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Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.18 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Ivanhoe Congratulations James315.
You have just proven yourself as big a *****-sucker as CCP.
You are both sucking Goonie *****.
CCP because they are scared that goonies will threadnaught them. And you because your scared that you will be discovered for what you really are - irrelevent.
DEVELOPERSWARM
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.08.18 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: NATMav
Originally by: Omega Man
What about the amount of killing they been doing.
March 3222 April 1927 May 2894 June 2561 July 3353.
Hmmm, so they have shot down more in July than previously.
What about dying:
March 445 April 305 May 538 June 686 July 828.
Hmmm, they been dying more as well.
So lets get this right. OP says participation is falling, coz he says so.
The known facts say: BOB fighting the same number of fleet battles. They are killing more They are dying more.
If you also bothered to calculate K:D ratio, you would also notice that as BoB has increased in size, their efficiency has gotten progressively worse.
Just comparing March to July tells the story. They lost nearly twice as many ships for roughly the same amount of kills.
Quite true and they are fighting a different war in the two periods you highlight.
There is however no evidence participation levels are dropping and they are killing more than ever.
The point of the post was to put that idea to rest once and for all.
Yep the k-d ratio is falling.
Anyone wish to explain to me the relevance of that, or is it just something else people say without fully understanding what it is they are talking about.
Maybe when BOB are as big as the forces opposing them they will have fallen to a 1:1 ratio, but it seems unlikely and if it does happen what relevance is it?
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Korah
Caldari Heavy Metal Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2007.08.18 17:18:00 -
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This is what I like, statements backed up by proof. James, why is it that you write pages and pages of 'facts' but provide no such numbers to back it up?
What I see below certainly doesn't look like what you've been telling us.
Originally by: Omega Man Participation rates seem to be a huge deal to the OP.
The claim is they are falling off and that BOB are making escuses for this happening.
Also BOB are being ground into the dust, this we been hearing for a few months now.
A massive wall of verbiage has fallen from this lick spittle's slack jaws on the subject.
So lets have a quick look.
BOB fleet battles this year: Jan 22 Feb 53 March 79 April 69 May 77 June 75 July 75.
Okay, so pretty stable there in terms of fleet battles.
What about the amount of killing they been doing.
March 3222 April 1927 May 2894 June 2561 July 3353.
Hmmm, so they have shot down more in July than previously.
What about dying:
March 445 April 305 May 538 June 686 July 828.
Hmmm, they been dying more as well.
So lets get this right. OP says participation is falling, coz he says so.
The known facts say: BOB fighting the same number of fleet battles. They are killing more They are dying more.
Goons are keen to tell anyone listening, they are pwning BOB in 9-9. They been saying that for many weeks now, isnt it about time the might of Goons and allies killed off those few stragglers BOB have left behind in their unseemly rush to escape?
Whats taking you so long?
BOB participation is falling, towers are coming out of reinforced at an incredible rate only 5 BOB are there to defend them?
Goons are either not telling the whole truth, hopeless ineffective, or a mixture of both.
As for James315 and his staff. Well the jokes are too numerous and obvious to bother. Make up your own punchlines.
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CrispyKritters
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.08.18 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: CrispyKritters on 18/08/2007 17:34:10 Edited by: CrispyKritters on 18/08/2007 17:33:40
Originally by: Korah This is what I like, statements backed up by proof. James, why is it that you write pages and pages of 'facts' but provide no such numbers to back it up?
What I see below certainly doesn't look like what you've been telling us.
Originally by: Omega Man Participation rates seem to be a huge deal to the OP.
The claim is they are falling off and that BOB are making escuses for this happening.
Also BOB are being ground into the dust, this we been hearing for a few months now.
A massive wall of verbiage has fallen from this lick spittle's slack jaws on the subject.
So lets have a quick look.
BOB fleet battles this year: Jan 22 Feb 53 March 79 April 69 May 77 June 75 July 75.
Okay, so pretty stable there in terms of fleet battles.
What about the amount of killing they been doing.
March 3222 April 1927 May 2894 June 2561 July 3353.
Hmmm, so they have shot down more in July than previously.
What about dying:
March 445 April 305 May 538 June 686 July 828.
Hmmm, they been dying more as well.
So lets get this right. OP says participation is falling, coz he says so.
The known facts say: BOB fighting the same number of fleet battles. They are killing more They are dying more.
Goons are keen to tell anyone listening, they are pwning BOB in 9-9. They been saying that for many weeks now, isnt it about time the might of Goons and allies killed off those few stragglers BOB have left behind in their unseemly rush to escape?
Whats taking you so long?
BOB participation is falling, towers are coming out of reinforced at an incredible rate only 5 BOB are there to defend them?
Goons are either not telling the whole truth, hopeless ineffective, or a mixture of both.
As for James315 and his staff. Well the jokes are too numerous and obvious to bother. Make up your own punchlines.
ahahahahahahaha
I hear 80% of statistics are true. K/D ratios worked well for LV, why wouldn't it work for BoB?
You also conveniently neglected a Titan loss, 40 or so large POSes for 5, and pet losses
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DoctorGonzo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.18 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: CrispyKritters ahahahahahahaha
I hear 80% of statistics are true. K/D ratios worked well for LV, why wouldn't it work for BoB?
Another goon only reading what they want to read
No one is talking about k/d ratio, they are talking about particpation - we're killing more and dying more therefore our participation can't be down. Do you understand now? Probably not because it proves James 90210 is full of sh*te.
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CrispyKritters
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.08.18 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: CrispyKritters on 18/08/2007 17:43:52
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CrispyKritters
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.08.18 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: CrispyKritters on 18/08/2007 17:48:34 Edited by: CrispyKritters on 18/08/2007 17:46:46 Edited by: CrispyKritters on 18/08/2007 17:46:28
Originally by: DoctorGonzo
Originally by: CrispyKritters ahahahahahahaha
I hear 80% of statistics are true. K/D ratios worked well for LV, why wouldn't it work for BoB?
Another goon only reading what they want to read
No one is talking about k/d ratio, they are talking about particpation - we're killing more and dying more therefore our participation can't be down. Do you understand now? Probably not because it proves James 90210 is full of sh*te.
Quote: What about the amount of killing they been doing.
March 3222 April 1927 May 2894 June 2561 July 3353.
Hmmm, so they have shot down more in July than previously.
What about dying:
March 445 April 305 May 538 June 686 July 828.[/quotes]
Sounds like a K/D ratio to me, your killboard neglects certain pet losses but adds pet kills. BoB + ally participation may be high but BoB participation has generally gone down.
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DoctorGonzo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.18 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: CrispyKritters
Sounds like a K/D ratio to me, your killboard neglects certain pet losses but adds pet kills
OMG - you really are stupid aren't you?
The stats were presented to prove that James 90120 was wrong about bobs participation being down - no one other you is talking about k/d ratio.
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CrispyKritters
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.08.18 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: CrispyKritters on 18/08/2007 17:53:19 Edited by: CrispyKritters on 18/08/2007 17:51:33
Originally by: DoctorGonzo
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Sounds like a K/D ratio to me, your killboard neglects certain pet losses but adds pet kills
OMG - you really are stupid aren't you?
The stats were presented to prove that James 90120 was wrong about bobs participation being down - no one other you is talking about k/d ratio.
You mean with wrong stats? Post more personal insults, it is quite amusing
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Meihui
Gallente Macabre Votum INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.18 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: DoctorGonzo
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Sounds like a K/D ratio to me, your killboard neglects certain pet losses but adds pet kills
OMG - you really are stupid aren't you?
The stats were presented to prove that James 90120 was wrong about bobs participation being down - no one other you is talking about k/d ratio.
But isnt he using K / D ratio to "prove" that participation has gone up?
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DoctorGonzo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.18 17:57:00 -
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No, he's not even talking about ratios - he's talking about numbers of kills and numbers of deaths separately to prove that participation is not down. No where does he divide the number of kills by the number of deaths to come up with the ratio. He mearly states both are up, so how can participation be down.
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Maksiim
Doom and Gloom Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.08.18 17:59:00 -
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NITPICKERS UNITE!!11!!11
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DoctorGonzo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.18 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Maksiim NITPICKERS UNITE!!11!!11
I agree, I was boring myself typing the last post.
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.18 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: DoctorGonzo James 90210
I dont care about much else in this thread but that made me giggle. Sadly, it proves that, not only was I a fan (for a short time!), I'm getting old too.
/Lowa
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Recluse XXX
TAOSP
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Posted - 2007.08.18 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lowa I'm getting old too.
Indeed...
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Farjung > That is either a very young boy or a female, I cant tell wich!
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.18 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: LordChaos
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Quickly , spam link to this post so the rest of the goon circle jerking brigade starts foaming at the mouth in your alliance chat
LOL Yazoul
"BoB is the greatest alliance ever" "They won both Tourneys and that proves how uber pvp skilled they are"
and u said that to me 1 week after u join BoB lol
hope u having fun though :)
And none of that is true ?
Shouldnt you be quiting or have already quit coz u have whined ur butt off about amarr ships already ?
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.18 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Snowden Vel on 18/08/2007 18:42:14 Edited by: Snowden Vel on 18/08/2007 18:41:16
Originally by: DoctorGonzo No one is talking about k/d ratio, they are talking about particpation - we're killing more and dying more therefore our participation can't be down. Do you understand now? Probably not because it proves James 90210 is full of sh*te.
1) Killing more proves nothing relative to BoB participation. BoB posts all the killmails they're on, and when they're still the largest group in a fleet they'll likely be on most all of the killmails. In a 100 man fleet with 80 BoB and a 100 man fleet with 50 BoB, nearly the same number of kills will likely appear on BoB's killboard.
2) Dying more does not prove a higher rate of participation, it just proves a higher proportion of fleet members have been dying in engagements, e.g. the BoB fleet that was virtually annihilated in 9-9 a couple of days ago.
3) Finfleet's sudden inclusion boosts the figures on both ends. Suddenly all their losses and previously non-BoB kills are skewing the data relative to the previous statistics.
The numbers you're citing as "proof" are extremely flimsy when used in the service of the argument you're putting forward.
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Jager Narses
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.18 19:00:00 -
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Never thought I'd see the day when BoB was bragging about losing more and more ships each month.
Losing more ships doesn't mean participation is higher, it just means you've lost more ships. The only real measure of participation is to see how many BoB are in the gangs that are going into battles, and that number is lower. Just because BoB is losing more fleet battles, and subsequently more ships, doesn't mean they have more people in the fight.
The real failing of the "loss = participation" method is that anyone who doesn't lose a ship doesn't count as participating.
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Gaius Flaminius
No Reason To Fear
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Posted - 2007.08.18 19:16:00 -
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So wait... BoB's proof of participation not going down is flawed, but James 315, who doesn't provide any proof, is right? The 'accused' has to provide the proof, and you can judge wether or not that proof is valid? Sounds kindof strange to me.
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Scavok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.18 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Scavok on 18/08/2007 19:23:39 We pretty much lost just as many if not more ships during the Titan Online days as we did before the most recent war with BoB, despite our participation being at it's lowest point ever. The statistics don't mean anything.
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.08.18 19:41:00 -
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So lets get this straight.
OP has been saying BOB are crumbling for some months now.
During these months BOB has increased in number. They are killing more foe. They are dying in greater numbers.
The k:d ratio is falling, but I'd rather have BOBs k'd than Goons.
August not included in stats because its the 18th of the month. However it is shaping up to be at least on par with July, but who can tell till its over. So lets not make a conspiracy theory about why August is not included, even those with half a brain can understand why its not.
Now I can see why Goons and their lick spittle alts are keen to rubbish the stats as fast as possible.
Certainly it might divert attention from the fact for some weeks now they have been telling us how they are smashing BOB in 9-9.
But the system just never seems to remain in their hands for more than a few hours.
What you playing at Goons? James315 been telling everyone for months BOB is on its knees. Goons been telling everyone for weeks they are taking 9-9
What the hell is keeping you?
The facts are. BOB is bigger than ever and BOB is killing more of you than ever before.
I dont mind some facts proving me wrong, it will be a lot more interesting than the usual Goon and lick spittle alts nonsense and smoke screens pretending to be facts.
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Kirah Ovai
Altcenaries
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Posted - 2007.08.18 19:49:00 -
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Oh god, if it's true that BOB activity is at an all time high, you Goonies will be so screwed once their summer slump is over! I mean everyone knows that the bobbits got better things to do during summertime then play games, right? Right. Just you wait and see... it'll start any day now!!
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Gaius Flaminius
No Reason To Fear
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Posted - 2007.08.18 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kirah Ovai Oh god, if it's true that BOB activity is at an all time high, you Goonies will be so screwed once their summer slump is over! I mean everyone knows that the bobbits got better things to do during summertime then play games, right? Right. Just you wait and see... it'll start any day now!!
Don't be stupid. All we're saying is that James 315 is full of ****. Wether or not BoB will turn the war around remains to be seen. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
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Jack Archer
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.18 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Archer on 18/08/2007 19:57:29
Originally by: Omega Man Edited by: Omega Man on 18/08/2007 19:51:21 So lets get this straight.
Goons been telling everyone for weeks they are taking 9-9
What the hell is keeping you?
Who has sov in 9-9? What level?
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Mr Broker
Station Gremlings
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Posted - 2007.08.18 20:00:00 -
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I flew by 9-980U in an alt, and guess what?
There's only 4 BOB and 0 pets trying to defend their last deathstars in 9-9 during their prime time on their best day (saturday), what else needs to be said of BOB participation?
Are they still at their BBQ weekend? no Are they attacking RSF space somewhere else? no Are they fighting off the Frege roamers in Delve? no Are they helping RISE defend themselves? no Are they all carebearing? no Are they all logged on sisi perfecting the newest exploit? no
Are they even logged in at all?
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.08.18 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Archer Edited by: Jack Archer on 18/08/2007 19:57:29
Originally by: Omega Man Edited by: Omega Man on 18/08/2007 19:51:21 So lets get this straight.
Goons been telling everyone for weeks they are taking 9-9
What the hell is keeping you?
Who has sov in 9-9? What level?
Goons do, and it looks like one of the major killing grounds of the war.
Your being bleed to death in there keeping it.
All those non-participating BOB pilots we hear so much about doing it.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.18 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man
Goons been telling everyone for weeks they are taking 9-9
What the hell is keeping you?
9-9 has been safely in our hands for almost a month now. The fact is that BoB is losing billions in assets left behind there as we tear down their remaining towers and is alternately powerless and unwilling to stop us. We killed 16 BoB POSes there yesterday and more today, and their one serious attempt to stop the bleeding ended in 60 dead BoB and pet battleships. How do you spin that as anything less than a complete failure on their part?
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.18 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man
Originally by: Jack Archer
Who has sov in 9-9? What level?
Goons do, and it looks like one of the major killing grounds of the war.
Your being bleed to death in there keeping it.
You're delusional.
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.08.18 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Broker I flew by 9-980U in an alt, and guess what?
There's only 4 BOB and 0 pets trying to defend their last deathstars in 9-9 during their prime time on their best day (saturday), what else needs to be said of BOB participation?
Are they still at their BBQ weekend? no Are they attacking RSF space somewhere else? no Are they fighting off the Frege roamers in Delve? no Are they helping RISE defend themselves? no Are they all carebearing? no Are they all logged on sisi perfecting the newest exploit? no
Are they even logged in at all?
Ahh well there we go, no argument can withstand this blast of logic and higher level analysis.
See you in another thread guys, this one has turned a corner into an alley I have no desire to follow, smack yourselves out.
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Montasque
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.18 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man Edited by: Omega Man on 18/08/2007 19:51:21 So lets get this straight.
OP has been saying BOB are crumbling for some months now.
During these months BOB has increased in number. They are killing more foe. They are dying in greater numbers.
The k:d ratio is falling, but I'd rather have BOBs k'd than Goons.
August not included in stats because its the 18th of the month. However it is shaping up to be at least on par with July, but who can tell till its over. So lets not make a conspiracy theory about why August is not included, even those with half a brain can understand why its not.
Now I can see why Goons and their lick spittle alts are keen to rubbish the stats as fast as possible.
Certainly it might divert attention from the fact for some weeks now they have been telling us how they are smashing BOB in 9-9.
But you still struggle to keep it.
What you playing at Goons? James315 been telling everyone for months BOB is on its knees. Goons been telling everyone for weeks they are taking 9-9
What the hell is keeping you?
The facts are. BOB is bigger than ever and BOB is killing more of you than ever before.
I dont mind some facts proving me wrong, it will be a lot more interesting than the usual Goon and lick spittle alts nonsense and smoke screens pretending to be facts.
Look itÆs a forum troll from a one man alt corp.
HereÆs a pro tip for your next trolling adventure chuckles; at least try to cover your bs up in some truth. That way people wont laugh at your pathetic troll and instead bite for it.
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