjump drive? travelling 100km is not important for a hauler. Using actual jump drives to get across many systems however, is important. If it's to stop people from scramming you and killing you 100K won't save you from an inty. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:39:00 -
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Wesley Otsdarva wrote:Matokin Lemant wrote:
I like the idea but I would love to see them be able to use the Micro Jump Drive, with 50% reduction in reactivation delay
Other then that +1 from me
Why a microjump drive? travelling 100km is not important for a hauler. Using actual jump drives to get across many systems however, is important. If it's to stop people from scramming you and killing you 100K won't save you from an inty.
Someone didn't think that thought through, considering the Crow especially, which runs at damned near 5km/s. Would take about 20 seconds to get there, which means.... you'd be screwed, especially since the most favored Crow fits favor a long point, which runs about a 24km range. So with that in mind, in about 15 seconds, you'd be pointed and would stand no chance of escaping, even with maxed navigation skills.
Jump capable, maybe, in a T2 variant later down the road.
But first, it would be nice to get a standard variant so that people could just haul their fitted/rigged ships with some form of defensive capability (tank and/or EWAR). "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1156
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Posted - 2014.02.07 00:38:00 -
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Keep the support train rolling. We've gotten the CSM's attention. Let everyone you know that WE WANT THIS!!!! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1160
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Posted - 2014.02.10 03:45:00 -
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Keep pushing for this. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die Retribution.
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Posted - 2014.02.11 18:05:00 -
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So yes we definitely need this however, we already have this its called a Carrier. Next someone will want to carry 5 BS, then 10, then 15. When does it stop?
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1160
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:18:00 -
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I think you completely missed the point. As stated, this won't be able to launch in space, and furthermore is helping round out industry to better balance with their combat counterparts. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
825
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Posted - 2014.02.12 07:51:00 -
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I was chatting with someone on skype today about the tugboat concept and they saw it as a loot pinata
Which it would be, in a way, depending on its death mechanics.
But I suggested an addendum to aggro mechanics that any owner of a ship in the line would have 'return fire rights' of a lmiited engagement. Think of a chain of industrials towed by the tug but with escort ships that had a stake in seeing the caravan gets to the destination.
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1160
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Posted - 2014.02.13 01:47:00 -
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I'll definitely put some thought into it, and appreciate both the support and input. Just off the cuff I would say that attacking one could extend aggro to either the corporation of the pilot or the owners of the cargo.Mike Azariah wrote:I was chatting with someone on skype today about the tugboat concept and they saw it as a loot pinata
Which it would be, in a way, depending on its death mechanics.
But I suggested an addendum to aggro mechanics that any owner of a ship in the line would have 'return fire rights' of a lmiited engagement. Think of a chain of industrials towed by the tug but with escort ships that had a stake in seeing the caravan gets to the destination.
m
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1160
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:34:00 -
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Anyone else have any suggestions on aggro? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1204
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Posted - 2014.02.26 16:15:00 -
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Some input on aggro mechanics would be helpful. Lets keep the ideas coming in. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Rikanin
Azerick Industrial
70
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:16:00 -
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I've been wanting something like this for years. I'd have settled for a rig slot on the current freighters where 1 rig makes it a ship carrier and the other rig makes it a normal freighter but a whole new ship would be cool too. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1204
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Posted - 2014.03.06 22:19:00 -
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Well, the reason I proposed a new ship was to help round out the industrial/support side of EVE. I figured this could create some intrigue, and have potential for tears to be spilled by pirates. All in all, everyone would win.Rikanin wrote:I've been wanting something like this for years. I'd have settled for a rig slot on the current freighters where 1 rig makes it a ship carrier and the other rig makes it a normal freighter but a whole new ship would be cool too.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Rikanin
Azerick Industrial
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:28:00 -
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No it's a good idea...new ship would be cool. The rig idea was just something I thought up a long time ago because I thought it would be less development work (no need for new models) and more likely to be implemented.
Totally cool with having a whole new ship class. :)
They should have another one of those artist contests to have the users submit design ideas. That'd be cool. |
Gabriel Karade
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
169
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Posted - 2014.03.08 11:16:00 -
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Great idea, but please don't call it a 'tug'
What you propose is a 'Heavy-lift ship' or 'Heavy Transport Ship'
Like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL4CB4SZieo
edit:
And here's another example of the same ship, lifting a 'small' military vessel....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUsLDPWSY1Q
Gallente MkII: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1227770 War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1206
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Posted - 2014.03.08 16:07:00 -
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The support tug was simply the first name that came to mind while myself and a few friends were spitballing ideas. The official class name that we decided to stick with after the fact was "Envoy." "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1207
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Posted - 2014.03.13 18:55:00 -
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This thing still needs support and input. Invite your corpmates, alliance mates and friends to check this out and make their input. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1207
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:24:00 -
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Does anyone have anything that they would like to input? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1221
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Posted - 2014.03.20 21:24:00 -
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Even if this were to be reduced to a single faction ship, give it the appearance of a skeletal structure with ship transport bays within the structure. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:35:00 -
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I'd love to see this come to fruition so that everyone can have something else to fly or shoot at. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1252
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Posted - 2014.04.07 01:16:00 -
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We need moar ships! BECAUSE MOAR! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
85
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Posted - 2014.04.18 14:50:00 -
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this, I want this! :) |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1253
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Posted - 2014.04.18 22:10:00 -
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Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:this, I want this! :)
Well start garnering more support! TELL EVERYONE! MOAR SHIPS!!!!!!
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:52:00 -
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+1 for targe-... Err, tugs.
Would the fitted ships drop if you poped one though?
Because, incursion people have really nice ships... The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1267
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Posted - 2014.05.13 03:23:00 -
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Yes they would on a percentage base. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Omega Flames
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
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Posted - 2014.05.22 02:25:00 -
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more ships = better eve <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
Projectile Sally
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.19 20:53:00 -
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+ 1 Cant find any fault with this idea. everyone wins \o/ |
Rin Valador
Sovereign Colonies Armed Forces
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Posted - 2014.06.20 17:30:00 -
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Glad and not glad to still see this thread around.
Only reason I am not glad is because the idea was never implemented TT_TT "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10 |
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance
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Posted - 2014.06.22 09:16:00 -
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+1
Seems like a fine idea to me. Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya. |
RoAnnon
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.09 00:34:00 -
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I still support this, it should be back on the front page for a bit :) So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |
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