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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.08.17 00:08:00 -
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Sadly I think it has started to finally come to that.
The isk resellers are using macro scripts to send their eve mails out. It is the only explanation possible for the fact that I get eve mails from the same "disposable" on all my accounts within seconds of each other.
Tonight I've had the distinct displeasure of more than one disposable eve mailing me... on all my accounts. Furthermore, the list of recipients is being generated from stripping the toon names of anyone who has posted on the Eve Online forums. I can tell as none of my non-posting alts gets any of these mails yet one of my more obscure alts recently did make a post... and bang he's now on the share the love list.
It is no surprise that no matter what you do these people essentially will not disappear. Barring CCP fighting some legislative action that is. But the only thing you can do is to keep tightening the window of opportunity for them to abuse the system... and abuse us.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.17 00:39:00 -
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Let me just preempt this...
But if you would just post with your main, you'd have 1 mail to death with instead of 10.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.08.17 01:49:00 -
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Give us the option to ignore trial accounts and you don't have to take away their ability to send eve mails and totally gimp their ability to communicate at all.
They will still spam chats anyway.
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judes23
Griffin Empire Ultio Animi Causa
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Posted - 2007.08.17 02:07:00 -
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i love this idea,it will make them have to pay for there account ,and then get banned. lol
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Firkragg
Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.08.17 02:45:00 -
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all that would happen is people would start getting macro convos with the info in instead. I dont hae any problem with mails of this nature though ive had about two in the 9-10 months ive been playing. I assume they get their list from jita local as the first time i got one was when i went to jita to see what all the fuss was about.
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Kirex
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.17 03:00:00 -
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Limit their eve mails to 5-10 a day/
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Sarah Aubry
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.08.17 04:59:00 -
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The option to block evemails, chat (in rooms) and convos from all trial accounts would be greatly appreciated. I pay to play and have fun, spam should not be part of the game, there is enough in RL.
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.08.17 05:41:00 -
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That explains why I never get spam then seeing as this is a forum only alt
I think I've only ever logged him into the game once or twice.
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Lorissanna
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Posted - 2007.08.17 06:25:00 -
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Edited by: Lorissanna on 17/08/2007 06:27:27 Edited by: Lorissanna on 17/08/2007 06:25:53 Instead why doesn't CCP just filter out any chat and/or mail that contains the url for those sites that are selling ISK? A set of filters on their end or even programmable ones on our end would be better in my opinion.
I don't think blocking a whole segment of the population would be the "end all" solution.
Just my two cents.
EDIT: As for the theory that they are getting their lists from posters, I disagree. I received mails in game not less than an hour after I logged in game for the first time and I had not posted on the forums as of yet. In fact this is my second post and the first was 2 days or so ago.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari White Shadow Imperium Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.08.17 07:22:00 -
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The 5 eve-mails per day idea is brilliant. ________ [-WSI-] |
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra
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Posted - 2007.08.17 07:35:00 -
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Well look who's still playing!
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Karanth
Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.08.17 07:40:00 -
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I find that creative use of 1mil CSPA charges and allowed lists keeps my spam to essentially nothing.
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DJ P
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Posted - 2007.08.17 07:46:00 -
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Guys just relax. This issue has being addressed numerous times.
There is solution right now ingame about this. To ask from CCP create more code (and bugs) where remedy already exists is insane.
Just set a fee on your evemail settigs. 1500 is enough 3000 is better. All spam convos & mail will stop.
I would like a moderator to make it sticky please.
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Bellatrix Racell
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.17 08:50:00 -
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Sad to say raising the CPSA charge dosen't help, I'm up to 15,000 and it still comes in. The thought of going higher is there, but why penalize others to block a harasser violating the EULA?
And forum stripping program? I dunno, but my Industrial alt get's the spamm mail, and yet has never posted in the forums.
Rookie help, and Regional chat's seem to be the biggest culprits. When I speak in one, *BLAM* spam mail, when I close Rookie, and don't enter Amarr regional, I can go hours and not get anything.
Real shame, as I'm a Rookie, and need the services of the channel at times, and I chose amarr to RP. Where the Regional channel seems an outlet for other RP'ers; however, I tend to spend more time petitioning ISK spamm than making it.
A recent Dev convo via a petition, and a listen to CoffeeCup in Rookie chat shows they are as frustrated as we are, but something has to Give. As I can see many Rookies feeling this has a 'Korean MMO free to play, but buy item feel' with the constant badgering of gfdhgjfghsgfashjfghg for www.<Insertnameoffrackingpatheticplacehere>.com and not the monthly subscription of a game i choose to pay to play. ------< Official Sig demarkation line >--------
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Naomi Ai
Essence Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.17 09:13:00 -
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Deleting their mail takes like... 1 second? Sure it is major problem.
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.08.17 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Omega Man on 17/08/2007 09:21:49
Originally by: Naomi Ai Deleting their mail takes like... 1 second? Sure it is major problem.
Opening the evemail window, getting to the evemail, opening the evemail, scanning it to discover its spam, petitioning the idiot, deleting the evemail.
takes like.... 1 second?
Sure it is a major problem.
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.17 09:25:00 -
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i have mine at 1m isk. that 1m isk gets refunded if the mail or convo is legit.
and you normally get the spam mail going through noob systems -
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Naomi Ai
Essence Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.17 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man Edited by: Omega Man on 17/08/2007 09:21:49
Originally by: Naomi Ai Deleting their mail takes like... 1 second? Sure it is major problem.
Opening the evemail window, getting to the evemail, opening the evemail, scanning it to discover its spam, petitioning the idiot, deleting the evemail.
takes like.... 1 second?
Sure it is a major problem.
Click on mail, click to sort by new mail, click to read, click to delete. Maybe not 1 second, I guess 2 or 3 seconds then. You don't have to petition them. You want to add more nerf to trial accounts and waste CCP programmer's time becouse of 3 seconds?
I do not.
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.08.17 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: Omega Man on 17/08/2007 09:35:53
Originally by: Naomi Ai
Originally by: Omega Man Edited by: Omega Man on 17/08/2007 09:21:49
Originally by: Naomi Ai Deleting their mail takes like... 1 second? Sure it is major problem.
Opening the evemail window, getting to the evemail, opening the evemail, scanning it to discover its spam, petitioning the idiot, deleting the evemail.
takes like.... 1 second?
Sure it is a major problem.
Click on mail, click to sort by new mail, click to read, click to delete. Maybe not 1 second, I guess 2 or 3 seconds then. You don't have to petition them. You want to add more nerf to trial accounts and waste CCP programmer's time becouse of 3 seconds?
I do not.
Yes, i do petition them.
Why?
Coz i want the problem highlighted to them everytime it is a problem to me.
Say 10,000 petitions regarding ISK sellers a day might make CCP put it a bit higher on the list of things to sort out.
Just deleting the evemail and muttering about it is not.
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Naomi Ai
Essence Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.17 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man
Yes, i do petition them.
Why?
Coz i want the problem highlighted to them everytime it is a problem to me.
Say 100,000 petitions regarding ISK sellers a day might make CCP put it a bit higher on the list of things to sort out.
Just deleting the evemail and muttering about it is not.
I am sure GMs are happy to recieve 1000 petitions about every single Evemail spammer.
I am sure all ppl waiting in support queue with REAL problems are happy to wait longer cos you have to vent your spam frustration.
You are doing the problem a lot worse than it is.
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.08.17 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Ai
Originally by: Omega Man
Yes, i do petition them.
Why?
Coz i want the problem highlighted to them everytime it is a problem to me.
Say 100,000 petitions regarding ISK sellers a day might make CCP put it a bit higher on the list of things to sort out.
Just deleting the evemail and muttering about it is not.
I am sure GMs are happy to recieve 1000 petitions about every single Evemail spammer.
I am sure all ppl waiting in support queue with REAL problems are happy to wait longer cos you have to vent your spam frustration.
You are doing the problem a lot worse than it is.
Disable evemail on trial accounts and our problems and theirs are solved.
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Naomi Ai
Essence Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.17 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man Disable evemail on trial accounts and our problems and theirs are solved.
But trial accounts can't communicate. Trial accounts are reason why many Eve players started to play Eve. Nerfing them only becouse of so little thing like one spam per week isn't very smart.
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.17 10:41:00 -
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Some people than a lot if not most trial accounts connected at a given time are legitimate players...
Preventing this kind of spam will just make them look for other ways to spam. I'd rather delete some email (that make me money...) than having 2000 spam cans selling isk in noob systems, for example...
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.08.17 10:49:00 -
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Just send the petitions in.
Unless CCP want to alter the EULA to allow the selling of ISK I am sure they want to know who is breaking their rules.
What CCP choose to do about it is up to them.
People are saying that the isk sellers will move to another strategy.
Yep, they probably will, however right now they dont have too.
Once the rule breakers have altered strategy, time to find a remedy for that.
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Angela Toren
Amarr Toren Shipyards
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Posted - 2007.08.17 11:40:00 -
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It's a catch-22 situation for CCP and many other game developers.
If you severely limit the trial player experience its likely new players will say "this sucks" and not upgrade to a full account and then you've potentially lost 6-8+ months of subscription from an average player.
If you don't deal with the ISK spam in evemails, convos and channels then its likely some of your current full subscription players will also say "this sucks" to the point they may cancel or consider another game.
Banning trial accounts doesn't work as they are obviously creating new accounts via proxies.
The Solution
The truth is, it is impossible rid eve of isk spam without hurting the innocent playerbase or exponentially increasing GM's already demanding duties but there are solutions to lessen the problem:
1. Do NOT buy ISK - this is the No. 1 reason the farmers are here. Because people buy isk the farmers see that there's a market and set up camp. If you do not buy isk they will move on like the parasites they are to another MMO. There are so many easy ways to make ISk in EVE no one should ever be buying it regardless of how rich you are in RL.
2. Do not buy Gamecodes from EVE Players This imo is the method most ISK farmers use to launder or convert dirty money (stolen credit cards/paypal accounts etc used to buy the cards which are then sold for isk (untracable virtual money) then the isk is sold on to players via thier websites (hence the spam) or on to their gold/isk selling partners. Bulk buying of game codes with genuine money makes them a profit where they sell the code for higher price based on it's isk to cash value. E.g. if you buy a 90 day code for 400mil they are selling that 400mil isk on for more RL money than they bought the 90 day card for.
3. Limit trial accounts to 5 evemails per day - This will lessen the problem of automated scripts being used to spam the entire playerbase.
4. Allow full subscribers the option of ignoring or blocking evemail, chat text or convos from trial accounts. If you have a friend on trial you can add them to your friend list which makes them unblocked.
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Jaabaa
Minmatar Dental Drilling Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.17 11:47:00 -
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Look at my proposal, it doesn't nerf trial accounts, but gives the player base an "opt out" option. |
Jonny JoJo
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Posted - 2007.08.17 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lorissanna Edited by: Lorissanna on 17/08/2007 06:27:27 Edited by: Lorissanna on 17/08/2007 06:25:53 Instead why doesn't CCP just filter out any chat and/or mail that contains the url for those sites that are selling ISK? A set of filters on their end or even programmable ones on our end would be better in my opinion.
I don't think blocking a whole segment of the population would be the "end all" solution.
Just my two cents.
EDIT: As for the theory that they are getting their lists from posters, I disagree. I received mails in game not less than an hour after I logged in game for the first time and I had not posted on the forums as of yet. In fact this is my second post and the first was 2 days or so ago.
I dont think its that easy. Once they filter out a term, then people will just get around it, by adding in punchuation, or even the extreme of "google ABC, and hit im feeling lucky" When WOW did it, the sellers simple spammed ingame with their corpses to spell out the web address.
I can see some macroer spamming noobship wrecks 300km in front of jita 4-4 spelling out "Buy ISK, 10 Dolla! www.'''''.com" eventually.
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Daddy Xerox
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Posted - 2007.08.17 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Daddy Xerox on 17/08/2007 12:24:32 Well, I don't thinkt they'd need to add additional code... just the same thing every freemailer sevice offers.
A 'Mark as Spam' button.
Click that, the mail disappears and when enough clicks add up, they recieve a temporary ban on their ability to send mail. Enough more, and they're autobanned for 24 hours. Still more, and they're banned until they work out the problem with CCP (this will ensure that malicious use of the SPAM button to cause grief to legitimate players will get the abusers likewise banned for a time). By this route ISK sales spammers will quickly find themselves permabanned.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.08.17 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Angela Toren 3. Limit trial accounts to 5 evemails per day - This will lessen the problem of automated scripts being used to spam the entire playerbase.
This is a great idea I had not thought of to be honest. I also like the "opt out" idea as well. A check box that lets me auto refuse eve mail and convo's from trial accounts sounds even better. I don't like the idea of cutting off new players anymore than the next person but let's be pretty honest here... just how many eve mails does a new player need to be sending? They have school corp chat, rookie help, and other associated channels. If they have any real life friends, or even net friends, that they would contact they can do so via plenty of other means. (I.e. I couldn't contact Komisches on Wow when I first joined his server so I eve mailed him and e-mailed him.) As to the insignificant time it takes to handle each of every so many eve mails, per day, well I treat the situation like any customer should: 1 second of my day dealing with crap is 1 second too long. 2 seconds of my day etc., etc.. Any time a customer has to deal with insignificant crap, at any point, the provider needs to take that very seriously. And yes, my op was grousing. 1 second here and there has likely gotten to total up to at least a day for me. I petition and petition but all that does is eliminate that account. Yet another empty account on the database and a name-combination that is taken away and for what? To pointless activity that I doubt actually generates any sales. After all, those who want to buy isk will go looking for it. I don't buy it so I am disgusted when it intrudes into my day. And if that last reason isn't enough of motivation for CCP to take this matter seriously... then screw CCP too. PS: Yeah that ending is a bit bombastic and ott. Take it for what it is worth.
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aiaakii
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Posted - 2007.08.18 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad i have mine at 1m isk. that 1m isk gets refunded if the mail or convo is legit.
since you dont get the isk in the first place it is hardly a 'refund' essentially you are paying for people to convo/mail you...riiiiggght
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