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SEYKACHU
Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: SEYKACHU on 19/08/2007 13:41:43 Edited by: SEYKACHU on 19/08/2007 13:39:13 Edited by: SEYKACHU on 19/08/2007 13:34:03 In any PvE situation you have 2 damage types, that the target is sensitive too. The mistake usually is to load Multifrequencys allround which reduces your range heavily and we might not want to do that.
Radio M and Microwave M is a good combination of chrystals in one pulse laser fitting for those that want to max range and rely on t2 pulse lasers. The lasers will both home in around the 20 Km mark (60% - 40% difference in my case means 23 - 20 km).
Of key importance is that the Microwave also does damage in the Thermal field. This is why it is a good combination with Radio. All other will differ in range too much. The idea is then that with a split of Radio and Microwave on pulse lasers we will have an ok damage spectrum AND range. Any other chrystal combination will shrink range or spectrum quite. Of course if you don't care for range, then this discussuion does not matter as you could then (as I often have in the past) fit Multifrequency all round go in close and tank like mad.
But if you have a high Rate of Fire setup and like keeping range to be able to use it whilst tanking on a Med Rep II, with lots of Cap, depleting your targets quickly ; then this setup can be useful...
The basic facts mentioned above then as illustrated :
This output is for many PvE situations very rewarding. I take it that some would regard Faction Chrystals in PvE an overkill. But if u like me like being safe and like tweaking your things then by all means.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:27:00 -
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SEYKACHU
Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:28:00 -
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Well based on reading the text I would say that I am saying that that Radio M and Microwave M is a good combination of chrystals in one pulse laser fitting for those that want to max range and still rely on t2 pulse lasers.
Originally by: Shadowsword Err, what are you trying to say?
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 19/08/2007 13:40:14 Are you saying that a radio crystal is good? The ammarian forumbrigade is coming for you now. Btw on the damage part, you are wrong. MF has more EM and thermal @ the same time, resulting in more DPS but less cap for tanking, thats true. _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Katashi Ishizuka
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:40:00 -
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Seykachu, I want to introduce you to Scorch M sometime...
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:42:00 -
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That's what I undestood, but that doesn't make sense.
When you use ammos on guns, you put the same type on each gun, that's basic 101. Doing otherwise degrade your firepower.
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SEYKACHU
Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:44:00 -
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Multifrequency is something I used for months. I prefer this setup on my Maller any time. If you actually bother reading, you will discover that.
Close range fighters will of course think differently. But I am able to take down around 15 targets on level 2 before any get in range and before my shields even start being hit. Whilst you relying on Multifrequency, keep tankin your cap out, thinking your damage potential will be much better. I tried that.
Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 19/08/2007 13:40:14 Are you saying that a radio crystal is good? The ammarian forumbrigade is coming for you now. Btw on the damage part, you are wrong. MF has more EM and thermal @ the same time, resulting in more DPS but less cap for tanking, thats true.
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SEYKACHU
Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: SEYKACHU on 19/08/2007 13:46:09 Scorch is something I used for months. Not enough range. I prefer this setup on my Maller any time. If you actually bother reading, you will discover that.
Close range fighters will of course think differently. But I am able to take down around 15 targets on level 2 before any get in range and before my shields even start being hit. Whilst you relying on Scorch, keep tankin your cap out, thinking your damage potential will be much better. I tried that.
I am well aware of that Scorch does more damage. But when all balances out this in actual setup is better than my Scorch setup. I of course have Scorch in my cargo.
Originally by: Katashi I****uka Seykachu, I want to introduce you to Scorch M sometime...
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SEYKACHU
Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: SEYKACHU on 19/08/2007 13:49:37 Yes I would assume that that is the case with guns. My research tells me so. However this is not about guns so if you want desperately to say something without sticking to the discussion why not post a new topic about GUNS ?
As a Flashdeveloper my spelling sucks by nature.
Respectfully, over a cup of black Java and some papers.
Originally by: Shadowsword That's what I undestood, but that doesn't make sense.
When you use ammos on guns, you put the same type on each gun, that's basic 101. Doing otherwise degrade your firepower.
PS: It's Crystals, not Chrystals.
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Katashi Ishizuka
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:53:00 -
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Hey.
You're wrong.
Sansha Radio M has a <1km optimal advantage over Scorch M but does a whopping 50% less damage, while only using 20% more cap (i.e., .3/s). There is absolutely no situation where you would prefer to use Sansha Radio M when you can use Scorch M.
Your misinformation is quite dangerous to newbies. Please edit your post.
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Icek Villawrov
Vertigo One
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:56:00 -
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If it is the thermal damage you are after, then fit only the microwave. The fallof distance will mean that you will still be getting hits at ranges of 24km and lower. But you will probably say that the radio will give you the ability to hit out to 27km, BUT, you will only be hitting with your radio ammo, which is only half of your firepower.
Pie > Cake Now that depends on the pie, if its apple then pie > cake - Xorus
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SEYKACHU
Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: SEYKACHU on 19/08/2007 13:59:06 Only using 20 percent more cap? And how much does a cap recharger or a a power relay II give you?
I said this is a high RoF setup. I would also like to add, it is an economically viable alternative.
But most of all: 20 percent is a hellofa a difference when ur wanting to hit hard, repeatedly, over a sustained time, with massive cap.
Eherm.
Originally by: Katashi I****uka Edited by: Katashi I****uka on 19/08/2007 13:55:36 Hey.
You're wrong.
Sansha Radio M has a <2km optimal advantage over Scorch M but does a whopping 50% less damage, while only using 20% more cap (i.e., .3/s). There is absolutely no situation where you would prefer to use Sansha Radio M when you can use Scorch M, considering you can fit HALF as many guns to do the same damage as the guy with Radio M which will save more cap if "sustainability" is what you are concerned about.
Your misinformation is quite dangerous to newbies. Please edit your post.
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SEYKACHU
Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.19 14:06:00 -
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3 times 11 gives and 2 times 8.8 in EM (across 5 lasers) gives more than 5 times 8.8 (as in only using Microwave).
I said I want to throw in some Thermal, thus the microwave, which works good. The optimal range difference between 27 and 24 km is hardly a problem.
It is not as if you miss, at 27, and hit, at 24. You will hit fine in the range.
If not I would not fly around with this setup. Allround microwaves, Ive tried.
Originally by: Icek Villawrov If it is the thermal damage you are after, then fit only the microwave. The fallof distance will mean that you will still be getting hits at ranges of 24km and lower. But you will probably say that the radio will give you the ability to hit out to 27km, BUT, you will only be hitting with your radio ammo, which is only half of your firepower.
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Katashi Ishizuka
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Posted - 2007.08.19 14:07:00 -
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I think you have trouble admitting you are wrong.
I am willing to bet 500 million ISK, or about 6 months of your level 2 mission running that I can make a sustainable Maller fit with Scorch M that outdamages and out-tanks your Sansha Radio M fit.
Y/N?
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Altai Saker
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.08.19 14:11:00 -
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you = wrong
http://www.omniscient-order.com/
Sahwoolo Etoophie is a noob! Noob and proud -Sahwoolo
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SEYKACHU
Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.19 14:13:00 -
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Eheheherm.
Since I have Scorch M purchased and since I used scorch M i am well aware of that you can make a fitting with more damage as basically it does more damage.
At present however the sacrifice of more cap is not something I prefer. If you prefer that then fine. It is "foreseeable" that I will in the future use a Scorch only setup as soon as I have some good rigs for that purpose (energy).
Remember, that the coffe and the sun is always with you.
Originally by: Katashi I****uka I think you have trouble admitting you are wrong.
I am willing to bet 500 million ISK, or about 6 months of your level 2 mission running that I can make a sustainable Maller fit with Scorch M that outdamages and out-tanks your Sansha Radio M fit.
Y/N?
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SEYKACHU
Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.19 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: SEYKACHU on 19/08/2007 14:18:03
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SEYKACHU
Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.19 14:18:00 -
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I have for months flown around with multis fitted, or scorch. Me = likes this distribution as I keep cap and keep distance and whilst Scorch does great damage it does make me worry about cap AT PRESENT.
But perhaps not in the future.
It is forseeable that in the future I will rely more on Scorch.
Thankyou, for today.
Originally by: Altai Saker you = wrong
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2007.08.19 14:31:00 -
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i like cheese, its cheesy.
thoughts?
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Katashi Ishizuka
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Posted - 2007.08.19 14:31:00 -
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A Heavy Pulse Laser II uses 1.1 cap/s to fire Sansha Radio M? And 1.3 cap/s to fire Scorch M?
Scorch M does TWICE AS MUCH DAMAGE as Sansha Radio M?
If you are short on cap you CAN TURN OFF HALF OF YOUR GUNS and achieve the same damage with Scorch M loaded vs. Sansha Radio M? If you could theoretically turn off 2.5 guns then this would be a cap savings of 40% compared to Sansha Radio M?
To cover the total .2cap/s deficit by 5 guns, or 1 cap/s, you can fit one capacitor power relay which grants ~3.5 cap/s on the first CPR, and this number increases as you fit more capacitor modules.
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SEYKACHU
Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.19 14:34:00 -
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If you have nothing to feedback to this forum, then guess what you can do?
Go play with your idols Phil Collins and Linoel Richie instead. I'm sure they can give you a ****.
Originally by: Dr Fighter i like cheese, its cheesy.
thoughts?
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SEYKACHU
Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.19 14:38:00 -
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I understand ur frustration. This is my setup:
5 x t2 Focused Medium Pulse Laser (2 Sansha Radio M; 3 Sansha Microwave M) 1 Auto Targeting System 1 - +2 Targets
- Notice the chrystal combination: This gives u a range of 23-20 km and more with better skills.
Mid Slots:
10 Mn Afterburner 2 Cap Recharger II
- No webber here, as we want max cap rate in this fitting, and movability.
Low Slots:
3x Heatsink I 1 Auto gain control tracking enhancer I 1 Medium Armor Repairer II 1 Capacitor Power Relay II
Yes, with Scorch this would work fine as well, I agree. You have a point fn the deficit.
I admit it. We live and learn. Now. Where are my papers and my coffe.
Originally by: Katashi I****uka A Heavy Pulse Laser II uses 1.1 cap/s to fire Sansha Radio M? And 1.3 cap/s to fire Scorch M?
Scorch M does TWICE AS MUCH DAMAGE as Sansha Radio M?
If you are short on cap you CAN TURN OFF HALF OF YOUR GUNS and achieve the same damage with Scorch M loaded vs. Sansha Radio M? If you could theoretically turn off 2.5 guns then this would be a cap savings of 40% compared to Sansha Radio M?
To cover the total .2cap/s deficit by 5 guns, or 1 cap/s, you can fit one capacitor power relay which grants ~3.5 cap/s on the first CPR, and this number increases as you fit more capacitor modules.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2007.08.19 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Fighter on 19/08/2007 14:40:09 i added nothing to a thread about nothing.
ohnoes.
seriously what is this threads point exactly, what are you actually discussing?
you like to use TS radio and microwave CRYSTALS, even tho they cost more and do half the dmg compared to the obviously better scorch - good for you
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2007.08.19 15:00:00 -
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ok you don't need 2 threads for this but i'll say it again
radio sucks look at the damage it's pants
secondly if you use radio and microwave at the same time on an even split half your weapons won't be doing any damage half the time why do you want to do half your damage?
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SEYKACHU
Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.19 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: SEYKACHU on 19/08/2007 15:16:56 I am saying that I used the setup discussed and completed all level twos with ease with it. Is that clear enough for you. If you keep yourself to the discussion then fine.
Otherwise go post in a garbage can cause posts not related to anything but "oh I am so bored with this post", does not need to be posted.
Yes or No= ?
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quote=Dr Fighter]Edited by: Dr Fighter on 19/08/2007 14:40:09 i added nothing to a thread about nothing.
ohnoes.
seriously what is this threads point exactly, what are you actually discussing?
you like to use TS radio and microwave CRYSTALS, even tho they cost more and do half the dmg compared to the obviously better scorch - good for you
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SEYKACHU
Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.19 15:15:00 -
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Scorch is an alternative of course if you want to use advanced pulse. I am saying that having dropped Multi and Scorch I used the Combination outlined in FIRST POST, on all level two missions with ease. And I am not doing half the damage.
Originally by: Gawain Hill ok you don't need 2 threads for this but i'll say it again
radio sucks look at the damage it's pants
secondly if you use radio and microwave at the same time on an even split half your weapons won't be doing any damage half the time why do you want to do half your damage?
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SEYKACHU
Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.19 15:17:00 -
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I am saying that I used the setup discussed and completed all level twos with ease with it. Is that clear enough for you. If you keep yourself to the discussion then fine.
Otherwise go post in a garbage can cause posts not related to anything but "oh I am so bored with this post", does not need to be posted.
Yes or No= ?
Originally by: Dr Fighter Edited by: Dr Fighter on 19/08/2007 14:40:09 i added nothing to a thread about nothing.
ohnoes.
seriously what is this threads point exactly, what are you actually discussing?
you like to use TS radio and microwave CRYSTALS, even tho they cost more and do half the dmg compared to the obviously better scorch - good for you
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.19 15:58:00 -
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Generally bc:s are used in level 3 missions.
The thing is though that you're wasting your money. It's actually more effective to come up with a fit that has ab/mwd so that you can burn close to the target and use multifreq on it effectively. Sort of the same way as gankathron works, just less expensive.
I did do that same mixing of types thing sometime last year though, most likely because I was too lazy to switch proper crystals all the time (I used to carry four sets of crystal with me, Multifreq, Gamma, Infrared and Microwave). [ insert fancy sig here ] |
Manus Stuprare
Slug Storm Squadron
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Posted - 2007.08.19 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: SEYKACHU I am saying that I used the setup discussed and completed all level twos with ease with it.
Coming up with a maller setup that can do all level two missions is really nothing to get excited about :P
I still can't decide if you're serious or taking the **** with your posts.. either way they're funny, keep em coming! -------------- Poisoning the Chalice: Smartbombs as a Counter to Nos |
Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.19 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ather Ialeas Generally bc:s are used in level 3 missions.
The thing is though that you're wasting your money. It's actually more effective to come up with a fit that has ab/mwd so that you can burn close to the target and use multifreq on it effectively. Sort of the same way as gankathron works, just less expensive.
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