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sb404
Caldari Fluffy Rabbit Killers
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Posted - 2007.08.19 01:07:00 -
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On a side note, I just hope Goonfleet did their homework and checked James315's background before allowing him into their inner circle of decision. When something's too good to be true, it often is.
sb404 Director of Internal Affairs
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CrispyKritters
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.08.19 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: CrispyKritters on 19/08/2007 01:10:53
Originally by: fdytf76ruygf86tr
"Stop insulting our intelligence and post with your main already, this is ridicules."
From a goon...omg
Goons have insulted their own intelligence far more than anyone else has. It must be tough to pull off the forum wiseguy smack with those man sigs tbh. As for being upset someone isn't posting with a main . . .just lol . . . goons loved the other non biased posts from James prior to him joing the swarm.
How does it make you feel to lose all those POSes and ships to those dumb goonies?
I thought there were no goons, how does something that doesn't exist insult their own intelligence?
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Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.19 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: sb404 On a side note, I just hope Goonfleet did their homework and checked James315's background before allowing him into their inner circle of decision. When something's too good to be true, it often is.
He was on an op with us earlier and pretty much everyone called him a spy, so we're way ahead of you. And he wasn't allowed into the swarm solely because of his posts, he has a long standing account at SA and applied like anyone else would have.
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sb404
Caldari Fluffy Rabbit Killers
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Posted - 2007.08.19 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Orangir
Originally by: sb404 On a side note, I just hope Goonfleet did their homework and checked James315's background before allowing him into their inner circle of decision. When something's too good to be true, it often is.
He was on an op with us earlier and pretty much everyone called him a spy, so we're way ahead of you. And he wasn't allowed into the swarm solely because of his posts, he has a long standing account at SA and applied like anyone else would have.
Glad to hear about that. Now, how about doing something about those sigs? I can't really browse forums at work anymore
sb404 Director of Internal Affairs
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Zell
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.08.19 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
Originally by: Khorian
Originally by: Scatim Helicon
Originally by: Khorian In closing I would like to say that I think the goons suck. The only way they will win this is by massive numeric superiority and with support of RA as the Shock Troop spearhead. The coalition would not be where they are today were it not for RA alone.
You're suggesting that a group of alliances would be collectively less powerful if one of those alliances were not present? Seriously, this is a shocking and revolutionary concept.
MIND.
BLOWN.
I didn't say "One of those alliances". I said specifically RA. RA is to the coalition what BoB is to the Alliance.
RA hasn't been on vacation for the past several months, like we keep hearing BOB was/still is.
Tuff scanning/finding enough complexs to support your habits eh?
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Fry Fortune
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.19 02:02:00 -
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Zhaine, are you just afraid goons will make a fuss about your alliances abuse of a certain bugged officer spawn system or something?
Or why does a thread about bob or goons concern you, as far as I know you've never even bothered to pvp against us even though you hate us so much. Posts like LALALAL just reinforce the mentality that anything in this forum is fair do's. Not our fault bob are trying to steal our tactic of forum silence to give themselves a better image.
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busta nut
Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.19 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: busta nut on 19/08/2007 04:22:30
Originally by: Mattduk Edited by: Mattduk on 17/08/2007 19:30:58 Nobody finds it interesting that he spends months explaining how BOB are losing, and then joins the Goons?!
It's been spin all along.
I know this character, I know his main, but I'll be buggered if I can remember who it is. If you look at his employment history you will see that he was in both Tactical Enterprise Group Ltd and The Older Gamers. Both of these corporations were in the momentous failure that was the Assembly of Ancients (as were we, and boy are we glad to be shot of them).
I have an inkling I know who his main is, and if I am right, then his main is in Destructive Influence [DICE.], who are, of course, BOB.
Regards Mattduk
Edit: P.S. If you look at the numbers against BOB, they should have been wiped out months ago. I think it's testament to a well organized and powerful alliance to have survived this long outnumbered.
BOB are the underdog in this fight, regardless of how many supercapitals they have, they are severely outnumbered by Goons alone. Goons have 4,353 members. Red Alliance has 1,372 members. A total of 5,725 pilots. BOB has 2,599, they are outnumbered more than 2 to 1 by 3,126 more pilots than they themselves can field. If you then add in the IACs, and, and, and, hell, and all the others, you've got quite a wall of what appears to be a rather incompetent group.
Like I said, BOB should have been wiped out months ago with these numbers stacked against them like this, but they are still here, and are still holding a hell of a lot of space.
WTF are redswarm playing at?
Good luck, BOB. For what it's worth, you've got my vote as the better side. (As if the numbers don't speak for themselves.)
someone probably flamed you already for this...but its late and ive not been keeping up on my reading...
what the hell are you smoking? you maths showing how badly bob are outnumbered are a little off.. you add goon and red alliance and iac and others vs bob, yet completely fail to mention the dozen or so "pet" alliances they have helping them out..admittedly redswarm have huge numbers, but last time i checked bob were by no-means alone in the fight.
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Fry Fortune
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.19 05:23:00 -
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whats even more hilarious is the bob killboard "fleet battles" link.
Apparently noone in the entire GBC has the coding knowledge to pull losses off the ISS, RMF, CORM, RISE, AXE, AA, EXE killboards or what the christ am I talking about they probably don't post losses anyway.
Basically if a RISE guy in a bob gang gets on a killmail they show up in the fleet battle as part of the bob gang, but if they lose their ship it doesn't show up in the stats.
Pretty much makes the whole fleet battle page pointless, though I guess when they made it they didn't have pets making up a big part of their fleets.
All part of the propaganda they want their own members to believe I guess, inflated performance ftw.
disclaimer: yeah a working fleet battle link on any killboard would be really cool, sadly noone is able to make it because of the way killboards work, ccp make one centralized one plzkthx.
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Veronique deEstelle
Gallente Advanced Technologies And Research Inc
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Posted - 2007.08.19 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man
Originally by: Value Added
Originally by: Omega Man
Originally by: Mr Broker I flew by 9-980U in an alt, and guess what?
There's only 4 BOB and 0 pets trying to defend their last deathstars in 9-9 during their prime time on their best day (saturday), what else needs to be said of BOB participation?
Are they still at their BBQ weekend? no Are they attacking RSF space somewhere else? no Are they fighting off the Frege roamers in Delve? no Are they helping RISE defend themselves? no Are they all carebearing? no Are they all logged on sisi perfecting the newest exploit? no
Are they even logged in at all?
Ahh well there we go, no argument can withstand this blast of logic and higher level analysis.
See you in another thread guys, this one has turned a corner into an alley I have no desire to follow, smack yourselves out.
You mean your pathetic line of spin has been exposed for the garbage that it is, and you're running off to try and find some other place to troll?
No I mean what I say.
There are more BOB pilots than ever before, they are killing more than ever before.
They are dying more than before, their k/d ratio is falling but it remains at levels Goons can only dream of.
Those are the facts.
Anyone wish to refute them, or just going to continue with the lame attacks?
You show that at a large increased member base BoB kills slightly more then 5 month ago. And lose a lot more^^ Im not sure that these numbers are propper to confirm or reject the claim of shrinking participation but if they do it seems to me that they confim James315 point of view.
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Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.08.19 06:27:00 -
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KB K/D statistics are statistically useless.
As long as they count edging on the bottom of a killmail as one complete kill it will never have any semblance of accuracy.
In actuallity you almost have to divide the kills by 4-6 to get a more accurate kill count.
If you really want to provide evidence you actually have to omit data that simply doesnt fit.
1) any bob kill/loss against a non-RSF ally needs to be omitted. 2) Kills need to be fractionalized based on # of participating pilots. (For example 4 bob and 4 RISE on killmail, bob gets .5 of a kill (while not completely accurate its much better than counting it as a complete kill)). Or count only the person who got the killing blow as getting the kill. (Law of averages here). 3) Count how many pilots from before the shinra merger and the finfleet merger actually are still around compared to the start of the war.
By the way, using the killboards logic, I have a 15:2 k/d ratio against bob.
I'm not saying that James 315's assertion of participation is correct or incorrect, just please use some valid evidence like actual fleet participation numbers instead of unrelated and statistically bad k:d ratios.
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Voculus
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.08.19 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Maksiim
Originally by: Value Added You mean your pathetic line of spin has been exposed for the garbage that it is, and you're running off to try and find some other place to troll?
I sense anger in this retort.
This thread always was and will always be a complete pile of steaming crap.
And yet, you can't resist the urge to keep posting in it. _________________________________________________________
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Kieranda
Weyland-Yutani Future Technologies Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.19 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: NO BRAKES They day goonfleet starts caring about their opinion in CAOD is the day a great many of us quit.
Remedial does count as "a great many of us", no?
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.08.19 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Fry Fortune Not our fault bob are trying to steal our tactic of forum silence to give themselves a better image.
They do it so much better.
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Johnny Ringo
A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.08.19 11:41:00 -
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Great read. Through all the boredom of isk-making, the lagfest battles and all the other issues of Eve, what keeps me coming back is the politics. Good job.
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Fo Kaj
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Posted - 2007.08.19 12:14:00 -
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Why has BoB been performing so badly when it was so invincible in the past? If only someone would answer that question in a three-part CAOD series. Oh wait
Nothing to do with 5 alliances v 1
rather pathetic tbh!!!
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Veronique deEstelle
Gallente Advanced Technologies And Research Inc
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Posted - 2007.08.19 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Flaminius So wait... BoB's proof of participation not going down is flawed, but James 315, who doesn't provide any proof, is right? The 'accused' has to provide the proof, and you can judge wether or not that proof is valid? Sounds kindof strange to me.
This is no court. The OP stated a thesis and everybody is free to prove him wrong. Untill he got proven wrong he is free to claim that his thesis is valid. Sounds pretty normal to me.
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Jacques Archambault
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:26:00 -
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Thread cleaned.
Please do not troll or flame. Alt posts will not be tolerated.
-Jacques
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: Shadowsword on 19/08/2007 13:35:39
Originally by: Fo Kaj Why has BoB been performing so badly when it was so invincible in the past? If only someone would answer that question in a three-part CAOD series. Oh wait
Nothing to do with 5 alliances v 1
rather pathetic tbh!!!
Yes, because we all know that Bob is all alone.
Bob isn't performing as well as usual because this time, their ennemis also have a lot of experience in large-scale pvp, that's all. ------------------------------------------
What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs. |
Kun'mi
Amarr DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kieranda
Originally by: NO BRAKES They day goonfleet starts caring about their opinion in CAOD is the day a great many of us quit.
Remedial does count as "a great many of us", no?
Judging by those illustrious pictures posted on these forums a few days ago, I would say yes, physically, he does account for slightly over half of eve's population.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.19 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Fo Kaj Why has BoB been performing so badly when it was so invincible in the past? If only someone would answer that question in a three-part CAOD series. Oh wait
Nothing to do with 5 alliances v 1
rather pathetic tbh!!!
RISE, DR, RMF, EXE (formerly SOCO and GONAD) and more are all sending large numbers of pilots to fight for BoB.
I seem to remember another alliance *****ing about being outnumbered as its pets were whittled away. With most of LV now in BoB this feels eerily close to deja vu. Signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected]) |
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dirtystockbird
Armoured Assassins The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.08.19 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man Participation rates seem to be a huge deal to the OP.
The claim is they are falling off and that BOB are making escuses for this happening.
Also BOB are being ground into the dust, this we been hearing for a few months now.
A massive wall of verbiage has fallen from this lick spittle's slack jaws on the subject.
So lets have a quick look.
BOB fleet battles this year: Jan 22 Feb 53 March 79 April 69 May 77 June 75 July 75.
Okay, so pretty stable there in terms of fleet battles.
What about the amount of killing they been doing.
March 3222 April 1927 May 2894 June 2561 July 3353.
Hmmm, so they have shot down more in July than previously.
What about dying:
March 445 April 305 May 538 June 686 July 828.
Hmmm, they been dying more as well.
So lets get this right. OP says participation is falling, coz he says so.
The known facts say: BOB fighting the same number of fleet battles. They are killing more They are dying more.
Goons are keen to tell anyone listening, they are pwning BOB in 9-9. They been saying that for many weeks now, isnt it about time the might of Goons and allies killed off those few stragglers BOB have left behind in their unseemly rush to escape?
Whats taking you so long?
BOB participation is falling, towers are coming out of reinforced at an incredible rate only 5 BOB are there to defend them?
Goons are either not telling the whole truth, hopeless ineffective, or a mixture of both.
As for James315 and his staff. Well the jokes are too numerous and obvious to bother. Make up your own punchlines.
The facts have no place in CAOD, only propaganda.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.19 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man
Originally by: Fry Fortune Not our fault bob are trying to steal our tactic of forum silence to give themselves a better image.
They do it so much better.
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Radgun
Minmatar Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.08.19 19:18:00 -
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great read dude and only found one typo!
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Delta3000
UK Corp FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.19 19:18:00 -
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/dead horse
One of the many critiscisms against LV was the mouthpiece that some of its members excercised on these very forums, on a regular basis. It was a driving force for many of the alliances who joined Goons and RA in the fight against us. Goons are doing exactly the same, and before very long that same motivation for removing LV will be the motivator for removing you too.
/flogged
^ My views, not my corp's nor alliance's.
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Martin VanBuren
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.19 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Delta3000 /dead horse
One of the many critiscisms against LV was the mouthpiece that some of its members excercised on these very forums, on a regular basis. It was a driving force for many of the alliances who joined Goons and RA in the fight against us. Goons are doing exactly the same, and before very long that same motivation for removing LV will be the motivator for removing you too.
/flogged
^ My views, not my corp's nor alliance's.
Hey dude check this out I am about to burn the crap outta you. Watch closely:
Delta3000 UK Corp FATAL Alliance
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SirPolle
Gallente Band of Developers
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Posted - 2007.08.19 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Director Stoned
who will be the successor CEO of YACAODI1MAC?
Major plot twist: Remedial.
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Xyton Zatnox
Aku Soku Zan
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Posted - 2007.08.19 20:51:00 -
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good writeup.
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Gaius Flaminius
No Reason To Fear
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Posted - 2007.08.19 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Montasque You actually expect us to believe that you are just a non-biased observer who happens to be in a one man corp who knows a lot about the BoB/Goon situation?
I really don't care what you believe. I am just asking for the forum war to take on proper proportions, and for people to stop with the personal attacks over a game.
I also know just about squat about the BoB/Goon situation (except for what I read on these forums), but the fact that I left the game because of the BoB/cheating/chest beating thing, only to come back to a Goon/even worse chest beating thing sets me in a bad mood. You are not doing yourselves or Eve any favors with this behaviour.
Originally by: Montasque
Stop insulting our intelligence and post with your main already, this is ridicules.
As I said, believe what you wish. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
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Gaius Flaminius
No Reason To Fear
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Posted - 2007.08.19 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Veronique deEstelle This is no court. The OP stated a thesis and everybody is free to prove him wrong. Untill he got proven wrong he is free to claim that his thesis is valid. Sounds pretty normal to me.
So the OP can cook up a bunch of lies (for all we know), without backing it up with any form of evidence, and we have to regard that as valid until someone can prove differently? Yeah, sounds right. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
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Kieranda
Weyland-Yutani Future Technologies Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.19 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Veronique deEstelle This is no court. The OP stated a thesis and everybody is free to prove him wrong. Untill he got proven wrong he is free to claim that his thesis is valid. Sounds pretty normal to me.
I have been to Mars lately, can only recommend the canyon tours there during summer. However this holiday trip is only available to a selected few high ups in various governments and everyone involved will deny any knowledge of it. Except for me, the black helicopters should appear soon. Until you can prove me wrong of course.
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