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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 01:41:00 -
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Holding the field ftw :-)
I have to wake up in 2 friggin hours - damnit.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2007.08.31 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nhoj Sllew
Originally by: Kraken Kill http://interexodus.com/RKAlliance/?a=kill_related&kll_id=34284
imagine what would have happened if 2/3 of our gang hadn't crashed or desynced when you jumped in
god man don't waste time on the state of eve, it's neither reason nor excuse. We spent over an hour during combat rebuilding the gang, 5 times, because of the amount of folks crashing :P
Get over it.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nhoj Sllew we shoot you cause of the hot blue on blue action you gave us
INVICTUS never engaged either Smash or Rk while blue. We abhore that, it's the kind of crap which Atlas pulls, not us.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Draugz
If we challenged FREGE or Invictus, or IRC or ED or OXIDE, yeah. No idea about Imperial Order....
SmashKill knew :P On the first move leads were reminded of it, it got acknowledged, and still you threw capitals against towers. Look, if this were simple pew pew, no worries. Smash / Roadkill used to shoot for instance Frege, while blue with IVC, no worries there. But the golden rule of droneland: throw caps against towers, everyone engages.
Originally by: Draugz
Originally by: Tomeus Although we'd still rather be fighting BOB stations which had been, until now, our top priority.
fixed it for you
http://killboard.eve-invictus.org/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=20
Try again. Before editing other people's posts :P
Come on, your better then this. We all know it's about perception, but you have to make sure you have something in your hand before you can try and derail perception :P
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Farham
Quote: I don't see it as destabalizing the entire region, I see it as destabalizing IO's foothold.
Unfortunately, the drone regions see it differently.
/me shrugs, tbh. Nothing's stable in EVE. By design :-)
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: John Blackthorn Of course Invictus convo's warning us with this and that, tries to say he informed us of the reset but no ceo, no diplomat has any such mails or convo's. John
Somehow that reminds me of ASCN days where pilots had no clue of what their leads were doing or neglecting to tell them. I noticed heft debates even in the northern command channel chatlogs dating from when it all began to last night .... but I guess it's yet another repeat of where the soldiers are abused rather then used. I have to admit, not informing the soldiers has merits here for SmashKill, as it makes them fight harder, but this kind of stuff always comes back to nip you in the behind as well, people eventually catch up. At that point, evolution distinguishes those who have values from those who do not care about anything.
I thought people learned from previous alliances with such **** happening >.<
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: ZenTex
Originally by: Ebusitanus Hope Diplos might sort this out.
Erm, they're the one who started this mess in the 1st place.
Diplomats are a dying race, they don't measure up to evolution's demands.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ebusitanus
So much for "we got wronged" part. Ok, then lets just kill each other. Your skull on my desk is as good for an ashtray as that of a Bobit.
Um, smoking will kill you ....
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin No, we won't just "forget" incursions like that just because people like INVICTUS set us to red and hoped they'd get away with it. We had you blue while you started attacking us. And now you side with others who have done similar things. Birds of a feather...
The stuff you are on must be brilliant. I'm looking at a northern command forum with chatlogs from the relevant channel filled with leads from various folks where smash & RK leads acknowledge the reset by IVC before anything happened ....
I'd prefer not to let this stoop so low that we're going to have to deal with social engineering and propaganda and all that mess, but instead just bash it out and when it's all over perhaps look each other in the eye again and say "damn, you're fun to fool around with". But please do not insult people's intelligence, especially not that of your own pilots. People aren't blind and deaf after all, and if there is one thing which keeps organisations alive, it is an absolute internal honesty when **** happens.
Now, let's keep having fun, that is what this game is for.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny ReeRee
Originally by: Malachon Draco
1. Who says they are someone else's goals?
2.If it happens, I am sure we will find new targets soon enough.
But its pretty clear Smashkill have abandoned all pretenses of being part of the Coalition IMO.
Well, so has INVICTUS, of course. I haven't really seen any recent reports of INVICTUS actually fighting BoB, in Omist, Feythabolis, or anywhere else really.
Does standing on the sidelines cheerleading make you a member of the Coalition?
Let me give you one sample of one campaign ... http://killboard.eve-invictus.org/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=20
Now scratch behind your ears and look silly :P
Let me give you a tip, first inform yourself, then post. It helps, really, it does.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Agif Hey scooter been a long time so you going to disclose why you have decided to make this strike?
We are building to bring the fight to BOB along with everyone else but no all we are doing is wasting ships and iskies on possible ships we could use against BOB ?
I like the narrow mind's who formed the SmashKill as you guys seriously know how to make nutrition sway towards BOB's advantage....
I applaud you i really do
./Sigh
This ain't about bob.
Man.
Sigh.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Virtuozzo I'm looking at a northern command forum with chatlogs from the relevant channel filled with leads from various folks where smash & RK leads acknowledge the reset by IVC before anything happened ....
Oh, leads and chatlogs must mean it's true.
Believe what you will, you guys were blue to us up 'til the point you had been shooting our pilots (who still saw you as blue) for well over 6 hours.
I hope your guys enjoy the loot they had from this awesome fight. And hope you don't treat any more friends to this "hey let's change the + to a -"-scheme.
Your leadership lies to you. I'm sorry for that. I've seen too many alliances end up tearing their guts out over that kind of crap. Maybe I'm too passionate about such things, I jsut can't look at it when people get abused like that.
But let's get practical for a moment, considering you have lost the IVC argument already.
The last MAD alliance to reset standings was Rule of Three, prior to the engagement, Scooter acknowledged that in the (now almost funny) joint command channel ... what's next now that it's clear that saying IVC shot you while blue isn't working, are the leads going to try to spin it on a next target? :P
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny ReeRee Edited by: Johnny ReeRee on 31/08/2007 17:19:25
Originally by: Virtuozzo
Let me give you one sample of one campaign ... http://killboard.eve-invictus.org/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=20
Now scratch behind your ears and look silly :P
Let me give you a tip, first inform yourself, then post. It helps, really, it does.
1. You're still around? Didn't INV get the memo from The Mittanni and Goonswarm that you're a spy? Hello people -- wake up. This guy is a spy.
bla bla
Right let's have a look.
According to CAOD here I'm DBP. Since it's on CAOD, it's true. Considering it is true, and I am on coldfront I have devs on MSN. Considering I have devs on MSN and I am DBP I am actually the only human being in this thread and in game in MJ- as I'm just toying around with my alts.
I admit, in all the lag last night I kinda did blow myself on up another account >.< But my god the spy thing ... brilliant.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig About the kb stats: absolutely correct - we have a standing order that everyone ignore the FC commands and just spread 1 gun on as many targets as possible so we can look good on the killboard.
- Gob
I thought that applied only to missile boats. Damnit.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: zykerx
Originally by: Malachon Draco Its both funny and sad that all of this is going on because a lot of misunderstanding and miscommunication. Of course if it leads to good PvP fights, it would in the end be great, but with the numbers involved now, it won't be.
Can't we just call off the sovereignty war, and agree to raid the **** out of each other instead of rolling out dreads and forcing each other into 200+ man fleets? I think its much easier and more fulfilling to vent your discontent in small to medium gangs and not the big lagridden fleetbattles anyway.
yeah that would be cool
Pistol duels, or in the case of EVE, civilian blasters. Choose your secondaries gentlemen :-)
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Stockarian Pew pew is always fun, friend on friend pew pew isn't, especially the sov kind. Roams are different, this gets too personal. I hope Smashkill reconsider there actions against Madpact before it's too late for you guys. I have a lot of friends in RK.
Same here bru. Even with all the crap going on I just can't lock up SLeyha for instance :/
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Graalum
Originally by: Draco Benedictus
Originally by: dor amwar all this he said she said not worth the time. if you want to reset standing at seven in the morning and immediately start shooting pilots and not expect people believe your playing standing games then you sir are in la la land.
MAD PACT U TARD, have u not been reading this forum??? playing standing games lol u invaded a system that is 9 jumps, YES 9 jumps from our space & the alliance is part of MAD!!! I cant believe u still expected to be blue ROFLMAO
couldn't you guys pick a better name than mad pact?
Considering how many SmashKill pilots regard our sanity, I do think it was aptly chosen ... :P
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.09.01 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Graalum
the only person around here doing any taking is us tyvm. Open war ftw.
I guess 'taking lots of incoming fire' is also a form of taking
I get the idea he's talking about a very different form of "taking" yeah. :P
Either way, great fun guys, though the sight of decreasing numbers among smashkill in contrast with a standing participation order in RK makes me a bit sad :/
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.09.03 09:08:00 -
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All this smash whinage about "omg we get shot in 87-" is just hilarious. Come on, don't you see it reinforces the perception of standing like a little kid without icecream staring over the fence of the neighbours where the hot momma tanning in the backyard is having the time of her life with icecream and all you can do is scream "I want", "no fair", "I need", "cause".
Here's something you should be screaming about yourself "double standards".
Come on please. SmashKill like any other group is about pew pew. This is EVE. Before all this mess some MAD factions were blue with Smash, some weren't. Pew pew is what makes the world go round so no worries, you didn't see those of us who got bi-daily raids from you throw towers in WNM for that >.<
Seriously, this is like "omg mommie they are shooting back at me that's not how it's supposed to be make em stop!".
Seriously, I think you're better then this SmashKill, I'll just presume those whiners in this thread are the exception to the rule.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.09.03 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: TeufelsBeitrag
There is no "whining" as you call it
And again here we go, one kid can scream, if the other kid does anything it's oh so wrong.
Brilliant.
Pouring oil on a fire, well, I can honestly say that you have absolutely no idea on everything that was done to prevent this SmashKill created mess from escalating to a point where it would leave shared allies hanging dry and alone.
This is all moot tbh. He said, she said, omgwtf lazy pew pew, etcetera. First few days were fun, but then it became a turkeyshoot - nothing wrong with that but it just feels, dirty, there's something wrong with killing a dread which would be so much better serving in BKG. What a mess.
Truth be told, with how people have been bashing each others skulls, it might actually be just a bit easier now to look each other in the eye again - maybe that is a good thing.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.09.03 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: Virtuozzo on 03/09/2007 15:32:35
Originally by: Frygok Sorry if this has been covered, but why on earth make a gazillion alliances and then have a "pact", instead of just creating one big alliance covering the Drone Region?
All this "You attacked our allied alliance" stuff sounds a bit strange. Flying under the same alliance flag would give much more meaning, if you even have the exact same standings toward outsiders...
What an odd region.
If it's too hard to grasp :P Just keep it simple, we're called "MAD", we are quite "mad" and in the current case we're rather "mad" at SmashKill :P
MAD Pact: simple cohesive structure. Pew pew is fine, everyone can handle all the usual but are fine and free to team up but MAD deals with Capital Sovereignty. Throw a Capital ship against a Sovereignty asset of one MAD member and they all go berserk.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
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