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Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.16 22:17:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Ghost of Truth wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:but there is nothing to fix. everything is fine so far. there is no reason why I should be forbidden to afk whereever I like, space is free for all equally. you either dont know what i am talking about, so please get informed, or you are failing in trolling.Also, If you do know, and want to get all nitpicky on me, know that using Game mechanincs in no way as intented is forbbiden according to the EULA.Suck it up From EULA '23. You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website. ' And no, AFKin is no supported by CCP in any way.Its not a 'feature'.Its a break of the gasme rules. Wait, I apologize, but I could not pass this up, it's just too good. HOW do you KNOW they are AFK? Your description of this makes it very clear you cannot see them, or what they are doing. Clearly they did not actually tell you they are AFK, unless you are willing to believe they have trained pets sending messages for them. At a guess, your criteria is that they have been online for extended periods, and you have not been able to communicate with them. This does not make them AFK. It just makes them quiet neighbors. With such a gorgeous backdrop, they might have a soothing image of local nebulae on their bigscreen, as they meditate. Why are you trying to bother them?
So according to your OWN words you wouldnt have any problem for you to move your ship around no and tehn would you?I mean, you ARE there 24/7 so just warping to another safe spot to keep your cloak would be so hard and i would shut up and everybody happy...Right? |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
523
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Posted - 2012.01.16 22:19:00 -
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Ghost of Truth wrote:Lord Zim wrote:A bug. That's your current attack vector, is it? An exploit is the beter term.And it is teh main point of attack unless you didnt noticed with all the trolling pilling up.
http://www.eveonline.com/features/castor/detail.asp#updatedshiptechnology refers to "Cloaking while targeting others will result in the targets being unlocked". I assume that means cloaking has been in the game since at least december 2003, if not since the game was first made.
So you're trying to tell me that it's been an exploit since then? Are you really going to try to go down that path? |
Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.16 22:22:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Ghost of Truth wrote:Lord Zim wrote:A bug. That's your current attack vector, is it? An exploit is the beter term.And it is teh main point of attack unless you didnt noticed with all the trolling pilling up. http://www.eveonline.com/features/castor/detail.asp#updatedshiptechnology refers to "Cloaking while targeting others will result in the targets being unlocked". I assume that means cloaking has been in the game since at least december 2003, if not since the game was first made. So you're trying to tell me that it's been an exploit since then? Are you really going to try to go down that path?
Cloaking as a feature is nice and cute.Lets me give you crash course
According to wikipedia:
'An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1] It is often colloquially abbreviated sploit. Exploits have been classified as a form of cheating'
Cloaking=Feature since 2003 AFKIng =using that feature to get unintended bonuses=exploit baby!!
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Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.16 22:25:00 -
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Also fro the same Article on Griefing and Exploiting:
'Game mechanics Taking advantage of the systems that make up the gameplay. A game mechanics exploit is not a bugGÇöit is working as designed, but at the same time is not working as intended.' |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
523
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Posted - 2012.01.16 22:28:00 -
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And how long have people been whining about AFK cloakers? |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
0
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Posted - 2012.01.16 22:35:00 -
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Ghost of Truth wrote:So according to your OWN words you wouldnt have any problem for you to move your ship around no and tehn would you?I mean, you ARE there 24/7 so just warping to another safe spot to keep your cloak would be so hard and i would shut up and everybody happy...Right?
What's in it for me to make you happy?
Furthermore, you are assuming they are inactive. All you know with any degree of certainty, is that they have not chosen to communicate with you.
They could be quite busy warping around, sightseeing the gorgeous vistas, enjoying the fabulous graphics.
MAYBE, they are watching you, and are reporting your actions to their respective fleets, anticipating that you will justify their patience.
Perhaps, they have noticed you on whenever they are on, and you are just witness to a coincidence of timing.
You have yet to provide any substantive evidence to show they are actually AFK. Just a circumstantial suspicion based on their presence. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
43
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Posted - 2012.01.16 22:47:00 -
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Ghost of Truth wrote: According to wikipedia:
'An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1] It is often colloquially abbreviated sploit. Exploits have been classified as a form of cheating'
Cloaking=Feature since 2003 AFKIng =using that feature to get unintended bonuses=exploit baby!!
Hmmm, sounds like that same reasoning could be applied to Local Chat Intel, as I don't recall it ever being intended to be used as a form of 100% flawless Intel, but as a means of player communication.
So it's an exploit to counter an exploit, all of which could be resolved by removing the original exploit, that is Local Chat Intel.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
100
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Posted - 2012.01.16 23:06:00 -
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the dude is either a fu*king rtard or just trolling. Stop responding to him. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
0
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Posted - 2012.01.16 23:21:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Ghost of Truth wrote: According to wikipedia:
'An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1] It is often colloquially abbreviated sploit. Exploits have been classified as a form of cheating'
Cloaking=Feature since 2003 AFKIng =using that feature to get unintended bonuses=exploit baby!!
Hmmm, sounds like that same reasoning could be applied to Local Chat Intel, as I don't recall it ever being intended to be used as a form of 100% flawless Intel, but as a means of player communication. So it's an exploit to counter an exploit, all of which could be resolved by removing the original exploit, that is Local Chat Intel.
Genius... and he must have known we would eventually spot this, and reach this conclusion.
Good eye on that, Xorv!
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
5166
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Posted - 2012.01.17 14:07:00 -
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Ghost of Truth wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:but there is nothing to fix. everything is fine so far. there is no reason why I should be forbidden to afk whereever I like, space is free for all equally. you either dont know what i am talking about, so please get informed, or you are failing in trolling.Also, If you do know, and want to get all nitpicky on me, know that using Game mechanincs in no way as intented is forbbiden according to the EULA.Suck it up From EULA '23. You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website. ' And no, AFKin is no supported by CCP in any way.Its not a 'feature'.Its a break of the gasme rules. Please point me to the bug and or exploit. While you are at it, please indicate how many players have been banned, through using said bug and or exploit.
I ask because obviously you either work for, or own CCP. Why else would you claim to know what they consider is, or is not, a bug and or exploit.
Thank you kindly.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
5166
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Posted - 2012.01.17 14:09:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Ghost of Truth wrote: According to wikipedia:
'An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1] It is often colloquially abbreviated sploit. Exploits have been classified as a form of cheating'
Cloaking=Feature since 2003 AFKIng =using that feature to get unintended bonuses=exploit baby!!
Hmmm, sounds like that same reasoning could be applied to Local Chat Intel, as I don't recall it ever being intended to be used as a form of 100% flawless Intel, but as a means of player communication. So it's an exploit to counter an exploit, all of which could be resolved by removing the original exploit, that is Local Chat Intel. I like it.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.17 18:16:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Ghost of Truth wrote: According to wikipedia:
'An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1] It is often colloquially abbreviated sploit. Exploits have been classified as a form of cheating'
Cloaking=Feature since 2003 AFKIng =using that feature to get unintended bonuses=exploit baby!!
Hmmm, sounds like that same reasoning could be applied to Local Chat Intel, as I don't recall it ever being intended to be used as a form of 100% flawless Intel, but as a means of player communication. So it's an exploit to counter an exploit, all of which could be resolved by removing the original exploit, that is Local Chat Intel.
This Logic is so broken that my brain wants to commit suicide. The argument that according to you local is an exploit, so it makes another exploit ok, its so damaging to the world of philosophy that i can hear Plato and Descartes crying in their beds like little girls.But lets play the game.
Local channel had, has, or will have nothing to do with the problem we discuss in this thread.I undestand that after so many pages, its kinda difficult to follow it, but for some reason, when you see a AFK thread you assume that I am whining about see in him in Local.No.I could have seen him in D-scan just once, or he could make attacks in the system all the time and never jump thru gates.So his presence is known even if there was never a local.
The problem,for the last time,it is not that Iam seeing him in local.Please stop using this argument because you sound like little kids that his friend took his sweetroll.If you have problems finding counterarguments, then dont post.
If you think Local is an exploit, create your campaign to fix it if you have the brainmater to do so.Here I can give you the title also 'CCP Change Local-Summer Expansion 2012 Campaign'.
If you just want to troll, then it is simply sad. |
Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.17 18:18:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Ghost of Truth wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:but there is nothing to fix. everything is fine so far. there is no reason why I should be forbidden to afk whereever I like, space is free for all equally. you either dont know what i am talking about, so please get informed, or you are failing in trolling.Also, If you do know, and want to get all nitpicky on me, know that using Game mechanincs in no way as intented is forbbiden according to the EULA.Suck it up From EULA '23. You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website. ' And no, AFKin is no supported by CCP in any way.Its not a 'feature'.Its a break of the gasme rules. Please point me to the bug and or exploit. While you are at it, please indicate how many players have been banned, through using said bug and or exploit. I ask because obviously you either work for, or own CCP. Why else would you claim to know what they consider is, or is not, a bug and or exploit. Thank you kindly.
Just because noone has never brought it in that light before.Everyone trying to point it out was after a while so angry by the trolling tha his post had no much sense anymore.... Also I dont need to be an employee know what CCP thinks about expolits mate.Its right there on the EULA.... |
Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.17 18:26:00 -
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You dont even make this hard you know.... |
Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Investment and Security Industries Innovia Alliance
58
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Posted - 2012.01.17 19:01:00 -
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Another glorious day of afk cloaking for me. I love botter tears. There is no way to change cloaking without redesigning the game in its entirety including covert ops ships. I recommend ignoring this thread as its destiny is the same as the rest, oblivion. I do like the OP's frustration though. Knowing he wants a security upgrade for his nullsec ratting and that he can never be given it, delicious.
Check the anticloak threads through search, not a single dev response and yours won't get one either.
The devs are afk cloakers. =) |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
5169
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Posted - 2012.01.17 19:28:00 -
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Ghost of Truth wrote:Mag's wrote:Please point me to the bug and or exploit. While you are at it, please indicate how many players have been banned, through using said bug and or exploit. I ask because obviously you either work for, or own CCP. Why else would you claim to know what they consider is, or is not, a bug and or exploit. Thank you kindly. Just because noone has never brought it in that light before.Everyone trying to point it out was after a while so angry by the trolling tha his post had no much sense anymore.... Also I dont need to be an employee know what CCP thinks about expolits mate.Its right there on the EULA.... Do you honestly think you're the first to try and use the EULA to try and justify your ideals in regards to AFKing? Just because you think it's an exploit, doesn't make it so. I think you'll find that's CCP's job.
CCP bans people for using exploits. But I'll take it from the lack of a list of banned players from you, that they have never classed AFKing with cloaks, as an exploit. So you obviously don't really know what CCP thinks in that regard now, do you?
Ghost of Truth wrote:You dont even make this hard you know.... What you do make hard, is actually trying to understand most of what you post. May I suggest you calm down a little and take your time when replying. That way we'll all have the benefit of your wonderful insights.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
46
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Posted - 2012.01.17 21:13:00 -
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Ghost of Truth wrote: This Logic is so broken that my brain wants to commit suicide.
We live in hope..we live in hope!
Assuming your brain chooses otherwise, I highly recommend it takes some classes in reasoning. Try your local college or uni, and look for intro classes in the Philosophy department. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
525
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Posted - 2012.01.17 21:22:00 -
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http://eve-search.com/thread/574551
At least 5 years of "AFK Cloaker" whining, and no indication that I've found that CCP considers it "an exploit". In short, you're a whining crybabby, and you should stop posting. |
JM Nosnam
Frog Morton Industries Anuran Origin
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:02:00 -
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On the afk cloaking, how about a marker which appears on a characters name in the local chat list if he/she hasn't been active (ie clicked on anything) for the last 5 minutes or so? This could surely help all who are annoyed about it.
I've not read the whole topic (17 pages), so if its already been suggested I apologise |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
100
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:06:00 -
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JM Nosnam wrote:On the afk cloaking, how about a marker which appears on a characters name in the local chat list if he/she hasn't been active (ie clicked on anything) for the last 5 minutes or so? This could surely help all who are annoyed about it. I've not read the whole topic (17 pages), so if its already been suggested I apologise
this is equivalent to removing them from local anyways. But this is not a good one, this nerfs afk cloaking, which is the only "counter" to local available. The idea behind afk cloaking is to mitigate the information to the hostile given by local about your activity. With such kind of marker everyone would know you are not active at all and so no danger. The lack of that information as it is now is exactly why afk cloaking is effective and fullfil its intended purpose of local subversion. |
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corvus acanum
Dead Space Alpha Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1
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Posted - 2012.01.18 18:17:00 -
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I vote that cloaks have a time limit if they are on for more then say a hour at a time or so they automatically turn off. |
Akatenshi Xi
Elite Shadow Society ESS Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.01.18 23:52:00 -
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I'm just wondering how in the hell do you know if I am AFK or not?
Maybe I like to Role Play that my Manticore or Falcon is running extremely in depth scans of your station or pos, to the extent that I am too busy to in fact speak to you on the local communications bands?
Perhaps you are just a bit too weary of a single cloaky ship sitting around. Maybe you have been mercilessly raped by a cloaky ship lying in wait. Maybe he didn't use the right amount of lube on you, or perhaps not any lube at all. Whatever the case might be, keep posting OP, I want to watch you cry. |
GetSirrus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.19 05:03:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:http://eve-search.com/thread/574551
At least 5 years of "AFK Cloaker" whining, and no indication that I've found that CCP considers it "an exploit". In short, you're a whining crybabby, and you should stop posting.
This!
To the OP. Why do you think your post is any different from the dozens of others which pose against AFK cloaking.
Sorry you really want a counter? Doesn't take a "on ready" fleet to action. You have one pilot (just the one) probing all of the time. Active pilots are rotated through duty. (set a timetable). Cloaker makes a mistake, and he is toast. Might make some of them nervous and stop or move elsewhere. You might get lucky. Whatever. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.01.19 05:13:00 -
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Posting to get out of the notifications.
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Katie Frost
Asgard. Exodus.
18
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Posted - 2012.01.19 05:58:00 -
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No matter how you package this ridiculous argument... all I am ultimately reading is:
"I am scared of someone in local who is cloaked and may or may not be AFK. So CCP plz nerf... er... AFK...?" |
Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:04:00 -
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Katie Frost wrote:No matter how you package this ridiculous argument... all I am ultimately reading is:
"I am scared of someone in local who is cloaked and may or may not be AFK. So CCP plz nerf... er... AFK...?"
Then you havent read even a single post of mine in my thread, Do you think I am a Friggin Hulk Miner with no Fangs? Or that I dont hate botters for the easy mode when I have to bust my a*s all day in the anomalies to get by?.But what is fair is fair.They can stay there forever and do their work indefentely, Local or no friggin local.That is invulnerability, and it is exploitable.End of frigin story. |
Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:08:00 -
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GetSirrus wrote:Lord Zim wrote:http://eve-search.com/thread/574551
At least 5 years of "AFK Cloaker" whining, and no indication that I've found that CCP considers it "an exploit". In short, you're a whining crybabby, and you should stop posting. This! To the OP. Why do you think your post is any different from the dozens of others which pose against AFK cloaking. Sorry you really want a counter? Doesn't take a "on ready" fleet to action. You have one pilot (just the one) probing all of the time. Active pilots are rotated through duty. (set a timetable). Cloaker makes a mistake, and he is toast. Might make some of them nervous and stop or move elsewhere. You might get lucky. Whatever.
So i have to set my whole Corp on line, have Pvers to cover ALL teh miners, and have a pilot do a tedious job all the time, for when and if a frigate pilot wil decide to make a mistake?And even then he can bring instanly a whole alliance right in the middle of my pvp fleet whith so low of a cost?And that sounds balanced? |
Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:13:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:http://eve-search.com/thread/574551
At least 5 years of "AFK Cloaker" whining, and no indication that I've found that CCP considers it "an exploit". In short, you're a whining crybabby, and you should stop posting.
well if you decide to read teh dev blogs.THAT was the problem all those years with eve, not fixing those nuisances., so I keep my hope up.Thay are trying to FIX the game.Lets hope they do it this time.And understand that the problem whas not from all those 'VETERANS that rage all day on the forums', but all the other players that didnt make a fuss all those years and freaked out in the summer.Becasue we dont want just Internet Spaceships.We want a good game to spend our money to. |
Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:14:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Ghost of Truth wrote:Mag's wrote:Please point me to the bug and or exploit. While you are at it, please indicate how many players have been banned, through using said bug and or exploit. I ask because obviously you either work for, or own CCP. Why else would you claim to know what they consider is, or is not, a bug and or exploit. Thank you kindly. Just because noone has never brought it in that light before.Everyone trying to point it out was after a while so angry by the trolling tha his post had no much sense anymore.... Also I dont need to be an employee know what CCP thinks about expolits mate.Its right there on the EULA.... Do you honestly think you're the first to try and use the EULA to try and justify your ideals in regards to AFKing? Just because you think it's an exploit, doesn't make it so. I think you'll find that's CCP's job. CCP bans people for using exploits. But I'll take it from the lack of a list of banned players from you, that they have never classed AFKing with cloaks, as an exploit. So you obviously don't really know what CCP thinks in that regard now, do you? Ghost of Truth wrote:You dont even make this hard you know.... What you do make hard, is actually trying to understand most of what you post. May I suggest you calm down a little and take your time when replying. That way we'll all have the benefit of your wonderful insights.
the EULA is a two party agreement.CCP or a PLAYER can call on to that.Just FYI.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
10
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:20:00 -
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One of the things I really like about Eve is the ability to go AFK, sometimes for extended periods. I consider it a feature and a good one. |
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