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Xuko Nuki
Submerged Living
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Posted - 2012.01.14 22:57:00 -
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Why do local ghosts frighten the ferocious 0.0 warrior? |
Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.14 22:58:00 -
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Xuko Nuki wrote:Why do local ghosts frighten the ferocious 0.0 warrior?
My opinion is in that thread too!! |
Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.14 22:59:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Ghost of Truth wrote:Tippia wrote:Ghost of Truth wrote:PLenty of them on the thread...this is about the summer expansion.... Plenty of what? Also: yes? Being about the summer expansion doesn't really answer why AFK:ing needs to be GǣkilledGǥGǪ PLenty of Answers to both your questions... plenty of tears and BS is more like it Thnkas for keeping this thread up!Go! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4381
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Posted - 2012.01.14 22:59:00 -
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Ghost of Truth wrote:PLenty of Answers to both your questions... Not really, no.
There's a few people mewling about unrelated issues (cloaks, mostly). In post #14, you call Gǣthe game mechanicGǥ broken (without specifying which mechanic you're referring to, and how it's broken). In post #15, Deviana provides an issue with cloaks, not AFK:ness, and also explains how it can already be countered. In post #21, Corina discusses AFK:ness, but somehow I suspect (s)he is being sarcasticGǪ
So yeah, the question remains: how is AFK:ing a hot issue and why does it need to be killed?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ghost of Truth wrote:PLenty of Answers to both your questions... Not really, no. There's a few people mewling about unrelated issues (cloaks, mostly). In post #14, you call Gǣthe game mechanicGǥ broken (without specifying which mechanic you're referring to, and how it's broken). In post #15, Deviana provides an issue with cloaks, not AFK:ness, and also explains how it can already be countered. In post #21, Corina discusses AFK:ness, but somehow I suspect (s)he is being sarcasticGǪ So yeah, the question remains: how is AFK:ing a hot issue and why does it need to be killed? (Sih)...You can discuss these there also... |
Clementina
The Scope
45
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:05:00 -
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I feel as though I am being trolled.
AFK cloaking is not a problem. Remember an AFK cloaker cannot warp, tackle you, shoot, or activate a cynosural field. If you are worried about someone doing these things, you are not worried about an AFK cloaker.
Really AFK cloakers work best against Robots, they're like a Turning Test. You are against Bots, are you? |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
199
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:06:00 -
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Ghost of Truth wrote:Tippia wrote:How about, instead, cloakers get disconnected from local? Go to the Thread, and give you opinion.
What is this thread you speak of, and why aren't you posting over there instead of here?
Who is this "we" you speak of? Do you have a ferret in your pocket or something?
How is this more important than CCP making curtains for the door in my Captain's Closet?
How can someone who is afk affect my game play or yours when we all consent to being blown-up upon undocking?
Why do you think you should be able to dictate how others play the game?
Do you really expect you'll get a Dev to respond here?
What do the CSM think about your cunning plan?
When answering these questions please show your work.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4381
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:06:00 -
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Ghost of Truth wrote:(Sih)...You can discuss these there also... GǪor I can use this thread, on the topic of killing AFKing during the summer expansion, to discuss whether killing AKFing is even needed or if it's just a pointless waste of time because it's not really a problem.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
73
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:08:00 -
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A token left with judgement a memento left ajar A secret never wanted death defying little charms How to defend pretend selective ****-away so long neglected Pretty-frozen underground from above the odor leering
Pass the meat from which I stink of All those tethered whether-wise
A blood stain all the wiser desperation kicks the stool A little bruise to lose demure a staple cut and dry In the sink dissection decimation is the rule In determining direction acting agent act the fool
Pass the meat from which I stink of Putrid helping kept inside
Tincture Warning Second cousin to the new invention Addictive so charming second only to a forced unfusion Tincture of lead be said with no remorse full of confusion Wish to enjoy this weightlessness lay me out full worm garden
A prick upon the finger looking back like hacking through To develop in the mixture of a portion of a view The distant elevation of a faded wicked high Divination ask a question of a spirit for a thing you used to hide
Pass the meat from which I stink of Passed out serving on the side From the meat I'm suffocating Cutting from the bone to hide
A noose-knit put on sweater tie it up around the arm Looks to grip along the trigger down the barrel of a gun Assume today a game to play cardboard house in dissaray Tremble little joker think dig it deep don't be afraid...
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Clementina
The Scope
45
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:19:00 -
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You do realize that this is General Discussion right? Where things are discussed generally. If you wanted to raise support to change a feature you should have went to Features and Ideas Discussions, where features and ideas are discussed.
Dozens? There are probably more people AFK in a system right now than people who have started a thread complaining about it.
It's not important. I want my curtains.
If someone can kill you or harm you in any way, or help someone else do so, or even relay intel, then they are not AFK.
You need to learn to play this game better.
This thread should be moved or locked. I'm issuing a troll rating of 3/10. |
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Miss Whippy
Bloody Limeys
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:19:00 -
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Holy Crap, no one told me you could extract tears by being AFK! All these years wasted when I could have been studying Punk Totem Poll carving.
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met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ghost of Truth wrote:(Sih)...You can discuss these there also... GǪor I can use this thread, on the topic of killing AFKing during the summer expansion, to discuss whether killing AKFing is even needed or if it's just a pointless waste of time because it's not really a problem. OP, rest assured, this is a HOT TOPIC and has been for a VERY long time. Those that refute or ignore it are simply trolling or have a personal interest insofar as denial of systems.
Ignore Tippia, he/she is a highsec carebear in a 100% taxed 4 man/woman corp and AFK cloaking is not even his/her range of expertise - as vast as he/she thinks it is.
We all know that denial of ratting to 0.0 dwellers (over time) will break the morale of smaller corps/alliances. It's a no-risk gaming technique and can be done by a 30 day alt fast asleep in bed. It's wrong, it's broken.
Gathering intel - an oft used reason to allow AFK cloaking - requires active participation and any decloaking mechanism would be no more than a minor inconvenience to an ACTIVE player.
This is just one potential solution.
There have been many other solutions put forward and I am positive CCP have it in their sights. They'd be stupid or very, very ignorant otherwise.
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Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:22:00 -
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haters gonna Hate, but stlll...
Bump Bump Bump my little trolling friends! |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:23:00 -
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Clementina wrote: If someone can kill you or harm you in any way, or help someone else do so, or even relay intel, then they are not AFK.
Clementina wrote: You need to learn to play this game better.
Yes. You do.
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baltec1
454
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:27:00 -
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Whenever I hop into my bomber for a trip to somewhere these threads always pop up |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
73
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:27:00 -
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met worst wrote:Tippia wrote:Ghost of Truth wrote:(Sih)...You can discuss these there also... GǪor I can use this thread, on the topic of killing AFKing during the summer expansion, to discuss whether killing AKFing is even needed or if it's just a pointless waste of time because it's not really a problem. OP, rest assured, this is a HOT TOPIC and has been for a VERY long time. Those that refute or ignore it are simply trolling or have a personal interest insofar as denial of systems. Ignore Tippia, he/she is a highsec carebear in a 100% taxed 4 man/woman corp and AFK cloaking is not even his/her range of expertise - as vast as he/she thinks it is. We all know that denial of ratting to 0.0 dwellers (over time) will break the morale of smaller corps/alliances. It's a no-risk gaming technique and can be done by a 30 day alt fast asleep in bed. It's wrong, it's broken. Gathering intel - an oft used reason to allow AFK cloaking - requires active participation and any decloaking mechanism would be no more than a minor inconvenience to an ACTIVE player. This is just one potential solution. There have been many other solutions put forward and I am positive CCP have it in their sights. They'd be stupid or very, very ignorant otherwise.
Your right it is a Tactic and it easily countered with good communication and an active alliance/corp. If your to lazy to bother to counter it why should CCP do it for you? You have no point as to why you can't and they should your just weak and should have your alliance corp fail if 1 guy in a cloaked ship can bring you to your knees.
Also petition CCP for your spine back, then come post with your main.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4382
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:30:00 -
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met worst wrote:OP, rest assured, this is a HOT TOPIC and has been for a VERY long time. No, it's a whined about topic that people have refused to solve on their own for a very long time because they're too lazy/stupid to make use of the myriad of tools at their disposal.
For an equally long time, the same whiners have had problems explaining what the actual issue is, and they adamantly refuse any attempt to go after the root causes of their issues.
Hell, the OP can't even explain why AFK:ing needs to be killed, so how on earth can it be even a slightly balmy issue, much less a hot one? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Whenever I hop into my bomber for a trip to somewhere these threads always pop up
Who said i have a problem with bombers!I Love Bombers...
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Momma Lovebone
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:32:00 -
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Yeah, I agree local should just be removed in null and delayed in low so a portrait there doesn't scare you. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
840
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:32:00 -
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Ghost of Truth wrote:haters gonna Hate, but stlll...
Bump Bump Bump my little trolling friends!
yes. more people should know what a little girl you are
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
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Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:33:00 -
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Momma Lovebone wrote:Yeah, I agree local should just be removed in null and delayed in low so a portrait there doesn't scare you. Or you know...move to WH....It all there in the game if you look :D |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:33:00 -
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Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:Your right it is a Tactic and it easily countered with good communication and an active alliance/corp. If your to lazy to bother to counter it why should CCP do it for you? You have no point as to why you can't and they should your just weak and should have your alliance corp fail if 1 guy in a cloaked ship can bring you to your knees.
Are you serious? Cloaky **MAY** be AFK and no amount of "communication" in even the best alliance can change that single fact.
Ask how many corps/alliances have a "do not rat/mine with cloaky in system" as SOP?
Then tell me again why you said what you did.
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Clementina
The Scope
45
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:36:00 -
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I know how to play this game quite well met worst.
Suppose Alice is in one of your systems AFK in a covert ops frigate, she says in local 'AFK be back later', Then goes to sleep for 8 hours, the goes to work for another 8 hours. During that time a large botting operation doesn't function because they don't know if Alice is AFK or not.
At the same time Bob is in a Tengu with a covert ops reconfiguration. He plays for 4 hours. First he gathers intel on your mining op and then relays that to your enemies who then come disrupt it, then he goes and ganks someone ratting, and after that he jumps to another system and cynos dozens of supercapitals on top of your fleet that was just forming. Tired, he flies to a safespot and logs off.
Alice was AFK for 16 hours Bob was playing hard for 4 hours. Who did more damage? When you can answer that, you can see why your whining about AFK cloakers looks so stupid to everyone else. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
840
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:37:00 -
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met worst wrote:Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:Your right it is a Tactic and it easily countered with good communication and an active alliance/corp. If your to lazy to bother to counter it why should CCP do it for you? You have no point as to why you can't and they should your just weak and should have your alliance corp fail if 1 guy in a cloaked ship can bring you to your knees.
Are you serious? Cloaky **MAY** be AFK and no amount of "communication" in even the best alliance can change that single fact. Ask how many corps/alliances have a "do not rat/mine with cloaky in system" as SOP? Then tell me again why you said what you did.
nobody said clokey, they said AFK, and someone who is AFK is AFK by definition
learn2read
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:met worst wrote:OP, rest assured, this is a HOT TOPIC and has been for a VERY long time. No, it's a whined about topic that people have refused to solve on their own for a very long time because they're too lazy/stupid to make use of the myriad of tools at their disposal. For an equally long time, the same whiners have had problems explaining what the actual issue is, and they adamantly refuse any attempt to go after the root causes of their issues. Hell, the OP can't even explain why AFK:ing needs to be killed, so how on earth can it be even a slightly balmy issue, much less a hot one? So HOW do you counter a AFK cloaker Tippia? Particularly from the safety of highsec.
There is NO counter. THAT'S the problem you idiot.
Take this to it's usual merry-go-round lack of conclusion mate. Easier if you just crosspost your drivel from your last attempt at derailing this topic.
If you DON'T KNOW why it's a problem, just stfu already. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
201
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:39:00 -
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met worst wrote: Are you serious? Cloaky **MAY** be AFK and no amount of "communication" in even the best alliance can change that single fact.
Whenever you undock you may also get blown up by any number of other players.
Still not seeing a problem here. Someone who is AFK can't do anything to you. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign
248
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:39:00 -
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you want to see the end of the afk bombers,
remove local, now you cant instantly see everyone in your systems, now you have no need to fear that afk guy you cant see him.
and if you must keep your local, ( because you know its one of the BEST instant lintel tools in EvE)
useing a cloke removes you from local. I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |
Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:39:00 -
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met worst wrote:Tippia wrote:met worst wrote:OP, rest assured, this is a HOT TOPIC and has been for a VERY long time. No, it's a whined about topic that people have refused to solve on their own for a very long time because they're too lazy/stupid to make use of the myriad of tools at their disposal. For an equally long time, the same whiners have had problems explaining what the actual issue is, and they adamantly refuse any attempt to go after the root causes of their issues. Hell, the OP can't even explain why AFK:ing needs to be killed, so how on earth can it be even a slightly balmy issue, much less a hot one? So HOW do you counter a AFK cloaker Tippia? Particularly from the safety of highsec. There is NO counter. THAT'S the problem you idiot. Take this to it's usual merry-go-round lack of conclusion mate. Easier if you just crosspost your drivel from your last attempt at derailing this topic. If you DON'T KNOW why it's a problem, just stfu already.
Dont be trolled my friend....
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baltec1
454
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:40:00 -
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met worst wrote: So HOW do you counter a AFK cloaker?
I use a raven. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:44:00 -
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Clementina wrote:I know how to play this game quite well met worst.
Suppose Alice is in one of your systems AFK in a covert ops frigate, she says in local 'AFK be back later', Then goes to sleep for 8 hours, the goes to work for another 8 hours. During that time a large botting operation doesn't function because they don't know if Alice is AFK or not.
At the same time Bob is in a Tengu with a covert ops reconfiguration. He plays for 4 hours. First he gathers intel on your mining op and then relays that to your enemies who then come disrupt it, then he goes and ganks someone ratting, and after that he jumps to another system and cynos dozens of supercapitals on top of your fleet that was just forming. Tired, he flies to a safespot and logs off.
Alice was AFK for 16 hours Bob was playing hard for 4 hours. Who did more damage? When you can answer that, you can see why your whining about AFK cloakers looks so stupid to everyone else. Then you'd also know that "Alice" can blops you when you THINK she's asleep. You simply don't know. Alice is effective REGARDLESS of her RL state.
Sure, I can counter Alice if/when she tries to attack but this is not the issue. That's the price of ratting/mining in 0.0 with the threat of blops. Goes with the territory.
But there is NO counter to someone sitting in a cloak (AFK or otherwise - a moot point) for days/weeks at a time PURELY for the purpose of system denial.
The threat is one thing, the purpose could be multiple reasons. The counter is nil. |
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