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marakor
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Posted - 2007.08.13 12:20:00 -
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If you look at the patches that have been put in place and that they intend to bring in it seems to me that ccp seem to be against high SP and long term players having an advantage over a low sp players.
The newest patches have even allowed the ultimate anti-blob ship the titan to be all but useless unless you wish to lose it after a single shot. Alliances with a titan should be considered like a country with nukes not every country has them but the way i see it is that a large alliance that has gone to a lot of effort to recruit good ppl with high sp and build these super capitals should have the advantages they bring.
Eve has gone from a game that needed time and skill to actualy achieve somthing awsome like taking a system to a blob vs blob non-skill related laggy shoot em up.
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Posted - 2007.08.13 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 13/08/2007 12:35:24
Originally by: Katashi I****uka Because Doomsday + Cyno was the epitome of skill in EVE.
The ability to even build a titan let alone keep it defended while it cooks is or was part of the challenge eve put against those who tried to do it. So i agree that clicking the DDD button is hardly a great tactical feat but the ability to be in the position to click the button without a doubt is.
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kirah Ovai
Originally by: marakor If you look at the patches that have been put in place and that they intend to bring in it seems to me that ccp seem to be against high SP and long term players having an advantage over a low sp players.
The newest patches have even allowed the ultimate anti-blob ship the titan to be all but useless unless you wish to lose it after a single shot. Alliances with a titan should be considered like a country with nukes not every country has them but the way i see it is that a large alliance that has gone to a lot of effort to recruit good ppl with high sp and build these super capitals should have the advantages they bring.
Eve has gone from a game that needed time and skill to actualy achieve somthing awsome like taking a system to a blob vs blob non-skill related laggy shoot em up.
I agree, I would even go so far to say Titans and Motherships weren't quite powerful enough as they were before the patch. Every time one of those behemoths enters a system everyone red to the pilot with, let's say, less then 30 mil SP should die instantaniously.
This would have given the veteran players (the only ones who could ever legitimately claim to have 'skill') the edge over the unwashed masses. Alas! CCP seems to be out to get you.
Oh well theres always one who is looking for somthing to vent a bit of frustration on congratulations btw.
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 13/08/2007 13:29:11
Originally by: NAFnist
Originally by: Dark Shikari EVE is the only MMORPG I know of where 10 "low-level" players can go and kill a "high-level" player.
And this is a very, very good thing.
I totally agree.
Anti-blob implements is just not working as well as one could hope.
I cannot say i total disagree with the pricipal behind that idea of 10 beating 1 depending on ship type of course. After all 10 drunk skinheads kicking the hell out of a pro boxer by sheer weight of numbers is a easy to believe circumstance.
Unfortunatly that leads untimatly to a mega blob nap or alliance overpowering everybody and i hate that idea with a passion.
Id say bring back the old DDD to stop that from happening cos its not like titans were unkillable before the nerf.
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Posted - 2007.08.13 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 13/08/2007 15:00:13
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: marakor Unfortunatly that leads untimatly to a mega blob nap or alliance overpowering everybody and i hate that idea with a passion.
Id say bring back the old DDD to stop that from happening cos its not like titans were unkillable before the nerf.
Remind me how many titans Bob killed when it's pilot was logged on?
You also seem to think that only low-sp players blob. That is completely wrong. You might want to look at EC-P8R's history.
Seems to me that they had to have been logged on at one point for bob to have been able to get them so it comes down to planning and black ops to kill one instead of spamming blobs at them.
There are always points for and points against and perhaps there is no perfect solution but i feel that a country/alliance without nuke capability should never be able to beat a country with nukes so it makes the lesser countries/alliances improve instead of just recruit.
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Posted - 2007.08.13 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: fightnkill Can't say that some alliances like GS are "New players"
A lot of GS pilots are better skilled in terms of PVP compared to most BoB pilots.
Anyways, it may seem that nowadays CCP is favoring new players because CCP isn't giving old schoolers the advantages they need to kill 10x their number lol.
Titan for instance is still the anti-blobbing machine. It can kill mass-loads of newbs yup. But some alliances will be reluctant to use it against "Newbs" with a huge fleet of Capital ships.
I agree with you to a point but the fact is that stoping the titans remote DDD, adding the timer for jumping and making bombs that do not explode if you are not watching them/on grid have both made a huge contribution to the blob mentality that is now screwing with eve.
I agree that depending on ship types that 10 or even fewer new players should be able to kill a older player or it would be to unrealistic but by screwing with the titan and making stupid bombs that miss you so much after you have dropped them that they do not blow up if they cannot see you has favored the blob way to much.
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Posted - 2007.08.13 17:26:00 -
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Also take into account that with the new sov issues and cyno jammers that totaly encorage the use of conventional ship blobs i just feel ccp should have fixed the lag first.
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marakor
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 13/08/2007 19:15:05
Originally by: Royaldo im laughing at the op and the other bob whiners.
Id rather ppl had interesting and intelligent input than turn this into a anti goon or bob thread and tbh neither of those two alliances are high on my xmas card list.
Nice to see a lot of good opinions and ideas on both sides and from both sides of the fight though.
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Posted - 2007.08.20 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Avalloc Why do people keep leaving out the fact BoB got themselves into this bind. If you don't want multiple Alliances rallying to destroy you then maybe your Diplomats should work a little harder. Each and every pilot that plays the game pays to do so, and that means they deserve a fair shake whether they have a few million skill points or 50 million.
Stop crying about 'low skilled blobs' because if you look closer there are TCF, Snigg, RA, AAA, IAC, KOS, and Goonswarm in there who have 30m+ skill points each in the fight.
Why have goons hijacked this thread it was never my intention to piont a finger at either bob or goon as im not particularly enamoured of either of you.
My intention was to point out that game is broken simply because it cannot handle the load a 200 vs 200 or larger fleet battle put upon it it cannot handle 50 vs 50 most days.
Yes goons are gonna be pro titan nerf and pro blob lag because it suits your blob mentality and bob are gonna be against it for there own reasons.
But the fact remains that without fixing the game before making changes that encourage low sp recruitment and blobing ccp are ruining the whole experiance for a lot of ppl including the new players who have to rat there asses off just to get in a ship look at a frozen screen for 20 mins, crash and wake up in a clone vat.
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Posted - 2007.08.20 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jane Spondogolo
The Titan wasn't nerfed because of OMG WHINING NUBS. ASCN where not "NUBS" , Neither where D2. Both of them where murdered by single player piloted Titans. It was nerfed because it was a danger to eves survival as a viable long term game. You only need to look at Star Wars Galaxies (Combat upgrade) to see what happens when you leave that sort of brokenness un fixed. The game dies.
Im sure i read on this forum about more than one titan being popped before the nerf so perhaps i should ask a rep from these murdered aliances who's were killed?.
Also im very sure eve has lost considerably more players to lag than it ever will to a titan and will proly continue to do so.
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marakor
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Posted - 2007.08.20 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jane Spondogolo
The Titan wasn't nerfed because of OMG WHINING NUBS. ASCN where not "NUBS" , Neither where D2. Both of them where murdered by single player piloted Titans. It was nerfed because it was a danger to eves survival as a viable long term game. You only need to look at Star Wars Galaxies (Combat upgrade) to see what happens when you leave that sort of brokenness un fixed. The game dies.
As i have said im not a molle alt a pro bob or goon for that matter as i have mentioned im not particularly keen on either of you and im actualy in a alliance thats hostile to you both and the only reason goons keep calling me a fan of bob is because the blob and titan nerf have favored your alliance.
And secondly its not like titans could'nt be killed before the nerf im sure if you ask both these "murdered alliances" as you call them they can tell you about it.
And lets face it more new players and old will quit eve due to lag and the game being unplayable than to a titan.
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Posted - 2007.08.20 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kaldaine
Neither of the titans killed pre-nerf would have been killed in the present game.
Why not considering everybody says its a lot easier to kill titans now?.
Originally by: Kaldaine
To believe that Goonswarm is the inventor of the blob is just ignorant.
Your right i would be ignorant if i did that so please show me where i claim goons to be the inventor of it and il change it with a full retraction.
What you seem to be missing is that breaking the game and making it unplayable will lose more players than a DDD ever will.
Maybe not you but how many new players want to look at a frozed screen unable to do anything until they crash or wake up in a clone vat.
Personaly id rather try to out think and out manouver the titans DDD (even if its possable or not) and have that hope or even a spare ship while it recharges than know for a fact that the game is gonna break and id be stuck watching a frozen screen.
Perhaps extending the DDD recharge to like every 12-24 hours as the clone jumps are?.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Garatonku
If you want to be safe in the knowledge your lvl70 toon and oober gear protects from pesky n00bs with teeth, I can point you to a game more suited to your tastes, marakor.
Firstly you do not know my tastes.
Its about the game being playable, with cyno blockers titan nerfs and all the other soverienty issues plus gang/fleet bonuses CCP have broken the game and they should fix it before adding more stupid ideas that cause more lag.
And if you think this post is about turning eve into WOW your wrong. But id not like to see it turn into a game of who can recruit the largest fleet of ppl with barely enough skills to fly a cruiser so they can lag out players who have trained long and hard just to kill them. I do agree though that a high number should be able to beat a single player or it would be stupid.
But at the moment we have already laggy battles being made worse because certain FC's are telling there fleets to drop cans so the desync gets even worse. That has nothing to do with the smarts, merits, team work and dedication you are saying. Im all for a good and fair balance but breaking the game is not a thing that should be seen as laudable and rewarded.
If lag did not exist id say the titan nerf perhaps would be ok but because of the lag and ppls willingness to increase it for the sole perpose of destroying a huge asset it should be put the way it was back until CCP fix the game.
Perhaps as i have said extending the remote DDD timer to a few hours or even a day before refire would be better than losing the ships to nothing but a deliberate lag bomb.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 02:20:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 22/08/2007 02:23:12
Originally by: SpaceMoose
So essentially you want to play WoW? edit: while whining about lag
Originally by: marakor
And if you think this post is about turning eve into WOW your wrong.
Learn how to read all of a post
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marakor
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Posted - 2007.08.22 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 22/08/2007 17:44:56
Originally by: insolace
Originally by: marakor The newest patches have even allowed the ultimate anti-blob ship the titan..
So lets review:
1) Titans require large alliances to build due to resources and sov requirements
2) Titans take 60 days to build and require a large defensive force during that time
3) Because of 1 and 2, the only way to abort a titan is to meet that large defensive force with an equal or larger offensive force
4) once a titan is built it can only be destroyed by a large capital fleet with an equally large support fleet. The only piloted titan ever destroyed was destroyed by a fleet of over 200 ships.
5) the doomsday can destroy all non-tanked battleships or lower class ships on grid, meaning any support fleet that is fighting one must stockpile ships and be prepared to swarm the titan after being destroyed.
How exactly does this discourage blobbing?
You tell me it was your blob and alliance that was getting killed before the patch and now they are nerfed you seem to be doing rather better in the war.
Or are you going to call it a coincidence lol.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 22/08/2007 18:02:47 Edited by: marakor on 22/08/2007 18:01:29
Originally by: Pirokobo Edited by: Pirokobo on 22/08/2007 17:55:56
Originally by: marakor You tell me it was your blob and alliance that was getting killed before the patch and now they are nerfed you seem to be doing rather better in the war.
Or are you going to call it a coincidence lol.
Goon operates on a sound tactical principle of strength through numbers. It's a simple, proven tactic that achieves results without extraordinary requirements other then the general need for lots of players and lots of ships.
Simply because you disapprove of that tactic does not make it unfair. Sure, there may be a story about 300 Spartans facing off against most of Persia.
But don't forget that for every "King Leonidas" in history there are a thousand "General Custer" characters; and just because they had the bigger guns didn't make it any harder for them to be encircled and taken apart by their numerically superior foes.
Where do i say its not fair? lol.
LOL another spartan referance ffs omg look at Insolace's point 5 to see how the remote nerf has encouraged the blob.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Pirokobo Edited by: Pirokobo on 22/08/2007 18:06:28
Originally by: marakor LOL another spartan referance ffs omg look at Insolace's point 5 to see how the remote nerf has encouraged the blob.
My point being that the Titan isn't a ****ing Spartan. Never will be. It's more like Katsumoto in Last Samurai. Try to run into a ****ing wall of bullets and it WILL die. Eventually.
Your referance is totaly wrong considering the titan is the most advanced ship in eve and you are trying to compare it to a guy who brings old fashoned armour and a sword to fight a modern army with gattling guns. If any thing your the low tec guys because of your lemming like tactics.
If your gonna compare a titan to anything it should be like having a atomic arsenal and theres no country out there with no nukes that can beat by sheer numbers a nuke capable power.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: WT Snacks A titan encourages blobbing more than any other feature in the game. Yes, a remote DD can break up a blob, but it will not stop people from making a bigger one and swarming your titan.
TL;DR, stop trying to make up weapons that would kill a blob and start thinking of a reason why I would want to take 20 BS instead of 400 BS to a fight.
If its a remote DDD then the titan cannot be blobbed therefore ppl would have to find ways other than the blob to kill them.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: WT Snacks
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: WT Snacks A titan encourages blobbing more than any other feature in the game. Yes, a remote DD can break up a blob, but it will not stop people from making a bigger one and swarming your titan.
TL;DR, stop trying to make up weapons that would kill a blob and start thinking of a reason why I would want to take 20 BS instead of 400 BS to a fight.
If its a remote DDD then the titan cannot be blobbed therefore ppl would have to find ways other than the blob to kill them.
No, we'd still blob it because there is no other way to kill it. Find the titan, drop a bubble, warp in 500 dudes and hope he desyncs. All a remote DD does is ensure we lose a few dozen to a hundred more ships in the process.
And how many times pre nerf did you do this cos id like to see the fraps pls?.
Id like to see you get to it while its back inside a pos lol. And hoping to break the game just to kill a ship because you do not have the know how or abilty of others who did is why they should be fixed.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Pinnk Floyd
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: WT Snacks A titan encourages blobbing more than any other feature in the game. Yes, a remote DD can break up a blob, but it will not stop people from making a bigger one and swarming your titan.
TL;DR, stop trying to make up weapons that would kill a blob and start thinking of a reason why I would want to take 20 BS instead of 400 BS to a fight.
If its a remote DDD then the titan cannot be blobbed therefore ppl would have to find ways other than the blob to kill them.
So what happens if the Titan has a 200 man support fleet on its side?
One way is to actualy train up and actualy build a few of these ships so you are a nuke capable power and have the abilty to fight at there level. Instead of breaking the game .
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marakor
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Posted - 2007.08.22 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Pinnk Floyd You're dumb. A Titan isn't a blob breaker, a Titan is a fleet breaker. You can drop a doomsday on a 20 man fleet as well as a 200 man fleet. And that was done on every occassion. If an enemy was shooting a station with 50 battleships, you could have one guy in an Avatar stay up and camp the station with a Titan and there'd be absolutely nothing you can do to stop him.
In conclusion, you're dumb stop talking
So?
They can do that now you moron the nerf did'nt change it he can warp to a ongrid point 4-500km away and DDD them.
PS. your a ****** and need to learn some manners.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: WT Snacks
Originally by: marakor And how many times pre nerf did you do this cos id like to see the fraps pls?.
Id like to see you get to it while its back inside a pos lol. And hoping to break the game just to kill a ship because you do not have the know how or abilty of others who did is why they should be fixed.
Good sir imbecile, pre-nerf titans were untouchable. No matter what you did, you would not be able to kill a titan. I do wish remote DDs would return, I'd love to hot drop a double DD on a BoB fleet in my cov ops at least once. Not that it would stop blobbing, causing a thousand greasy nerds cry out in anguish upon pressing the I WIN button is a dream every goon has.
dear mr sh*g whit i seem to remember a couple of titans being killed before the nerf i suggest you check your history before you make comments on there invulnerability.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: WT Snacks Also, stop posting.
no problem ive even renamed it for you as you seem to blob threads as much as you blob eve.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: HydroSan
Originally by: marakor dear mr sh*g whit i seem to remember a couple of titans being killed before the nerf i suggest you check your history before you make comments on there invulnerability.
Both were killed while the pilot was offline. Try again.
They must have been online to go ofline and be killed and one i heard was a logofski but im not 100% and id hardly take a lag swarms word for it.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Reuser OP seems to have a definite cognitive disconnect, a flag to wave, and an axe to grind. Why didn't you just fricking declare for your side right off the bat, and dispense with the nonsensical straw man arguments?
tl;dr - OP, please never post again.
my side is on my corp ticker if it seemed to rattle a few cages in certain areas then i guess i hit other ppls flags, axes and nerves.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 21:21:00 -
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FOFOFOFOFOFOFO
I belive this is the standard respoce that you understand.
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marakor
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Posted - 2007.08.22 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: HydroSan Edited by: HydroSan on 22/08/2007 21:20:45
Originally by: marakor They must have been online to go ofline and be killed and one i heard was a logofski but im not 100% and id hardly take a lag swarms word for it.
One logged off with an aggression timer inside a POS bubble. The other was smartbombed by a covert ops spy right before he logged off which caused aggression.
It'd be good to read up on basic EVE history before you start making threads like this. Besides, BoB don't have any alt posting rule, so why aren't you posting with your BoB character?
In other words stupidity killed one and the other fell to gr8 planning
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Posted - 2007.08.22 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 22/08/2007 21:35:40 Edited by: marakor on 22/08/2007 21:34:47
Originally by: Havoc GunStar
Originally by: marakor
One way is to actualy train up and actualy build a few of these ships so you are a nuke capable power and have the abilty to fight at there level. Instead of breaking the game .
If you had ever seen a Titan in combat, or even looked at the ship's stats, you'd know a Titan can't kill another Titan. All they can do is kill support fleets. THAT is why Eve-Online had become Cap-Ships-Online for a good while there.
The bit you sp carefuly cut was a responce to somone asking how to deal with a titans support fleet you total prat.
Originally by: marakor
They can do that now you moron the nerf did'nt change it he can warp to a ongrid point 4-500km away and DDD them.
PS. your a ****** and need to learn some manners.
You're an idiot, and again, have clearly never faced a Titan in combat before. Quit your armchair general BS. You can't effectively discuss something you can't comprehend. Hint: Range on the superweapon is 250km.
Hint; range of sniping BS=????????????
a**hole
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Posted - 2007.08.23 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: unhealthyman To the OP - Goons do not 'blob' intentionally in order to cause lag.
I'll repeat that because you seem to be struggling:
GOONS DO NOT 'BLOB' INTENTIONALLY TO CAUSE LAG.
So all the bragging about lagging out systems to kill stuff and dropping cans to make desynch worse is just an illusion??.
Originally by: unhealthyman
Also, before there titan nerf, there were no kills of a piloted titan.
I'll repeat that because you seem to be struggling:
BEFORE THE TITAN NERF, THERE WERE NO KILLS OF A PILOTED TITAN.
Il point out that nowhere do i claim the titans were piloted and that one was down to pilot stupidity and the other to a well executed black ops strike.
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