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Laser Wolf
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Posted - 2007.08.05 02:16:00 -
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Why is Saila always so hideously lagged? I know all the systems in the Caldari Corridor can get slow at times, but it seems Saila is always an order of magnitude worse than anywhere else. I never get as much delay in Aramachi, Laah, Motsu as I do in Saila. This BS just completely regenned his shields while I was waiting for my launchers to reload, and that was BEFORE I started typing this, and they're still reloading.
Did they forget to upgrade the hardware on Saila's cluster or something? Or is there some other special reason Saila's the most funnest system ever to run L4s in? :P
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Krav
Egad Inc. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.05 04:01:00 -
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It may feel that way now, but take it from me, all the systems you've mentioned lag out hideously. It's these systems which house hundreds of mission runners, each with their own l4 missions of over 30 npcs, all adding together. Check the map statistics on pirate and police ships destroyed for these systems.... they're the brightest red possible.
My advice is to stop putting yourself through the suffering. Use eve-agents.com and find yourself a nicer, quieter system to do l4's in. There's many decent spots with a very low (comparatively speaking) population.
One last piece of advice: Never look back when you leave, or just like in the Bible, you might be turned into a pillar of salt (indeed, a pillar of lagged salt). Krav =====
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Callthetruth
Caldari Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.08.05 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Krav It may feel that way now, but take it from me, all the systems you've mentioned lag out hideously. It's these systems which house hundreds of mission runners, each with their own l4 missions of over 30 npcs, all adding together. Check the map statistics on pirate and police ships destroyed for these systems.... they're the brightest red possible.
My advice is to stop putting yourself through the suffering. Use eve-agents.com and find yourself a nicer, quieter system to do l4's in. There's many decent spots with a very low (comparatively speaking) population.
One last piece of advice: Never look back when you leave, or just like in the Bible, you might be turned into a pillar of salt (indeed, a pillar of lagged salt). Krav
saila is a smalelr au wide system than motsu hence the less grids and more compressed numbers on the node and hence hte higher lag rates
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Mastin Dragonfly
Absolutely No Return The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.08.05 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Laser Wolf Why is Saila always so hideously lagged?
I heard lack of common sense causes lag, and Saila is filled to the brim of ppl bereft of it.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.08.05 08:48:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 05/08/2007 08:48:05
Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly
Originally by: Laser Wolf Why is Saila always so hideously lagged?
I heard lack of common sense causes lag, and Saila is filled to the brim of ppl bereft of it.
lmao... so true!
The real question you should is 'Why am I in Saila' ?
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.08.05 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
The real question you should is 'Why am I in Saila' ?
The real answer is that there is a incredible lack of high-quality lvl4 caldari navy agents in contrast to the number of people running missions for them
and not only that, they are clusterd together :p |
Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 05/08/2007 11:11:18
Originally by: MuffinsRevenger
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
The real question you should is 'Why am I in Saila' ?
The real answer is that there is a incredible lack of high-quality lvl4 caldari navy agents in contrast to the number of people running missions for them
and not only that, they are clusterd together :p
Yeah and the Navy is the only Caldari corp that has L4 kill mission agents and offers CNRs ...
Sad thing is, most of the cattle lagging Saila with their lack of common sense probably actually believe that...
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 05/08/2007 11:11:18
Originally by: MuffinsRevenger
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
The real question you should is 'Why am I in Saila' ?
The real answer is that there is a incredible lack of high-quality lvl4 caldari navy agents in contrast to the number of people running missions for them
and not only that, they are clusterd together :p
Yeah and the Navy is the only Caldari corp that has L4 kill mission agents and offers CNRs ...
Sad thing is, most of the cattle lagging Saila with their lack of common sense probably actually believe that...
Eve more sad is that some of them think that Saila/Motsu are just 'a little bit worse'. They don't realise that lag is almost non-existant outside of that constellation. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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Simmith
Royal Geographic Society
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Posted - 2007.08.05 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Yeah and the Navy is the only Caldari corp that has L4 kill mission agents and offers CNRs ...
And alot of people still seem to believe that caldari navy is the only one that offers CNR
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.08.05 21:57:00 -
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And the rest of the people fail to comprehend that the lp store is corp spesific, meaning that those who actually have had time to reach say 450k lp probobly don't want to change corp, or even downgrade to a agent with half the quality to force you doing twice as manny missions to reach the CNR you have been working hard for months to get
Really, these dumb ideas need to stop :D
besides, just adding a few high-quality lvl4 agents and moving them out across caldari space would solve alot of the problems more or less instantly |
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.08.06 01:23:00 -
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Ummm there are plenty of high/med quality Caldari agents who give out CNRs faaaar from the Motsu lag cluster.. All it takes is some digging to find them.. Oh wait thats like minimal effort on the players part so it won't ever happen..
Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
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Laser Wolf
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Posted - 2007.08.06 05:23:00 -
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Heh I knew this thread was going to become a "find an agent somewhere else" flamefest....the funny thing is I'm not even grinding for a CNR, I'm on the drake to nighthawk plan :)
The truth is that if it was just that easy, then people wouldnt cluster around Motsu, but even with the lag its still the clear best situation for a lot of players. The downside is the lag of course. The upside, for one, is that there's a high-quality agent in 0.5 with no lowsec systems nearby. If you go anywhere else, you either run the risk of having to take missions in lowsec and face PvP, which some people just dont want to do, or have to run missions with a -8 quality agent in a 0.8 system and get half the isk and LP.
The second upside is really the same as the downside - namely, that everyone is in the same constellation, and so the market there is robust. That means that you dont have to take a 12 jump trip to find stuff you need, and you're pretty much guranteed to have buy offers on anything you loot, and get the best prices on loot you sell.
Frankly, I still would rather have to face the occasional lag in-system, since I mostly play late nights anyway, and keep all the benefits that come from the perfect confluence of parameters you get in Aramachi.
There's only two real viable solutions available (barring simply throwing more RAM at the constellation's hardware)....one, seed more 10+ quality L4 Kill agents throughout empire, and implement within-region NPC transport of goods sold on the market, so that you can buy and sell without having to trek into Motsu or Jita (maybe have a 5 minute per jump delay or something, but it still needs to be possible).
Or two, the more likely, nerf Aramachi and Motsu so that they're equally crappy as everywhere else :)
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.06 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: MuffinsRevenger And the rest of the people fail to comprehend that the lp store is corp spesific, meaning that those who actually have had time to reach say 450k lp probobly don't want to change corp, or even downgrade to a agent with half the quality to force you doing twice as manny missions to reach the CNR you have been working hard for months to get
Really, these dumb ideas need to stop :D
besides, just adding a few high-quality lvl4 agents and moving them out across caldari space would solve alot of the problems more or less instantly
Saila/Motsu etc have been bad for over a year now. The people complaining now are people who started running those agents when they were already known to be laggy. It's like a smoker complaining when he gets heart disease or lung cancer. There is no good reason why anyone currently running an agent in those systems is doing so..or at least they should have known and accepted the lag back when they started. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.06 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Laser Wolf The truth is that if it was just that easy, then people wouldnt cluster around Motsu, but even with the lag its still the clear best situation for a lot of players. The downside is the lag of course. The upside, for one, is that there's a high-quality agent in 0.5 with no lowsec systems nearby. If you go anywhere else, you either run the risk of having to take missions in lowsec and face PvP, which some people just dont want to do, or have to run missions with a -8 quality agent in a 0.8 system and get half the isk and LP.
So what you're saying is that despite running in the best area in the game you sheep are still not happy? Lordy - some people are never satisified -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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Laser Wolf
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Posted - 2007.08.06 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: AndrueSo what you're saying is that despite running in the best area in the game you sheep are still not happy? Lordy - some people are never satisified [:roll:
RTOP :)
I wasnt complaining about lag at all, in fact I said I know and accept its the downside of having such an awesome area to mission in. I was just asking if there was any reason Saila should be severely worse than Aramachi or Laah or Motsu, e.g., since in my experience it always lags a whole lot more there than I see in any other system in the constellation, even when other systems have more people showing in local...
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.08.06 09:04:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 06/08/2007 09:06:04 People just overestimate the effect of agent quality. You get much more than half the revenue for running lower quality agents. Lets say a typical L4 mission nets you 5000 LP, 2 million in rewards, 15 million in bounties and 5 million in loot/salvage. Assuming the base 1000 isk/LP, that is a total reward of 27 million. Now take a crap quality agent that cuts reward and LP in half, you still get 23.5 million. That is only a revenue reduction of 13%. And I know for a fact that this is more than made up for by the faster running in lag free systems.
And ever since we got the LP shop, holding out for a CNR is really not a good reason to stay in Lagtsu anymore. You can no easily cash in your LP on other stuff, BUY the CNR and move to a better system. Not to mention that like Andrue said the lag has been around so long that everyone there that moved in before the lag must have had chances to get CNR and move out a few times over.
No, people stay simply because they lack common sense. And they get what they deserve for it. Heck, even the Q18 CPF agent in Irjunen was almost unused for a looong time while people were lagging thru Lageken and later the Sailag area. Only in the past few months did people start to overcrowd that system as well. Not to mention there are PLENTY of other good lvl4 agents in Caldari space, even far from lowsec. You only have to bother looking. I wont mention the systems here as courtesy to those smart enough to be already running there, but there are even some with two decent agents in one system. Which is a far greater benefit than a better quality level.
As for Saila lagging more than the other systems, I would suspect it is because the agents in the other systems all have a tendency to give out missions that spawn in Saila ever since CCP implemented that stupid 'more missions outside the home system' nerf.
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Xaen
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.08.06 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: MuffinsRevenger besides, just adding a few high-quality lvl4 agents and moving them out across caldari space would solve alot of the problems more or less instantly
No kidding. I don't see why it's so hard. Just create a few more Lvl 4 equal quality agents in other places and watch the lag vanish.
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Mastin Dragonfly
Absolutely No Return The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.08.06 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: MuffinsRevenger besides, just adding a few high-quality lvl4 agents and moving them out across caldari space would solve alot of the problems more or less instantly
No kidding. I don't see why it's so hard. Just create a few more Lvl 4 equal quality agents in other places and watch the lag vanish.
I'd cash in my LP and move immediately.
Unfortunately, just dumping some agents randomly isn't gonna work. I work for a Q18 security agent in a 0.6 system. The most ppl I've seen in local besides me is 3. For good reason btw, the only way to get there is through 5 low sec systems. I don't mind moving out into no-man's land. What does annoy me though is that in this high sec pocket of 5-6 systems with plenty of stations there is not a single factory that I can use to make my own ammo. Closest factory is 3 jumps into low sec. If CCP wants ppl to spread out, the least they could do is make it a bit more convenient for those that are indeed willing to do so.
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Xaen
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.08.06 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: MuffinsRevenger besides, just adding a few high-quality lvl4 agents and moving them out across caldari space would solve alot of the problems more or less instantly
No kidding. I don't see why it's so hard. Just create a few more Lvl 4 equal quality agents in other places and watch the lag vanish.
I'd cash in my LP and move immediately.
Unfortunately, just dumping some agents randomly isn't gonna work. I work for a Q18 security agent in a 0.6 system. The most ppl I've seen in local besides me is 3. For good reason btw, the only way to get there is through 5 low sec systems. I don't mind moving out into no-man's land. What does annoy me though is that in this high sec pocket of 5-6 systems with plenty of stations there is not a single factory that I can use to make my own ammo. Closest factory is 3 jumps into low sec. If CCP wants ppl to spread out, the least they could do is make it a bit more convenient for those that are indeed willing to do so.
I didn't say randomly :-p ----------- Support fixing the EVE UI Drones should not aggro anything missiles or turrets do not. |
Kaptein Trefot
Calista Industries Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.06 17:05:00 -
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Can someone please tell me why ppl choose to cash in their lp in cnrs when they sell for 600m? 5 mins of serching the lp store should give you offers that would doubble or tripple your lp value.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.08.06 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kaptein Trefot Can someone please tell me why ppl choose to cash in their lp in cnrs when they sell for 600m? 5 mins of serching the lp store should give you offers that would doubble or tripple your lp value.
It is the very same reason that people run in the Saila area
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Kaptein Trefot
Calista Industries Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.06 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Kaptein Trefot on 06/08/2007 17:25:02
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Originally by: Kaptein Trefot Can someone please tell me why ppl choose to cash in their lp in cnrs when they sell for 600m? 5 mins of serching the lp store should give you offers that would doubble or tripple your lp value.
It is the very same reason that people run in the Saila area
Hehe, I rest my case!
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Chris Stormrider
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Posted - 2007.08.06 23:25:00 -
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BTW there's also the "effective quality"... but if you knew that you would have changed system already
just my 2isk
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