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Darlithor
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Posted - 2007.08.12 20:26:00 -
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I'm quitting again, for the 4th time now. I've been playing off and on since 2004. Each time, my friend and I mine and mine and mine and mine and mine untill we are about to quit.. Then we get just enough to equip ourselves with battle cruisers or a nice cruiser. We kept to .5 space for mining. But we know to get anywhere we need to go to lower sectors. However I've traveled the entire fricking empire space back and forth like 10 times looking for an entrance to low sec space that doesn't get me blown up the instance I jump in. To no avail.
I've gotten warp scrambled and webbefied so many times I finally equiped my brand spanking new Battle Cruiser with 3! Yes 3 Warp Stabilizers (effectively killing my targeting range) JUST TO TRY AND GET INTO LOW SEC!. But nope.. I warp into the only sector that seems to have the least people in space (4). And still get instantly blown to bits and warp restricted..
I simply cannot believe these people in the forums that are all like (yeah on my 2nd day I started living in 0.0 space). I call BS.. How do you make money in 0.0 space when you still have zero chance of getting away from npc rats with warp jammers? What do you DO? To make money in 0.0 space on your second day?
Not to mention how the hell did you get there in the first place. EVERY ENTRANCE IS CAMPED!
I really want this game to work, but when you spend months mining enough ore to buy a ship to try and get to 0.0 with and only have it blown the eff up in 2 seconds and no chance of getting away... Welll that sucks beyond any other mmo I've played.
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Ess Erbe
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Posted - 2007.08.12 20:47:00 -
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They join a corporation that controls 0.0 space.
I know of several 0.0 entrances that are only sporadically camped, and frankly the only lowsec system I've seen having a camp so far has been Rancer.
Also, months for a battlecruiser? The tier 1 battlecruisers cost like 18-22 million. Stop mining, learn salvaging, do some missions, sell the loot and salvage. I'm only on lvl 3 missions, but yesterday I did six of them and got average loot and salvage, which netted me 20 million or so complete with bounties, rewards and loot + salvage. Had I gotten lucky I could have gotten 20 mil just from salvaging and looting.
Missions are a rookie's best friend unless in a player corp, nothing else. Mining is good if you're dedicating your character to it, otherwise it's only a sidejob for when you need to wind down or something.
But seriously, try to find a corporation to join to see another aspect of EVE.
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Darlithor
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Posted - 2007.08.12 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ess Erbe They join a corporation that controls 0.0 space.
I know of several 0.0 entrances that are only sporadically camped, and frankly the only lowsec system I've seen having a camp so far has been Rancer.
Also, months for a battlecruiser? The tier 1 battlecruisers cost like 18-22 million. Stop mining, learn salvaging, do some missions, sell the loot and salvage. I'm only on lvl 3 missions, but yesterday I did six of them and got average loot and salvage, which netted me 20 million or so complete with bounties, rewards and loot + salvage. Had I gotten lucky I could have gotten 20 mil just from salvaging and looting.
Missions are a rookie's best friend unless in a player corp, nothing else. Mining is good if you're dedicating your character to it, otherwise it's only a sidejob for when you need to wind down or something.
But seriously, try to find a corporation to join to see another aspect of EVE.
We have a mining barge with 3 strip miners, and the best ore in .5 we can find is Kernite. We'll mine for maybe 2 hours before we are bored to tears and make maybe 3mil off the minerals. We'd take it into lower sectors, but can't seem to find one without being nailed at a jump gate.
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.12 21:05:00 -
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Some thoughts:
1. Learn to use the map (F10). On your course to lowsec, check for statistics such as ships in space, ships and pods destroyed recently and so on. Too much of any of these things is a bad sign. Another one to look for is jumps in the last hour - the busier routes are generally more likely to be camped.
2. Don't feel as if you have to get your ship put together in high-sec then try and bring it to low-sec. You could always just fly a shuttle into low-sec and buy the gear you need from there. Admittedly you'll be paying a bit more for it, but the choice is yours.
3. The hours leading up to downtime are generally the quietest for the game. The law of averages suggest that with fewer people overall, there will be fewer camps operating. If it's not too inconvenient for you, you can try sneaking in then.
4. Bring your friend in a shuttle to scout ahead of you. Shuttles and fast frigs enter warp very quickly indeed and are effective scout ships for low-sec operations. It's quite possible that your battlecruiser was destroyed without even being scrambled just because it takes a few moments for it to align.
As for people getting into 0.0 early, yes it happens a lot. Who you know is just as important as what you know. Find a decent corp - make friends and influence people, and you'll be set.
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Ess Erbe
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Posted - 2007.08.12 21:09:00 -
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If you're mining barge certified you could certainly find a corporation, no problem.
Also, have you tried container mining? One of you mines and dumps all the ore in a container, one of you picks it up in an industrial and deposits it in a station. Should increase your mining output by not making breaks in the mining operation to deposit ore.
I had assets worth over 50 million ISK before my 14-day trial was over, thanks to salvaging. Another way of gathering resources, but less tiresome than owning rocks, in my opinion.
However, in a corporation your rock-owning could lead to the corp's manufacturers creating cruisers and battlecruisers out of your ores.
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Gojyu
Gallente Ever Flow FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.12 21:15:00 -
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I simply cannot believe these people in the forums that are all like (yeah on my 2nd day I started living in 0.0 space). I call BS.. How do you make money in 0.0 space when you still have zero chance of getting away from npc rats with warp jammers? What do you DO? To make money in 0.0 space on your second day?
NPC Rats with warp jammers are as rare as hen's teeth. I think I've had to kill 2 in the month and a half I've been ratting in 0.0. That's exactly what you do- kill them. A new player in 0.0 also tends to be able to afford pimped out ships fairly quick mining prime arkanor.
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Not to mention how the hell did you get there in the first place. EVERY ENTRANCE IS CAMPED!
You think lowsec is bad? In my section of 0.0, there are TWO entrances, most of which constantly camped. All you've got to do is know what system it is, and if your ship isn't built to escape a camp, travel down the pipe, and log off on the other side of the known camped gate- go through it the second downtime finishes.
Also, you can play the game perfectly well in empire space, sure, it's a hell of a lot more boring, but you don't stand the chance of getting blown up as much.
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Umit Davala
Corpus PCG The State
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Posted - 2007.08.12 21:18:00 -
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As was said above, mining isn't great unless you have a dedicated miner char (or are in a mining Corp). While missions are evil, they are a necessary evil when new and should make you decent amount of money.
As for lowsec... You shouldn't have many problems with getting into lowsec unless you are really, really unlucky. Are you taking precautions before attempting to enter? I.e, check the map and more specifically, number of pilots in space and ships/pods destroyed in the last hour. I would advise NOT to fit stabs. You say you were in a BC - if you do jump into a camp, aim straight for the gate you just came in and hit your MWDs. With any luck you can jump out before your ship is destroyed.
As for 0.0... It is a lot harder to get in, but with a little research and timing its entirly possible. Just yesterday I was trying to reach an area in Syndicate, the 'main' route was camped all day, but by checking the map, I could see that just 11 jumps away there was another route, completely empty and uncamped. So voila, I was in no probs, in nothing scarier than a Punisher. It is possible, but you can't just pile in and hope for the best. As for the NPCs with warp jammers, well, just kill them first :)
I would suggest, doing a few missions and getting some money together, then go to lowsec in cheap Frigates and get a feel for how things work PvP. If you lose a ship, itsno great loss it cost you what, 500k, but you will have learnt an awful lot :)
Hope that helps, and maybe persuades you to give it a, erm... 5th chance!
Convo or mail me in game and ill try and help if you like.
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Vincenzo Delloro
Amarr Lux et Veritas
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Posted - 2007.08.12 21:20:00 -
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The lowsec gates from Amarr space are rarely camped.
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Synical Light
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Posted - 2007.08.12 23:28:00 -
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Ok, heres my 2cents,
Just join a .0 corp, they'll be able to get you into 0.0 space. For example, the corp I joined (which ironically fell apart about a month ago...) was able to get me, in a dessie into 0.0 space without a single hassle.
Bu seriously, don't give up that easily.
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr UK Corp FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.12 23:33:00 -
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- Start understanding that you need teamwork - stop thinking that bringing bigger ships into low sec is a good idea - start reading up on tricks and tips to stay alive - join a proper corp
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Shari Vegas
Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2007.08.12 23:58:00 -
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It's not that hard to make ISK.
I had a wallet of 1.2b within about 2 months of starting.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler I have no clue.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.13 00:27:00 -
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ProjectUnknown
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Posted - 2007.08.13 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Shari Vegas It's not that hard to make ISK.
I had a wallet of 1.2b within about 2 months of starting.
right
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Gojyu
Gallente Ever Flow FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.13 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: ProjectUnknown
Originally by: Shari Vegas It's not that hard to make ISK.
I had a wallet of 1.2b within about 2 months of starting.
right
Nope, that's easily doable. I've only been playing 2months and if I hadn't bought a gtc for one of those months with isk, I'd be at 1b easily. 1.2 would be child's play for a more dedicated grinder
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Vincenzo Delloro
Amarr Lux et Veritas
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Posted - 2007.08.13 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: ProjectUnknown
Originally by: Shari Vegas It's not that hard to make ISK.
I had a wallet of 1.2b within about 2 months of starting.
right
I hear there's a big demand for in-game cyb0ring in Gallente space, so 600 million isk per month might be doable, providing you like the taste of e-peen.
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Vele Nori
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.13 02:10:00 -
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I see 3 problems here
1) Mining - mining sucks as far as all money making activities go in EVE, boring and low profit, even mission running is like a bit more exciting. People mine when they actually do not want to play the game much. They do it semi-akf, watching TV, chatting on TS/Vent with others, not really playing the game because it is a boring and tedious activity. 2) Why do you keep on jumping into low sec or 0.0 space in a fitted ship without a scout ahead of you? Why bring a battlecruiser and not a cheap frigate? You have 3 character slots two of which can be used to scout alts in noobships. Make an alt, jump it ahead of you, lose nothing if it dies. You have a map to use. You have all the tools to not get into gate camps, yet you do not use them for some reason. 3) Three warp core stabilizers. This isn't going to help you and it is easy to figure out why. Look at how many low slots most haulers have. Most of them have 2 or 3 low slots (amarr ones have 4). Now if you were conducting a gate camp, how many warp disrution points would you want to have along with you in a gang? The answer is more than 3, or preferably more than 4, to catch all of those stabbed-up haulers. And you just took your battlecruiser and turned it into one of those silly stabbed-up haulers the gate campers fit specifically to catch. In 0.0 space warp core stabilizers will fail to help you if you get into a warp bubble. A scout is your #1 defense against gate camps anywhere.
So i think your problems come from the fact that your knowledge about the game is very limited. I suggest you join a player run alliance or corp, get out and do something else but mining for a change.
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.13 02:59:00 -
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Get a frigate, and head out into lowsec for a little while. As long as you don't do anything foolish, like going AFK, or watching someone shoot your ship, you'll be fine as long as your clone is up to date and the ship is insured.
Get used to traveling in and out of lowsec with a fast, hard to shoot frigate, and then when you feel comfortable doing that and living in lowsec, step it up a class or two to destroyers or cruisers, and so on.
Also, mining sucks your soul from your body .
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pandymen
Caldari Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.08.13 03:32:00 -
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Well, I'm not going to comment on mining sucking your soul from you; however, I have to question how you are only making 3 mil in 2 hours mining kernite. I mine in an osprey and can make at least 3 mil/hour mining scordite/whatever. You may want to double check where you are selling your ore...you can probably get better prices. You also may want to consider looking at scordite, which is pretty profitable, and more plentiful unless you find a good spot.
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kazikhan
Gallente Aesir Exitus
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Posted - 2007.08.13 03:58:00 -
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Edited by: kazikhan on 13/08/2007 03:58:19 If you take the time to look at your map you can easily find a path into 0.0 that bypasses gatecamps. I've been using my alt in a Vigil to poke around in Providence, Catch, and Stain, and I've only hit 10 or 15 big gatecamps. I ran all but 1 of those, and the last I got popped at. If you're careful and don't rush it, it's not too bad. If you dedicate a few hours to just looking around and exploring, you can easily find a pocket of space that is quiet and suits your needs, be they mining, ratting, whatever.
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.13 05:40:00 -
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Don't take any more BC's into lowsec for now.
Use cheap frigates.
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Verona Mal
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:47:00 -
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Another tip: stay alert in low sec, especially 0.5 -> 0.4 gates. If you do screw up and jump into a gate camp remember that 1) you're cloaked when you jump so you have a moment to breathe and 2) speed counts more than anything else. I'm not talking about your ship's speed, I'm talking about your speed. Quickly find a spot to warp to and go there. Don't come back to that gate anytime soon. If you happen to warp into a gate camp, do your best to jump the second you leave warp. Remember, speed counts. If you're mining/missioning in low sec and you see anything you don't recognize appear on your overview, move out of that area immediately. You should be aligned to a safe spot as soon as you've warped into your mine/mission area anyway. Did I mention speed counts? Pirates lag too. The difference is that they expect to find you so you should expect to be found every moment while you're in low sec and act accordingly. Severe paranoia is a very useful trait in EVE. Anyway stick with it! It sucks being new at anything, but you'll get the hang of it if you keep trying and learn from your mistakes.
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Temnozor
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Posted - 2007.08.13 14:17:00 -
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I'm in and out of low sec all the time, have never run across a gate camp, in fact I have never even ran into someone who wasn't one of my alts in low sec and I'm in low sec on a semi-daily basis.
You just haven't figured out how to scout and until you start playing smart you will find yourself blown up a lot.
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L0st S0ul
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.13 14:26:00 -
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To the OP
Have you not tried cloaking ships in order to get in ?
I understand your best off in a tanked BS in low sec or a super fast frigate like a crow. -----------------------------------------------
Come on you apes, you wanna live forever?
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Shiodome
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Posted - 2007.08.13 15:18:00 -
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to the OP
in all honesty doesn't look like EvE is for you, it's not a game where if you do something and it fails... you carry on doing the same thing until it succeeds. 'think and adapt', if you want a game that doesn't require much thought look for something else (and there's nothing wrong with this, there's a few games i play just to 'switch off').
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Durn Loze
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Posted - 2007.08.13 16:09:00 -
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A lot of good advice here use it.
But number 1, stop doing what you find boring, namely mining, and start doing what you find fun.
Get a fast cheap frigate, jump into lowsec/null space and look for a fight. Expect to die, but learn from your mistake and do it again and again. I assure you that you will have more fun than mining until you can afford a BC. And you will learn about how to survive in lowsec/null space without wasting hours and days mining to afford a BC. Then when you get your next BC you will be more likely to keep it.
Durn
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Aziz Hekato
Minmatar Hekato-Matari Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.08.13 18:13:00 -
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I fly in and out of lowsec all the time without meeting any sort of camps.
Allthough it would be useless for me to give you the name of the system becouse I would just ransom or kill you whenever I saw you there :)
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Vladimir Ilych
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:22:00 -
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Darlithor, you are doing something wrong.
Join a corp. Do some missions. Do some exploration. Salvage and build rigs. Pirate in tech 1 frigates. Even if you die it would be fun and you would learn new stuff. Just please PLEASE stop mining.
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Hexxx
Minmatar ironwood ink
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:42:00 -
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I've been playing for just about 2 years now. I'm the CEO of a Corp that is just now leaving 0.0 for a vacation in low-sec. (yes, low sec is a vacation for us).
Listen to me carefully. -------------------------------------------------------
STOP. MINING. NOW.
Mining is one of the least profitable things you can do with you time. By SHEER COINCIDENCE it's also the easiest.
I can make millions a day with almost no effort by trading player ship and modules on the market using buy and sell orders. I don't haul a god damn thing and I could do it in a station and docked 100% of the time. It takes a bit of knowledge (like, uh, buy low, sell high?) but it's pretty straight forward. Visit the market forums for advice and info.
You can make quite a bit running missions as well. GREAT money in fact.
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Finally, and this is really important, join a decent frickin' Corp!!!!
A month back we had a 2 week old newbie character join us. Within 24 hours he was in a gang fighting a Mothership during an attempted POS takedown (which we failed, ouch!). He even assisted in a kill or two!
You have an open invitation to contact me and we'll gladly take you into my Corp, the one condition is that you be willing to learn how to fight.
Hexxx LLP - Business Consulting Services - IPO's, Business Plans, Share/Stock Pricing, and general Consulting.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: ProjectUnknown
Originally by: Shari Vegas It's not that hard to make ISK.
I had a wallet of 1.2b within about 2 months of starting.
right
I had roughly the same, its quite possible.
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Modrak Vseth
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: ProjectUnknown
Originally by: Shari Vegas It's not that hard to make ISK.
I had a wallet of 1.2b within about 2 months of starting.
right
I had roughly the same, its quite possible.
I've been playing for about a month and a half and I have ~16M ISK. I probably could have more then 1B by now, BUT, and this is a big "but" here, I've lost a few cruisers, more frigates then I care to count, along with the fittings to go along with them. Also, I've spent more time running around in lowsec practicing hunting and fighting then running missions or ratting. It's a tradeoff. You can save your money for months to have the SP and ISK to fly that nice BC, but once you step into a PvP situation, without the required experience and practice, you're going to lose it. Replacing that BC is going to HURT. You're really nothing more then a PvP rookie in an expensive ship at that point.
Case in point: last week I came across another pilot in lowsec that was ratting in a Rupture. I was flying a Rifter. He was only a few days older then me. I was able to pin him down and rip through his shields and armor as if he were flying a rookie ship. The only reason he got away was because I ran out of cap and couldn't keep my scram running 100% of the time. Shortly after that though I was able to pin him down and take out his industrial with ease. He may be making nice ISKies ratting out there, but the next time I see him, he WILL lose that Rupture or pay a reasonable ransom to keep it. I learned how he was fitted in that fight and know how to fit next time to take him out quicker so I can conserve my cap, while he'll probably still be fitted the exact same way because it maximizes his ship vs the rats.
So, to the point... I may not be rich, but I'm having a hell of a lot of fun. That's what's really important to me. T1 frigs FTW! signature removed - please resize it to be less than 120 pixels in height - Jacques([email protected]) |
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