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Jobie Thickburger
Gallente Condottieri Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.26 21:03:00 -
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Hi Everyone. Greetings from the first carebear you've met who is looking for a suicide ganking setup.
I need a setup that is strong enough to suicide a Covetor. We have a massive macro infestation in the local area, and need to take care of the situation if you know what I mean.
Current plans are for me to use a Dominix with 5x Heavy Thermal drones, 6x smartbombs, (wanna pod the btard) and as a ton of 1600mm armor plates.
Although I'm sure this will take him down ,I know its not the most effecient way to do the job.
Yall shoot us down all the time, Badgers and Itterons with Battlecruisers even! How do yall do it!
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Uxiz
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Posted - 2007.08.26 21:29:00 -
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i wonder about using this sort of thing
thorax
highs - med nuetron blasters
med - warp jammer shield extenders or w/e
low - 3x magstab 2 plates
ive no idea how it would work but much cheaper than a domi. for podding the guy, well hmm.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.08.26 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jobie Thickburger Current plans are for me to use a Dominix with 5x Heavy Thermal drones, 6x smartbombs, (wanna pod the btard) and as a ton of 1600mm armor plates.
Erm...if you use smartbombs to kill these guys you will also manage to kill your own drones.
My mates and I once figured what it'd take to suicide a Covetor and it was not a lot. Been awhile now though so I have completely forgotten. IIRC we figured we could do it with a Blasterax. I'd have to look at the numbers again though but Covetors have no tank to speak of. They go down pretty easy.
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Jazzar
Gallente The Patriot Society Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2007.08.26 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Uxiz i wonder about using this sort of thing
thorax
highs - med nuetron blasters
med - warp jammer shield extenders or w/e
low - 3x magstab 2 plates
ive no idea how it would work but much cheaper than a domi. for podding the guy, well hmm.
How do you expect to maintain lock, when Concord jams the snot out of you? Your blaster probably won't take him out in one volley..
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Jobie Thickburger
Gallente Condottieri Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.26 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Jobie Thickburger Current plans are for me to use a Dominix with 5x Heavy Thermal drones, 6x smartbombs, (wanna pod the btard) and as a ton of 1600mm armor plates.
Erm...if you use smartbombs to kill these guys you will also manage to kill your own drones.
My mates and I once figured what it'd take to suicide a Covetor and it was not a lot. Been awhile now though so I have completely forgotten. IIRC we figured we could do it with a Blasterax. I'd have to look at the numbers again though but Covetors have no tank to speak of. They go down pretty easy.
Yea, Just found that one out,
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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.08.26 21:54:00 -
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Generally, use drone ships to suicide gank macro'ers. The drones will continue attacking even when CONCORD has you jammed, and will only stop when your ship pops. So a well tanked drone ship can do a lot more than a gank setup in whatever ship.
Unless of course you're lobbing missiles from so far away that you have multiple volleys in flight before the first one hits - that works too.
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Jobie Thickburger
Gallente Condottieri Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.26 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ishina Fel Generally, use drone ships to suicide gank macro'ers. The drones will continue attacking even when CONCORD has you jammed, and will only stop when your ship pops. So a well tanked drone ship can do a lot more than a gank setup in whatever ship.
Unless of course you're lobbing missiles from so far away that you have multiple volleys in flight before the first one hits - that works too.
THanks, I'll give that one a shot to, A raven with a bunch of torps may do the trick as well.
I feel my first error was the bombs, 6 large smtbmbs took out my drones, so he won that round...
But I've the cash to spare and since the macros stole my Veldspar....
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Meihdron
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Posted - 2007.08.26 22:13:00 -
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if that works with missiles from far away, i bet a caracal would do it, otherwise id proberbly try out a brutix with neut blasters...
but well, if u go for a bs, id seriously think about a tempest and alpha him, im very sure a tempest would one volley a barge
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goodby4u
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.26 22:25:00 -
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Either an insured geddon or phoon(they have 8 highs and are cheap)and 8x smartbombs,lows should be plates and a damage control. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space. |
Elipsis
Gallente The Mission Guys
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Posted - 2007.08.26 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ishina Fel Generally, use drone ships to suicide gank macro'ers. The drones will continue attacking even when CONCORD has you jammed, and will only stop when your ship pops. So a well tanked drone ship can do a lot more than a gank setup in whatever ship.
Unless of course you're lobbing missiles from so far away that you have multiple volleys in flight before the first one hits - that works too.
Doesn't Concord target drones now as well? -...
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Lithalnas
Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.08.26 22:30:00 -
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geddon
8x smartbombs
4x co-proc I 4x 1600mm plate
mids however many cap batteries you can fit ------------- Hadean Drive Yards
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Jobie Thickburger
Gallente Condottieri Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.26 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Elipsis
Originally by: Ishina Fel Generally, use drone ships to suicide gank macro'ers. The drones will continue attacking even when CONCORD has you jammed, and will only stop when your ship pops. So a well tanked drone ship can do a lot more than a gank setup in whatever ship.
Unless of course you're lobbing missiles from so far away that you have multiple volleys in flight before the first one hits - that works too.
Doesn't Concord target drones now as well?
Tuesday
CEO, Condottieri Industries
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Laura Steel
Minmatar Independent Interspace Industiers Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.08.26 22:48:00 -
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Would bombs do it?
Altho they are more expensive if a cruiser can do the job. ----
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El'Tar
Caldari The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.08.26 23:06:00 -
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Just to let you know. Concord has been boosted, they insta pop you now, so it doesn't really matter about "losing the lock" thing.
Vexor :
4 heavy neutron whatever 4 magnetic field stabilizer
2 ogre, 2 hammerhead 1 hobgoblin / 3 garde I's
Although if you're in low SP You might want to try a Myrmidon/Brutix, Unless you are planning on suiciding at a gate or station, the tank doesn't matter at all
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.08.26 23:18:00 -
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Meh. I'm not 100% sure if concord shows up before your missiles actually hit. If not, a gang of caracals (with nothing except hmls and bcus, preferably T1 or something) could clear them all out, due to being able to fire multiple volleys. Other then that, you can camp them and steal their jetcans - i've had macro-ers attack my battle hoarder (and pop it, unfortunately - i should've used a mammoth, in retrospect) ;P
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2007.08.26 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 26/08/2007 23:22:02
Originally by: Lithalnas geddon
8x smartbombs
4x co-proc I 4x 1600mm plate
mids however many cap batteries you can fit
cap boosters, would do better than cap batteries i think, as concord drains your cap.
and bleh why would they make concord instapop you. oh well guess you just need a few more ships for that gank.
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Arthur Frayn
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Posted - 2007.08.27 00:06:00 -
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Single Raven with a rack of tech 1 Torp launchers(just to be sure) and nothing else.
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VicturusTeSaluto
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Posted - 2007.08.27 01:16:00 -
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Killing a covetor is easy. I once found a solo covetor mining in "low sec"... I went in a killed him almost instantly with my Gankorax. Then I started to lock his pod and opened up a convo for a pod ransom when my ship suddenly exploded. I had went into a .5 system without realizing it :D
There should be no problem at all doing this with a gankorax, or even a gank-fitted catalyst.
Smartbombs, or a second attacker will be needed to kill his pod.
To kill a barge with some amount of tank might take 2-3 catalysts or a single brutix(but its not much more dps than a gankorax).
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Jobie Thickburger
Gallente Condottieri Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.27 02:25:00 -
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I took 3 runs at it, Got 0 kills, But did run them off, Here's what I used and the results:
1) 6x Large proton Smartbombs, Heavy Armor tank (all 1600mm), Shield resistance boosters Large drones attacked, used bombs, -shield ,-armor, drones gone, Didn't last for a 2nd shot. This proves what was mentioned above about concord insta-poping now. There's no tanking anymore. Of concord can shoot down a domi with 50k armor and 75+ in all shields in under 9 seconds, then we're in for some fun here...
2) Realizing that my bombs killed my drones, went with the same lower tank, 3x blasters, and drones. Got him to half sturcutre pre-concord.
3) Raven, 6x torp launchers, 5x BCU. Fired torps, They didn't make it out of the tubes before concord whiped me...
This is gonna be tougher than it used to be...
It looks like the most economical way will be to use some heavy damage cruisers, Rax's and Ruptures probally... 3-4 of them may be able to do it pre-concord arriving.
CEO, Condottieri Industries
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.08.27 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 27/08/2007 04:23:11
Originally by: Jobie Thickburger 3) Raven, 6x torp launchers, 5x BCU. Fired torps, They didn't make it out of the tubes before concord whiped me...
Was CONCORD still floating about when you attacked? If so I am not surprised. Otherwise you should have had some time to get the missiles off. I am not sure that missiles still do damage once you pop though.
What sec space is this? In 0.5 you should have, I think, about 30 seconds or a bit less to get your attack in. As you go up sec levels CONCORD comes faster so you need to dish out more damage.
Really what you want is massive damage in short order. If CONCORD is really on to instagank now and they stop drones then I think you want Blasters as pimped as you can make them.
Although smartbombs might work better...especially if you can tag a few of them in a cluster. Trick is to change up your smartbombs.
Get an Apocalypse (8 hi slots and relatively cheap because no one wants them as they suck otherwise).
Fit: 3x EMP Smartbomb-II 5x Proton Smartbomb-II
Mids: (Whatever...test cap on running two cycles of the above...fit cap relays as needed (or rechargers...always forget which is the midslot one)
Lows: Whatever you need to make the above fit. Plates out the arse unless you really think CONCORD instapops no matter what...in which case save the ISK (but with 7 low slots available you should be able to put some serious hitpoint loving on this thing with plates).
When you attack don't mash F1-F8 but rather fire them in succession with a teeny gap between (to be sure lag and whatever allows them to go off in order). Pop the three EMP's first then the Proton. On paper that should smack down their shields and armor in one go and maybe even start into structure. Pray you can get a few more shots off and that should be it. Toss in 3 Ogres for good measure.
This should drop any Covetor in less than two weapon cycles. If you are lucky and they are all near each other you can drop numerous Covetors in one go.
Of course you may pod a lot of them and take a monster sec hit for that doing this.
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Jobie Thickburger
Gallente Condottieri Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.27 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 27/08/2007 04:55:18
Originally by: Jobie Thickburger 3) Raven, 6x torp launchers, 5x BCU. Fired torps, They didn't make it out of the tubes before concord whiped me...
Was CONCORD still floating about when you attacked? If so I am not surprised. Otherwise you should have had some time to get the missiles off. I am not sure that missiles still do damage once you pop though.
I'm not sure on this one, I did notice that they were there after I got popped, and they were pretty well dispersed. It may be that they were already there, if so, my falut, if not, damn the cops are fast.
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What sec space is this? In 0.5 you should have, I think, about 30 seconds or a bit less to get your attack in. As you go up sec levels CONCORD comes faster so you need to dish out more damage.
Its .8 space, which makes it a mess as well. Still, I'd think i'd be able to get 2 lg smartbomb deployments off..
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Really what you want is massive damage in short order. If CONCORD is really on to instagank now and they stop drones then I think you want Blasters as pimped as you can make them.
I was considering this with either a megathron, or more likely a Brutix, to simply allow for more properly sized weapons. I'm also considering trying a Hurricane, with howitzers.
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Although smartbombs might work better...especially if you can tag a few of them in a cluster. Trick is to change up your smartbombs.
Get an Apocalypse (8 hi slots and relatively cheap because no one wants them as they suck otherwise).
Fit: 3x EMP Smartbomb-II 5x Proton Smartbomb-II
Mids: Nothing. Don't need anything here...why waste the cash?
Lows: 1x Co-Processor-I 7x Rolled Tungsten Armor Plates (should get you around 40,000 HP)
I'll give this one a shot. They don't cluster together though. From what we can tell, its a single guy running about 10 accounts, and activly using 2 haulers. Best we can catch is a hauler and miner sititng together.
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If you are absolutely certain that CONCORD instapops now no matter how you tank then leave the lows empty and save the cash.
Will have to do more testing on that one before we are certin, But it appears to be the case. Even with concord in the belt, I'd think that I'd be able to get a singe round of torps out of the tube before concord took down a raven fitted with shield extenders.
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When you attack don't mash F1-F8 but rather fire them in succession with a teeny gap between (to be sure lag and whatever allows them to go off in order). Pop the three EMP's first then the Proton. On paper that should smack down their shields and armor in one go and maybe even start into structure. Second go shold finish them for sure and this should occur in less than 10 seconds.
If you are lucky and they are all near each other you can drop numerous Covetors in one go.
Of course you may pod a lot of them and take a monster sec hit for that doing this.
I'll give it a shot. And to be honest, My sec is high enough I can take a monster hit without much trouble. Besides, I doubt they have updated clones To go in there and him lose his barge V skill would be worth a - sec status.
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EDIT: How in the world did you get 50k armor on a Domi?
Full rack of 1600mm Tungsten plates (would have used steel, but the tungsten were cheeper, go figure, Amarr system market is wierd)
Anywho, thanks for the advice
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ChickenOfDoom
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Posted - 2007.08.27 20:31:00 -
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It won't help. A full covetor setup is maybe 30 million; they'll just buy a new one easy. If you want them to move on to another area you'd have to repeat the process until they notice a pattern and loss in profits.
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Judas Lonestar
Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.27 20:33:00 -
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Stealth bomber + bomb?
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.27 20:47:00 -
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A phoon is easy to gank wiht, 4x 800mm, 4x siege, mids, 2x webs 2x painters, lows, 6x damage mod & plate,, 5x heavy drones.
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hedfunk
Caldari High Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.08.27 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Judas Lonestar Stealth bomber + bomb?
Nearly right. Stealth Bomber + Faction missiles. Win.
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Lily Miner
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Posted - 2007.08.27 20:58:00 -
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What selection of smartbombs would be best on a geddon?
3x Em 5x Explosive?
With plates/shield extenders so the Sbs can fire twice
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Ay'Not Sivad
Minmatar D-L
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Posted - 2007.08.27 21:12:00 -
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erm.. it's possible to 2/3-volley destroyers with a gank-fitted artillery thrasher, and to be honest, podding him is NOT worthit(especially if it's a macroer as you said, he'll only return)
Hi: 280mm artillery cannon II w/e Med: tracking computer, ab, whatever.. doesn't matter Lows: gyrostabilizers, and RCU's if you need them for the fitting(which you shouldn't)
completely rips things apart, I've two volleyed rifters in this setup before, almost killing them on the first volley, it's not going to be much harder to do it with a destroyer. to be honest though, I'd have 3-4 people in the destroyers, so you can ensure a good pop, and still have one person alive to pod them if you are so inclined. cost = 15-some mil for a few people to insta-pop a destroyer, versus spending in excess of 70 million for a suicide domi.
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Ay'Not Sivad
Minmatar D-L
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Posted - 2007.08.27 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ay''Not Sivad on 27/08/2007 21:15:53 erm.. it's possible to 2/3-volley destroyers with a gank-fitted artillery thrasher, and to be honest, podding him is NOT worthit(especially if it's a macroer as you said, he'll only return)
Hi: 280mm artillery cannon II w/e Med: tracking computer, ab, whatever.. doesn't matter Lows: gyrostabilizers, and RCU's if you need them for the fitting(which you shouldn't)
completely rips things apart, I've two volleyed rifters in this setup before, almost killing them on the first volley, it's not going to be much harder to do it with a destroyer. to be honest though, I'd have 3-4 people in the destroyers, so you can ensure a good pop, and still have one person alive to pod them if you are so inclined. cost = 15-some mil for a few people to insta-pop a destroyer, versus spending in excess of 70 million for a suicide domi.
BTW, for the people that say concord insta-pop no matter what, not even true. my vagabonds survived for about 4 seconds before popping when a stupid can-glitch occured in hi-sec. and i've sat around for about 20 seconds watching them blow my passive tanked myrmi up, when autopilot figured it'd supply me with inncorrect system security status info.
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hedfunk
Caldari High Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.08.27 22:02:00 -
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In systems were CONCORD is on the gate, you're gunna get instapopped. in 0.5 systems and 0.6, where there is only faction police...you can get a few shots out and tank the sentry guns before Concord turn up and instapop you.
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Neena Valdi
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.27 22:10:00 -
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With good drone skills the blaster vexor will outdamage thorax also. But if you want to do it for sure... myrmidon with 5 ogre's and blasters
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