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Falbala
Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia
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Posted - 2007.08.30 14:59:00 -
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or pink or red or whatever, put a red circle or a yellow band but please do something so we can make visually the difference between them.
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ViolenTUK
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Posted - 2007.08.30 15:05:00 -
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I agree that if you have many blueprints in a hanger you dont want to have to click on everyone to find out if its a copy or not. im sure we are all aware that seperation of the prints isnt always possible. Yes copys could be green or blue with another identifier.
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Jali Prince
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.30 15:08:00 -
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Please Please Please???? Do this. I am lucky I dont have alot, but somehow I became the corp blueprint keeper....
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.30 16:47:00 -
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It was replied a lot of times: it require database changes and extensive one as every differently researched copy will become a different item.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.30 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul It was replied a lot of times: it require database changes and extensive one as every differently researched copy will become a different item.
Correct and the amount of work involved makes it not a realistic option for the time being. -----
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Jonas Vinthyn
Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.30 18:05:00 -
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There has to be a way to say If not CopyInfinite then color = blue else color = green or something to that effect. Just the icon is all we would need.
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Yamichi Wiggin
Caldari Rising Knights SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.30 18:07:00 -
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Jonas Vinthyn
Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.30 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Jonas Vinthyn on 30/08/2007 18:31:46 Double post FTL. :(
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Laendra
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Posted - 2007.08.30 19:03:00 -
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Since the client doesn't read the number of runs until you "Show Info" or try to use the BP, there really isn't a lot they can do about it, until they change the method that returns the contents...perhaps returning a flag indicating a BPC vs BPO. At that point, it would be nice if they could plaster an indicator on the BP image that shows that it is a copy. Ideally, there would be a number below the image as well, much like a stacked item, that indicates the number of runs. :) -------------------
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Eka Maladay
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Posted - 2007.08.30 19:51:00 -
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vinnymcg
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.30 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Venkul Mul It was replied a lot of times: it require database changes and extensive one as every differently researched copy will become a different item.
Correct and the amount of work involved makes it not a realistic option for the time being.
yes it is a realistic option, it might take you ages to code this but CCP have a very bright bunch of people working for them and a lot of people at that. If they wanted to do it they could.
Most of the time ideas get into the game because people want them. CCP them selves have said they provide the tools the players shape the game, well this is one of the things the players want so CCP get those fingers on those keyboards and don't stop typing
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Endica Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.08.30 21:32:00 -
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Effort vs. reward is very bad on this one.
Well, it has been brought up time and time again. But it's quite obvious that if CCP could do anything about it in an acceptable amount of time, they would have already done it. Sad but probably true.
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Chris Stormrider
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Posted - 2007.08.30 21:56:00 -
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/signed totally easy to implement, because the client gets some info from the server to know what icon/name/etc. to show (think station containers), just add a flag copy/original, the client adds yellow on your original bpo's blue icon... voila! green icons ok, a programmer at ccp can do even better than my silly idea again, easy...
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2007.08.31 00:03:00 -
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Unfortunately, BPOs and BPCs have the same item ID in the database, so they look the same to the server except for the number of runs. I think to allow a blue/green or whatever color scheme they would have to make separate Item ID's for BPOs and BPCs. Unfortunately, I think that this (and stacking identical BPCs) would require more code than anyone suspects. . . -------------------------------------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth |
Chris Stormrider
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Posted - 2007.08.31 00:12:00 -
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you can drag/drop a bpc in a chat window and link to the specific item. so it is uniquely identifiable in the game.
still i'd just do an "if" for the icon color.
now, stacking them is different, as far as the DB knows, they are similar, not the same. also any used bpo (thus any bpc) is not repackaged, so it doesn't stack.
anyway, i'm no better at programming than anybody else here, so i don't insist
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Falbala
Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia
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Posted - 2007.08.31 07:08:00 -
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It would probably take a lot of time, I agree. I think because of all the BPOs and BPCs already in the universe.
But CCP could start doing it for new BPOs and BPCs and update the old ones a few at a time, starting with ships and drones preferrably.
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Kempeth
Gallente Thunderbolts
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Posted - 2007.08.31 08:17:00 -
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but if they are green then they aren't blueprints anymore...
I agree that a visual feature to distinguish bpo's from bpc's would be very handy. But I wouldn't use a different colors but an special icon of some sort. Something similar the the tech2 one. Maybe another triangle in the top right corner with a 'C' or 'O' in it. ---------------------------------------------- The glass is neither half full nor half empty. It's just twice as big as it need to be... |
Dodgy Phil
Caldari Solar Forge Engineering
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Posted - 2007.09.01 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jurgen Cartis Unfortunately, BPOs and BPCs have the same item ID in the database, so they look the same to the server except for the number of runs. I think to allow a blue/green or whatever color scheme they would have to make separate Item ID's for BPOs and BPCs. Unfortunately, I think that this (and stacking identical BPCs) would require more code than anyone suspects. . .
Nah, BPCs can't be repackaged - there would be no way to stack 'em
I agree it'd be handier if there was some kinda distinction, but the idea of a buncha 'greenprints' (as per the above) don't really appeal... an icon-type thingy would be kewl, even a shading difference would make 'em different enough to tell at a glance ---------------- I would've taken the initiative, but I was hoping someone else might do it for me... |
velocity7
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Posted - 2007.09.01 17:01:00 -
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Tellace
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Posted - 2007.09.01 17:07:00 -
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All else fails just add a tooltip that will display if it is: "BPx, ME=xxx PE=xxx Runs=XXX"
That aint hard, the already have it for contracts for the very same reasons, only difference is scam artists take advantage of it.
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arak'taral
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Posted - 2007.09.01 18:56:00 -
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/signed
would be REALLY nice :)
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.01 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 01/09/2007 19:09:47
Originally by: Jurgen Cartis Unfortunately, BPOs and BPCs have the same item ID in the database, so they look the same to the server except for the number of runs. I think to allow a blue/green or whatever color scheme they would have to make separate Item ID's for BPOs and BPCs. Unfortunately, I think that this (and stacking identical BPCs) would require more code than anyone suspects. . .
Jurgen point is right from what I know, and changing that could cause problems. A few operations where this change can originate bugs and that will certanly require added code:
Copy process
Every time a BPO requirements/characteristics are changed it the corresponding BPC should be changed with a separate operation (or we could get BPC with different material requirements than the BPO, different production times, ecc.)
Invention
So it is not "select item id xxx and change its colot to green", it is look any operation where item id is used, and recode them because item id xxx now is divided in item id XXX and item id xxx.
Originally by: Falbala It would probably take a lot of time, I agree. I think because of all the BPOs and BPCs already in the universe.
But CCP could start doing it for new BPOs and BPCs and update the old ones a few at a time, starting with ships and drones preferrably.
If you want bugs and tons of petitions (BPO changing to BPC and vice versa) that is the best system I think.
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Falbala
Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia
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Posted - 2007.09.01 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul MulEvery time a BPO requirements/characteristics are changed it the corresponding BPC should be changed with a separate operation (or we could get BPC with different material requirements than the BPO, different production times, ecc.) [/quote
It looks to me you have no idea of what you are talking about. The BPCs don't change over time when the BPO is researched this is silly, if you change a BPO the BPCs made with remain unchanged, what are you trying to demonstrate?
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wapacz
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.01 21:49:00 -
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Using the industry and sci window you can select to see originals only, copies only or both. Also in this window you can see the me, te and number of copies. So the client is already getting all of this info.
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Falbala
Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia
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Posted - 2007.09.01 22:46:00 -
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Yes this is true, but I had to sort out the BPCs out of 125 BPs the other day, because I moved production to another office. I checked with this method that I was not taking any BPO out of the hangar but it still has been a hassle to sort them out, show info on each.
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Chruker
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Posted - 2007.09.02 00:01:00 -
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Yeah, anything to distinquish copies from originals.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.02 07:40:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 02/09/2007 07:40:46
Originally by: Falbala
Originally by: Venkul Mul Every time a BPO requirements/characteristics are changed it the corresponding BPC should be changed with a separate operation (or we could get BPC with different material requirements than the BPO, different production times, ecc.)
It looks to me you have no idea of what you are talking about. The BPCs don't change over time when the BPO is researched this is silly, if you change a BPO the BPCs made with remain unchanged, what are you trying to demonstrate?
It appear to my that you haven't got my meaning. So I will expand it to make it clearer.
Every time some of the a BPO characteristics is changed, because the DEV have decided that size of the object, materials needed, time needed for some/all of the research and so must be altered it would become necessary to change that in multiple diverse object and not only on the "master" one.
Got it now?
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.09.02 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: vinnymcg
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Venkul Mul It was replied a lot of times: it require database changes and extensive one as every differently researched copy will become a different item.
Correct and the amount of work involved makes it not a realistic option for the time being.
yes it is a realistic option, it might take you ages to code this but CCP have a very bright bunch of people working for them and a lot of people at that. If they wanted to do it they could.
Most of the time ideas get into the game because people want them. CCP them selves have said they provide the tools the players shape the game, well this is one of the things the players want so CCP get those fingers on those keyboards and don't stop typing
Let me rephrase that into CCP devs commented on the idea before and said it was not a realistic option at this time because it would require a large scale overhaul of the production system, blueprints and the market system.
So no, its not at all related to how fast i can code, but nice try anyway. -----
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Falbala
Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia
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Posted - 2007.09.02 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul Edited by: Venkul Mul on 02/09/2007 07:40:46
Originally by: Falbala
Originally by: Venkul Mul Every time a BPO requirements/characteristics are changed it the corresponding BPC should be changed with a separate operation (or we could get BPC with different material requirements than the BPO, different production times, ecc.)
It looks to me you have no idea of what you are talking about. The BPCs don't change over time when the BPO is researched this is silly, if you change a BPO the BPCs made with remain unchanged, what are you trying to demonstrate?
It appear to my that you haven't got my meaning. So I will expand it to make it clearer.
Every time some of the a BPO characteristics is changed, because the DEV have decided that size of the object, materials needed, time needed for some/all of the research and so must be altered it would become necessary to change that in multiple diverse object and not only on the "master" one.
Got it now?
This is still silly. BPOs and BPCs already don't share the same characteristics, such as the number of runs, they can therefore have a characteristic called icon, one green for BPO and one blue for BPC. Understood?
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.09.03 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Falbala This is still silly. BPOs and BPCs already don't share the same characteristics, such as the number of runs, they can therefore have a characteristic called icon, one green for BPO and one blue for BPC. Understood?
BPOs and BPCs are both considered "blueprints" and therefor simply display the blueprint icon. The only way to make a distinction between BPOs and BPCs is to pull up the details of said BP and see whethers its a limited run copy or an unlimited, this however is not an option as it means 1 extra db query for every BPO. The average BPO hangar has anywhere between 10 and 500 bpos so thats between 10 and 500 extra queries, every time someone opens a hangar that contains bpos.
Hence CCP stated that theres currently no way to differentiate between bpos and bpcs as it would require a major overhaul of how the bps work, ie turning them into two completely diffrent items so they can have their own icons. -----
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