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pyrofox
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:13:00 -
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Logging out is so lame and basically means your not playing the game....
Fixing sec on a toon at the mo and there is 1 particular drake in 0.0 who insta logs as soon as i enter system...
Loggers should burn in hell then be made to sit on t.s with loganberry muffin man for say 10 minutes.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:15:00 -
[62]
If you're flying by yourself and jump into a gate camped by ebil people...and log out...
Can we call that a one-man login trap?
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Kamenwati
The Corpse Collectors
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:18:00 -
[63]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON I will say this then leave this thread for you to flame or whatever.
First smart thing you have said TBH. It's pretty rare to see somebody dig themselves deeper and deeper with every post they make, but you have managed to do so. Congrats and whatnot.
I'm sure your alliance is beaming with pride at having an admitted logger among them who openly sneers at anybody having a desire to maintain their in game reputation. You see, what you obviously don't understand is that "honor" and "respect" aren't just terms that apply to the real world. Your actions in game are all we have to go on to judge your character (and the people who would associate with you) by. Based on your own words, and open sneering admission to utilizing game mechanics that the vast majority of Eve players regard as utterly lame, I can't say as I think much about either your actions, or the in game you. In the real world you might be a swell guy, I don't know, but I do know that I don't like or approve of the in game you. Comprende?
Like it or not, your actions and words also reflect poorly on both your corp and alliance. Somehow I doubt your alliance leadership shares in your sneering contempt of having honor and earning respect within Eve, making accusations without proof, and openly admitting that you log off in combat. At least I hope it doesn't.
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deathforge
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON Edited by: GRENADIERSIMPSON on 13/08/2007 20:52:59 Im just thinking how many veto are laughing at you guys stating "veto dont do log in traps".
Verone please link the unedited version of the fraps please. Strange how it suddenly just ends there with me logging, and you still active.
I thought you were leaving?
And by the way, I rule you.
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:39:00 -
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Man I love posts with proof. Especially when it shows some smug anti-pie who comments on someone elses tactics pulling a supremely weak tactic such as logoffski while cloaked.
It just doesn't add up the way simpson explained it. You jumped into a wall of 15 Veto that you claim was a login trap? That would have to be some insane piece of timing for them to all log in, re-warp back to gate and be ready the exact moment you guys jumped over.
Now had you said something like you jumped in to see a baited BS or two and then you saw them warping in from various directions, I could almost believe you. I say almost because I would believe a Veto member over any anti-pie person I've met in game.
Without any screenies or vids to back up your claims it's a very weak claim at best. With Verone posting a video of your weak logoffski in cloak, it's the nail in the coffin as far as your character or reputation is concerned, regardless of if you deny or admit to doing it. Admitting it doesn't make it any less weak or you any more upstanding.
Perhaps I misread your flames incorrectly in the original posting, but I don't think so.
Your corp and alliance should really give you the boot for shaming them with your pathetic antics. I hope Veto blows you up many times over.
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GRENADIERSIMPLETON
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:42:00 -
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You were on pretty much all of out address books after the forum smack and the log off trick. We knew as soon as you logged on, you'd warp straight back to the Old Man Star gate in Ladistier. You logged on once, we jumped through and you dropped out of warp 300km from the gate, before logging off a second time. We left local once again and went about our business in Old Man Star, when we saw you log on a again. We all warped to the Ladistier Gate and jumped through.
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I personally didn't jump through in time to see you warp away. Some of the gang did, though they didn't manage to lock you in time, or were out of Warp Disrupt range.
I'm not sure if you believe what you're claiming or if you're simply too embarrassed to admit you're wrong. I dunno... Check your game logs or something.
Stargates - The new Log-in TrapÖ
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:44:00 -
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Veto does not do login traps. They've been 100% honorable pilots as far as I've ever been able to tell, and I've liked every single member I've come across. Oh, and tell your boys (Blaze White in particular) to post their losses. Thanks.
Oh, and just FYI:
Quote:
A good name is to be more desired than great wealth, Favor is better than silver and gold.
Liang
Originally by: "QproQ"
When people say "Put 'stabs on your 'cane", they mean GYROSTABS"
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Sanctuary
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:44:00 -
[68]
EVE is a login trap.
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deathforge
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:44:00 -
[69]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPLETON Stargates - The new Log-in TrapÖ
Stargates and log in traps look a lot alike when you're inept.
And by the way, I rule you.
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Lindsay Bluth
War-Mart
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lindsay Bluth on 13/08/2007 21:51:07
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPLETON
Poast with yoar main
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Wigglytuff
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.13 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON I merely corrected dark elf on what he said. Now you can say allday long that you didnt do pull a log in trap after that till your blue in the face mate. When i logged back on nobody in system. This was confirmed by my cov ops pilot checking if it was clear. When i log back in all of a sudden at the same time your all back in system.
Adding people to your buddylist is awesome at telling you when to go back and kill a person who pulled a logoffski.
Also your covops pilot can't watch the surrounding systems.
Honestly, comparing your 'evidence' to Verone's, I just have one thing to say to you.
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Wigglytuff
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.13 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON Ok so im blind then? And my cov ops pilot is?
It would appear so, considering your covert ops pilot would have had to be as blind as a bat to miss the FIFTEEN RED FLASHING SQUARES waiting on the jump in for your gang, which jumped in oblivious anyway and proceeded to log off.
I wonder if his cov-ops had removed neutrals from overview (thus removing everyone) and didn't have your gang listed.
Also, WTB elite Veto login-instantly-to-position ability. Nice lack of login warp delay, I'll take it?
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vasco di
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.08.13 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
So thats me done for now in here
So why tf are you still here?
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Lithalnas
Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.08.13 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Lithalnas on 13/08/2007 22:29:05 Veto's stance on accusations of logoffski's
Yarr ------------- Hadean Drive Yards
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Marcathonas
Minmatar Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Marcathonas on 13/08/2007 23:01:52 Oh heriom, you card
By card I mean smacktalking ctrl-q monkey. Much love.
Incidentally, perhaps making sure your covops pilots are in the correct system will help you next time?
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Seth Rock
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:06:00 -
[76]
Veto > you
I've known Verone for nearly two years and he would do many horrible unspoken things to anyone that logged in combat, then they would get booted from corp _________________________________________ Sig removed again as being inappropriate- Tirg Sig removed as it is inappropriate. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
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Kirex
Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:11:00 -
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Jesus, you guys utterly forum raped him. 0.o
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D0INK
Minmatar Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:28:00 -
[78]
Hey guys! Am I late to the party? LOL I swear, when I read all the posts, it felt like I walked into the apartment of a *****victim. Pity you didn't use a standard VIGIL WCS fit to save the day.
P.S. Veto is made of Epic win. -------------------------------------------------- Run. |
Mr Floppyknickers
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:35:00 -
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Here's the bottom line cats and kittens...
Verone and Veto: A known CEO and corp. that for many years has conducted itself in such a way that they have a reputation that is well established for not engaging in poor sportsmanship of any kind. They may be effective killers, but when you deal with them you know exactly the treatment you will receive. A ransom taken, they will honor it. An agreement reached, will be upheld. A corp. where should any member betray this noble doctrine, said member will be sent from the corp. in disgrace, shame, and dishonor, not to mention the sound of an exploding ship.
Grenaidersimpson: has admitted he sees nothing wrong about engaging in dishonorable conduct, even to the point of claiming one cannot be decent, honorable, or upstanding in a video game. Reminding all who read his posts, which boast all of the intelligence and grace of an embittered rottweiler, of your average internet asshat who likes to do anything they can to provoke, irritate, troll, and attack anyone who is decent because behind the veil of the nameless net there are few repercussions and it grants them what they most covet: attention.
Grenaidersimpson, you have made an accusation and used nothing but your words to back them up. Words, it has come to be revealed, that have less value than a load of fetid dingoÆs kidneys. Had you proven yourself a man of character, this discussion might have had a hope of going in your favor, providing you had actual evidence that is. Unfortunately for you, that has not happened. You have displayed to all that you lack the very strength of character you try to accuse veto of lacking.
Verone has presented fact, and a reputation beyond reproach.
Sorry, but you lose this round of the discussion. However, you have managed to prove yourself ruler of the forum asshat brigade, well-done sir. As I write this I know you will not understand it, or even if you didthat you would pretend not to, but how one conducts themselves in any public venue be it walking down the street, sitting in a theatre, or playing a video game speaks volumes as to their character, or lack thereof.
Now a little personal interjection. When you jump into a gate camp full of nasty hostiles your options should only be as follows: Fight (and possibly die, or possibly win, you have to try to find out) or run back through the gate or escape into the system. You never log out, ever. I would rather lose my ship and not lose the respect of my peers, my corp., or my friends.
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Neo Rainhart
Caldari Leela's Lamas
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:43:00 -
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This thread deliver/-s, -ed. And so does Veto. Yes im a fanboi
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50freefly
Caldari Karma Kompany
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON Im not sure where your from then mate but in my life respect has to be EARNED. If people can earn your respect from a spaceship game then...i dont know. Good luck.
Also Honor cannot be achieved over a computer. Once again if you feel it can then you are sadly dis illusioned.
Thats all i have to say about that. If someone can tell me im wrong then do it!!!!
Fly safe o7
Gren, I don't like this post. That's the whole point of being antipirate, upholding honor and stuff. If we don't have that then what differentiates us from people who don't honor ransoms?
Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right.
And they never meet.
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kessah
Blood Corsair's The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:50:00 -
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Gren i did say, dont accuse Veto of anything like this before you speak to Verone about it.
Veto hold alot of respect in Eve, you calling basically one of the more well known, respected and honest pirates in eve just aint clever, wont win you any friends as you can see from the thread.
If Veto members did in fact do such a thing and you had proof, there would be x amount of members short on the Veto membership.
Thread delivers though.
-------------------------------------------------------- [Video] Forever Pirate 3
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DruzidelCastro
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.14 00:41:00 -
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I...you...but...words just cannot express what I have witnessed reading this thread. You pulled the trigger, shot your foot, and just kept pulling the trigger Gren; crazy masochists :(
I must say though, VGL are a little more upstanding than this - Gren certainly doesn't speak for all of them (though I doubt it makes even a little bit of difference now that the damage has been done). Only one word can describe this:
Oops.
VHI - We haul your cargo for free! |
Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2007.08.14 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON Im not sure where your from then mate but in my life respect has to be EARNED. If people can earn your respect from a spaceship game then...i dont know. Good luck.
Also Honor cannot be achieved over a computer. Once again if you feel it can then you are sadly dis illusioned.
Thats all i have to say about that. If someone can tell me im wrong then do it!!!!
Fly safe o7
You're wrong.
you are awesome with your one-liners -
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2007.08.14 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON Im not sure where your from then mate but in my life respect has to be EARNED. If people can earn your respect from a spaceship game then...i dont know. Good luck.
Also Honor cannot be achieved over a computer. Once again if you feel it can then you are sadly dis illusioned.
Thats all i have to say about that. If someone can tell me im wrong then do it!!!!
Fly safe o7
Yes, respect must be earned and can be even in a game. So can honor be achieved in a game.. its all about actions. How you present yourself and the actions you take and what you stand for. If you act in an honorable way well you are.. now as in the game aspect you well may be an honorable person in RL and choose not to be in the game. That is up for the person to decide. Why people forget there are real people behind the pixils is beyond me. Why is it such a bad thing bringing morals into a game? Old saying goes.. treat people how yourself would like to be treated.. good saying.
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Khorian
Gallente Excidium.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 01:33:00 -
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If you bring morale into the game, you gotta stop killing people, because killing people is wrong (in most societies).
Honor in MMO's, even tho some people claim it doesnt exist (goons), is a strong part of the expirience. However you want to call it, every action you do will provoke a reaction. The way you act towards the people you play with influences how they percieve you.
We don't know you personally or in real life. All we know is your Avatar and how you act with it. That is what we build our opinion about you on. You will have to live with the consequences of your doings in the game. Those can be totally different from your real life.
You can be the most honorable, friendly guy IRL, and at the same time be a ruthless pod killing, ransom dishonoring pirate.
Profiling yourself in EvE is in essence why YOU play this game. You constantly compare yourself to other players etc. You maybe want to be respected, or feared, or hated and thats how you play.
Without Respect/Honor whatever you may call it, playing MMOs is a blank expirience.
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2007.08.14 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Khorian If you bring morale into the game, you gotta stop killing people, because killing people is wrong (in most societies).
Wait a sec... you mean to say people dont really fall over dead when you pew pew the pod?!?
and all this time... damn!
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Lyta Reimalken
Minmatar No Fear Buccaneers
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Posted - 2007.08.14 02:19:00 -
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All of a sudden I feel desperately sorry for the rest of your corp whos reputation and honour has just been literally and figuratively crushed :/ I hope theyre able to distance themselves from your odd brand of hypocrisy as quickly as possible :) Its times like this that make me realise the futility of cloning vats....
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hellsknights
Phoenix Navy Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 04:04:00 -
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I think mister Simpson is gonna have a rough few weeks in game..
I was not there, but i tend to believe Verone, Veto corp has the respect of pirates and carebears alike.
If any Veto goes back on their word IE {ransoms} they wont be in Veto to long.
I love it when someone accuses another, the accused comes to his defence and the accuser has nothing left to say. {if that makes any sense}
Well from now on, we all know to only believe a fraction of what Simpson says, plain and simple. Hells
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.14 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lithalnas Veto's stance on accusations of logoffski's
Yarr
That's... disturbing.
On topic:
The regard of honour and respect is held highly through eve. From the lowliest miner to the Alliance executor (assuming it's not a corp management specced alt), honour and respect can often define many factors in the growth, development, success and business of any corporation, be it in RL (real life omg), or in Eve.
Veto. has based its image as a respectful corporation that works within decorum parameters that a large majority of the playerbase (as evident in this unusually large thread) find honourable and trustworthy. As pirates, a large part of their desirable income actually comes from the fact that if they ransom someone, the ransomee has to trust the word of the pirate - that they'll stay alive - or they'll not pay. Quiet simple.
If Veto. did not keep up their trustworthy image, they'd simply lose the trust of their victims and by in part, a large failsafe part of their income, or what makes them pirates in the first place: The Bounty.
Now while you find such things as honour and trust frivalous and needless in a computer game, I assure you, from the lowest ganker, to the highest echelons of corporate management, you'll find thousands of players in EVE (gosh), who find such trust and honour as a breathe of fresh air among the dredges that exist... well, in your alliance, according to your own statements:
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON I openly admit telling my squad to log off. My choice nobody elses.
Indeed. But while you consider it 'just part of the game', many people - and I'm surrounded by them in this thread - consider your style of gameplay to be fairly below contempt.
But as you've said. Your alliance leaders weren't happy, but they weren't the one giving the commands. HOWEVER, their alliance is now the one facing up to public scrutiny. An FC who's not above logging off in combat to save his arse? What will he do next? Steal from corporate hangars? After all... it's just a game...
And yet, we come to the final crux of the debate here, shared with my honourable and trustworthy fellows here: Veto's Word.
As I'm sure I pointed out earlier, Veto's position in this game has been well established after Verone first made his statements that he would not tollerate his corporation going below such measures you're obviously willing to employ in your attempt to 'win' this computer game. He's worked for 3 years at least, to make sure he doesn't employ people in Veto who would lean in your direction (we call it 'logoffski' out in the sticks). And from this, many business partners and victims of ransom have actually been able to pay and survive a successful Veto transaction.
This is because of Veto's Honour
This is because of Veto's Trust
This is because there's actually people who employ such attributes to run a successful corporation for over 3 years in this ongoing MMORPG (that looks to only get better).
So while you're looking at that log in screen, contemplating what camp you might have just 'logoffskied' against this time, maybe you could find it within yourself to not be an idiot and slate a very well respected corporation in Eve. Then maybe, you won't make your Alliance look rediculous in the public eye and shame your entire corporation.
Finally, to finish something that simply wouldn't stop rolling (aka this post) I'd like to impart a little wisdom:
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON Also people saying now that respect and honor can be achieved over a computer game are f*cking sad...get a life.
And with this attitude, you'll find neither here...
...perhaps you could bash some Horde over the head in WoW and maybe gain 'honor' there?
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