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annoing
Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.
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Posted - 2007.08.09 13:44:00 -
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I tell you why I ask: Ive got lvl4 in all probe skills and im training lvl5's now. I've been searching around, dropping multispectrals here there and everywhere. I'm only really interested in Radar and Magno sites, so yesterday I come across a 1 Radar and 1 Unknown in a system somewhere deep in 0.0. So I drop radar quests at every planet thats is further than 4au from each other (14 planets in total requiring 8 probes). Each probe came across at least 1 but usually 2 deadspace signatures per probe. So I thought I was picking up the usual onboard scanner DS's. So I probe just for structures (this SHOULD stop cosmic signatures from being picked up) but no, exactly the same results. So I decided to BM every deadspace and drop a can at each one just to make sure I wasnt visiting the same one twice. Each one was a new one. So I had found 14 deadspace structures in 1 system. As none of these looked like a complex (well one had a pirate gate and was surrounded by cloaking arrays so I initially I thought that might have been the radar complex.) After wasting a bucket full of time scanning via probes, I decided to visit each planet and just use the onboard scanner for cosmic signatures. Again I got exactly the same results, 14 deadspace signatures, each one with one of my cans, including the one with cloaking arrays. So warping to every planet in the system, taking 30 secs scanning time for free (no need for expensive probes requiring lots of skills and fitting a ship out with a cpu heavy probe launcher) enabled me to find out more than my multispectral probe. Do we need the skill now or just the onboard scanner?
As for the complex? Well I never did find it out (if it wasnt the cloak array place with the BS's defending) even after using another multispectral and even scanning around the sun. Wasted time? Valuable lesson? Or a pointless skill? ----------------------------------------------- perhaps you confused me with someone who actually gives a funk?
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Le Cook
Amarr Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.09 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Le Cook on 09/08/2007 14:32:47 Edited by: Le Cook on 09/08/2007 14:31:14 Well, I think exploration sucks big time because.
1. 9/10 Sites are Empty
2. Multispec Probes with a strength of 1000000 !!! can not determine the type, 50% are unknown, i mean wtf?? Did the devs ever read the probes description.
3. After finding an Unknown and droping probes on every planet we gave up after 2 hours because no result at all, but 20minutes later my bro found it after 1, one, uno, eins, scan with the onboard scanner, i just wonder what i have the skills trained for.
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Chloey Rans
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Posted - 2007.08.09 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Le Cook Edited by: Le Cook on 09/08/2007 14:32:47 Edited by: Le Cook on 09/08/2007 14:31:14
3. After finding an Unknown and droping probes on every planet we gave up after 2 hours because no result at all, but 20minutes later my bro found it after 1, one, uno, eins, scan with the onboard scanner, i just wonder what i have the skills trained for.
can't be. my theory: your first unknown hit was a real complex with a low signal strength (e.g. < 0.1), so less than 10% chance of hitting it with a quest and thus 2h of probing can happen (maybe it was even a jucy 10/10...)
than, after you stopped scanning an encounter SPAWNED in the system as it DESPAWNED somewhere else. These have a high signal strength and can be found with the onboeard scanner. I bet your initial unkown is still there.
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Erikel
Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.08.09 15:46:00 -
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Here's a tip that should help. Unknown sites have a much higher signal strength especially the new ones found with the onboard scanner. The radar and Mag sites will have a signal strengths around 0.1 maybe a bit higher to 0.4 and even lower sometimes compared to up to 20 or so for the sites that can be found with onboard scanners.
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pandymen
Caldari Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.08.09 17:48:00 -
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Also annoing, you mentioned that you used 1 probe for planets closer than 4 AU together. You also most likely had some blind spots in your scanning, and you probably need to either get probes to the uncovered areas using safespots, or you can scan multiple times, switching which close planets get covered.
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annoing
Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.
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Posted - 2007.08.09 18:56:00 -
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Well what I did was this: I went back with a hold full of radar quests and dropped one at EVERY planet over an hour or so, destroying some as I laid others. I scanned from each probe 3 times but still no luck. Must admit, by the end I was fed up with it ----------------------------------------------- perhaps you confused me with someone who actually gives a funk?
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.09 19:46:00 -
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Scanning for structures does absolutely nothing as far as the probes are concerned. Everything is a cosmic signature.
I couldn't read any more than that, paragraphs are your friend.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.08.09 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: annoing Well what I did was this: I went back with a hold full of radar quests and dropped one at EVERY planet over an hour or so, destroying some as I laid others. I scanned from each probe 3 times but still no luck. Must admit, by the end I was fed up with it
It sounds like you weren't very systematic about it. Ideally you need to make sure every bit of the 4au sphere around each planet is at least covered by one probe's range. In most systems this requires making scanspots to get all the inner planets. Alternately you can just do multiple scans if you're careful to cover the points you missed, but this will take a lot more time, and you'll lose out on some multiple probe coverages.
I'm just getting into exploration, but I'm finding a lot of pleasure in figuring out how to get really nice system coverages. Each system is a little puzzle, and there's more craft to it than most things in EVE, especially in PvE. It is time consuming though, and probably not for everybody. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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max bygraves
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Posted - 2007.08.09 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Le Cook Edited by: Le Cook on 09/08/2007 14:32:47 Edited by: Le Cook on 09/08/2007 14:31:14 Well, I think exploration sucks big time because.
1. 9/10 Sites are Empty
2. Multispec Probes with a strength of 1000000 !!! can not determine the type, 50% are unknown, i mean wtf?? Did the devs ever read the probes description.
3. After finding an Unknown and droping probes on every planet we gave up after 2 hours because no result at all, but 20minutes later my bro found it after 1, one, uno, eins, scan with the onboard scanner, i just wonder what i have the skills trained for.
Try reading about explorattioj before you try it m8
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Krytie
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Posted - 2007.08.09 23:59:00 -
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I do exploration a lot. After the upgrades, there are a lot more to be had than before. I love exploration sites. After the upgrades, my scan times have been much quicker than before.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.10 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tsanse Kinske I'm just getting into exploration, but I'm finding a lot of pleasure in figuring out how to get really nice system coverages. Each system is a little puzzle, and there's more craft to it than most things in EVE, especially in PvE. It is time consuming though, and probably not for everybody.
Plus, we have a nice little channel
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Boknamar
Gallente The Knights Trevor
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Posted - 2007.08.10 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt Plus, we have a nice little channel
Yeah, I explore solo, but I'm never alone
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Sunaria
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Posted - 2007.08.10 05:37:00 -
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you're right exploration isn't worthfull doing , I only got 4 bil out of it since rev 2. TOTALLY waste of time. I suggest you give up on exploration.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.10 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: annoing Well what I did was this: I went back with a hold full of radar quests and dropped one at EVERY planet over an hour or so, destroying some as I laid others. I scanned from each probe 3 times but still no luck. Must admit, by the end I was fed up with it
"scanned from each probe 3 times"
To make it clear, you need lot of patience. I have scanned 7 hours to find a site, after a friend had scanned it of another 3 hours without success.
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Le Cook
Amarr Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.10 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: max bygraves
Originally by: Le Cook Edited by: Le Cook on 09/08/2007 14:32:47 Edited by: Le Cook on 09/08/2007 14:31:14 Well, I think exploration sucks big time because.
1. 9/10 Sites are Empty
2. Multispec Probes with a strength of 1000000 !!! can not determine the type, 50% are unknown, i mean wtf?? Did the devs ever read the probes description.
3. After finding an Unknown and droping probes on every planet we gave up after 2 hours because no result at all, but 20minutes later my bro found it after 1, one, uno, eins, scan with the onboard scanner, i just wonder what i have the skills trained for.
Try reading about explorattioj before you try it m8
Which description do u mean, the one which says i have to trigger the spawns at Empty Sites ? I read the whole thing, dude, all about the ranges, the probetypes, the skills, the sitetypes, and i made my researches on it just a few days after they where introduced.
I know ccp alleges they are have been fixed with some new patches, but i dont want to find out, i dont believe them anymore.
I remeber the patch where they "fixed" the despawning and triggering, and i gave it another try, found a site only structures there, tried to trigger it, nothing happend , and the site was there for about 2 weeks, completly empty ( i checked it every time i was in this sys.
Of course this was about a month ago, so i would be happy if u can proof me wrong now.
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Le Cook
Amarr Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.10 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sunaria you're right exploration isn't worthfull doing , I only got 4 bil out of it since rev 2. TOTALLY waste of time. I suggest you give up on exploration.
wow, grats, i bet u found it easily as well and soloed it of course.
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annoing
Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.
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Posted - 2007.08.10 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: annoing on 10/08/2007 10:24:28
Originally by: Sunaria you're right exploration isn't worthfull doing , I only got 4 bil out of it since rev 2. TOTALLY waste of time. I suggest you give up on exploration.
You know, you're right. Well, maybe
After realising I was trying to do this without thinking, I tried again but this time used my little brain. This time I found the site, got a few corpies along for the ride, killed the 6 spawns, hacked the site and took away a significant amount of loot including bp's. Total isk earned (including rat rewards) is just under 300mil. Shame I found archelogical site in the next system which we will tackle tonite :)
I apologise for being a numpty in my original post, I was a little frustrated at not being able to find the complex but now ive found it and earned the reward, I agree, exploration is a great little earner ----------------------------------------------- perhaps you confused me with someone who actually gives a funk?
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.08.10 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Le Cook Edited by: Le Cook on 10/08/2007 09:41:30
Originally by: Sunaria you're right exploration isn't worthfull doing , I only got 4 bil out of it since rev 2. TOTALLY waste of time. I suggest you give up on exploration.
wow, grats, i bet u found it easily as well and soloed it of course.
Can u give the community some details on how u did that, what type, region ?
I got about the same as he, radar and mag sites in venal. Depends if you want to call it solo, I dual account, one char in covert ops with probes and code breakers etc and one in a raven or Cerberus to kill the rats. Moved out now but before I moved out I made around 3-4b. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Great Artista
Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.10 11:27:00 -
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Yeah, I havent done much exploration, but as I live in deep 0.0 (branch, tenal) the sites are allmost allways ready to be completed. I have only done those unknown signatures, but so far they have not been too rewarding. Belt ratting gives more money.
What about those complexes like 10/10's... Is it possible to find those with the on-board scanner, or do I have to launch probes? _______
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.08.10 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Great Artista
What about those complexes like 10/10's... Is it possible to find those with the on-board scanner, or do I have to launch probes?
Probes, well if you are VERY lucky you could find it with the onboard scanner but we are talking around 0.001% per scan assuming you are at the right planet in the first place. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
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annoing
Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.
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Posted - 2007.08.10 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Great Artista
What about those complexes like 10/10's... Is it possible to find those with the on-board scanner, or do I have to launch probes?
Probes, well if you are VERY lucky you could find it with the onboard scanner but we are talking around 0.001% per scan assuming you are at the right planet in the first place.
Ive found a complex with datacore and cpu banks while onboard scanning during a belt ratting session so its possible to find nice ones. The total reward was just under 100mil (skill book and interface bpc's and building blocks etc) which is why I started exploration this week
Not had to bad a result so far ----------------------------------------------- perhaps you confused me with someone who actually gives a funk?
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.08.10 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: annoing
Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Great Artista
What about those complexes like 10/10's... Is it possible to find those with the on-board scanner, or do I have to launch probes?
Probes, well if you are VERY lucky you could find it with the onboard scanner but we are talking around 0.001% per scan assuming you are at the right planet in the first place.
Ive found a complex with datacore and cpu banks while onboard scanning during a belt ratting session so its possible to find nice ones. The total reward was just under 100mil (skill book and interface bpc's and building blocks etc) which is why I started exploration this week
Not had to bad a result so far
That's not a complex, it's a Radar (Hacking Profession) site. While still hard to find with onboard scanner it can depending on its base level be 20 times easier to find than a 10/10 complex. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
annoing
Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.
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Posted - 2007.08.10 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi That's not a complex, it's a Radar (Hacking Profession) site. While still hard to find with onboard scanner it can depending on its base level be 20 times easier to find than a 10/10 complex.
Well im a noob, I didnt know what to call it ----------------------------------------------- perhaps you confused me with someone who actually gives a funk?
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Sunaria
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Posted - 2007.08.10 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Le Cook Edited by: Le Cook on 10/08/2007 09:41:30
Originally by: Sunaria you're right exploration isn't worthfull doing , I only got 4 bil out of it since rev 2. TOTALLY waste of time. I suggest you give up on exploration.
wow, grats, i bet u found it easily as well and soloed it of course.
Can u give the community some details on how u did that, what type, region ?
lol appearently sarcasm is a bit lost on you :)
well last time we found a drone plex , hiearchy type. We ran it had 5 escalations (which is the max btw) and ran off with 800 mil worth in T2 rig parts OFFCOURSE you do NOT solo plex's they are meant to be fun and run with friends. We each walked off with about 133 mil. Now suppose you can do 3 of these pro week... don't you think I would approach the 4 bil ?
I just posted that sarcasm post to make a point :)
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max bygraves
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Posted - 2007.08.10 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sunaria
Originally by: Le Cook Edited by: Le Cook on 10/08/2007 09:41:30
Originally by: Sunaria you're right exploration isn't worthfull doing , I only got 4 bil out of it since rev 2. TOTALLY waste of time. I suggest you give up on exploration.
wow, grats, i bet u found it easily as well and soloed it of course.
Can u give the community some details on how u did that, what type, region ?
lol appearently sarcasm is a bit lost on you :)
well last time we found a drone plex , hiearchy type. We ran it had 5 escalations (which is the max btw) and ran off with 800 mil worth in T2 rig parts OFFCOURSE you do NOT solo plex's they are meant to be fun and run with friends. We each walked off with about 133 mil. Now suppose you can do 3 of these pro week... don't you think I would approach the 4 bil ?
I just posted that sarcasm post to make a point :)
you can solo lots of hacking and archealogy sites and make hundreds of millions.
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Sunaria
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Posted - 2007.08.10 16:50:00 -
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hehe and where is the fun in that sure you make millions, but you do not escalate deep into enemy territory. You do not get almost instapopped in the last room etc... Making easy money is fun ... untill you have plenty of isk you want a challenge :p
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.10 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: max bygraves
Originally by: Sunaria
Originally by: Le Cook Edited by: Le Cook on 10/08/2007 09:41:30
Originally by: Sunaria you're right exploration isn't worthfull doing , I only got 4 bil out of it since rev 2. TOTALLY waste of time. I suggest you give up on exploration.
wow, grats, i bet u found it easily as well and soloed it of course.
Can u give the community some details on how u did that, what type, region ?
lol appearently sarcasm is a bit lost on you :)
well last time we found a drone plex , hiearchy type. We ran it had 5 escalations (which is the max btw) and ran off with 800 mil worth in T2 rig parts OFFCOURSE you do NOT solo plex's they are meant to be fun and run with friends. We each walked off with about 133 mil. Now suppose you can do 3 of these pro week... don't you think I would approach the 4 bil ?
I just posted that sarcasm post to make a point :)
you can solo lots of hacking and archealogy sites and make hundreds of millions.
Yea, I've never seen a Profession site you couldn't do in a BC.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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