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IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp
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Posted - 2012.01.18 21:54:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:The Hype is actually pretty sweet...
-Liang
It has the right look this is for sure. I'm seeing alot more around since the Crucible Hybrid buff.
'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you. |
Aestivalis Saidrian
SplitPush Mercantiles
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Posted - 2012.01.19 00:33:00 -
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What the Hyperion really needs is a role bonus to the mounting and utilization of a DD. I mean, with that prow man. It'd be awesome
Namely I just want an excuse to spinal mount something awesome.
Kay, I'm done trolling. I think if you gave the Hyperion better agility and top speed, and changed its rep bonus to rep capacitor usage, it'd be set. The Brutix and Myrmidon could both benefit from that change as well. |
Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.01.19 03:40:00 -
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Most T1 cruisers, just like most T1 frigs are mostly redundant...a lot of love is needed.
ASs will probably receive some love, so...
EAFs could follow - par the hyena those are pretty good under some instances, but not good enough vs. T1 or T2 cruisers that do the same job way cheaper (T1) or way better (T2). The Keres is the only one that does fleet work good enough. Sentinel is weak for fleets, nice for solo. The caldari is outclassed by the BB. Hyena...meh...
The Cyclone is pretty good as a solo / small gang ship. Active tank or shield buffer/nanoed with extra mid slot over the Cane does serve some roles pretty good. I completely disagree that it's bad. It's the niche of active tanked ships in general that is under-utilized, not the Cyclone, or the Brutix, or the Ferox etc (all of which can play this role with decent performance).
Hyperion is darn good - but read above...it's an active tanked ship, or and ultra ganky ship...not bad versatility tbh. I doubt that other tier 3 BSs are way more versatile than that, nor much cheaper.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
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shal ri
Zanzibar Land
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Posted - 2012.01.20 17:09:00 -
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the hype is fine wat it needs is more drones. 4 ogres suck. like stated its a small gang bs. but u can even use it in rr gangs with the proper fit, its really a mean ship. thing of it like a big brutix. it can be shield tanked for gank or rep for tank just because u cant use it in ur gay blobs doesnt mean it needs a rehaul.
caldri hacs in general need to be looked over. i didnt even look at the eagle and the cerb cant micro for more then 2 cycles so sustaned fights with that ship is just not goin to happen. basicly if a drake can own it with out thinking it needs a rehaul.
the electronic attack frigs look like they could be awsome ships but i think ppl fail to see that they are support ships for frig gangs. think about it a fleet of 12 frigs. u got ur dps assault frigs and ur attack support frigs to keep them alive. if they had more tank and/or speed they would be used alot more.
t1 frigs need a look over as well. most players use the same set of frigs for pvp, them being rifter, incursus, tristan, merlan and kestral. wat happened to all the other frigs. ( i know there are some mining and hauling frigs but im lookin at this from the pvp perspective. feel free to make ur own suggestions about how they can change )
some of the cruiser need a look over as well. ( plz do somehting about the thorax ) seems to me the matar has more pvp viable cruisers then the other races. doesnt look like its balanced. theres also hacs that seem to be useless for anything other then sniping ( demios. munnin. eagle. ) when there are ships that cost about the same and do more dmg. ( tempest. rohk. maelstrom. )
black ops ships. these ships are just a cloaky taxi service for black ops drops. i dont use them so i cant say much, but it doesnt seem worth the training time imo. the widow seems to be the only 1 i would bother to train for since its a bigger falcon with bomber/raven like bonuses to torps.
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Kn1v3s 999
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.20 18:23:00 -
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Diomidis wrote:Most T1 cruisers, just like most T1 frigs are mostly redundant...a lot of love is needed.
ASs will probably receive some love, so...
EAFs could follow - par the hyena those are pretty good under some instances, but not good enough vs. T1 or T2 cruisers that do the same job way cheaper (T1) or way better (T2). The Keres is the only one that does fleet work good enough. Sentinel is weak for fleets, nice for solo. The caldari is outclassed by the BB. Hyena...meh...
The Cyclone is pretty good as a solo / small gang ship. Active tank or shield buffer/nanoed with extra mid slot over the Cane does serve some roles pretty good. I completely disagree that it's bad. It's the niche of active tanked ships in general that is under-utilized, not the Cyclone, or the Brutix, or the Ferox etc (all of which can play this role with decent performance).
Hyperion is darn good - but read above...it's an active tanked ship, or and ultra ganky ship...not bad versatility tbh. I doubt that other tier 3 BSs are way more versatile than that, nor much cheaper.
p. much This.
People forget that there are 27 frigate t1 out there and only 4-5 are used
16 cruiser t1, and only 4-5 are used
People should stop to ask for more faction/tier3 or tech3 stuff if they really want some balance (they don't want actually)
Agree with the Hype cost, but the way to fix it is to reduce the cost of the materials needed for it' s production, not making it a Mega mk2 with a tracking bonus.
And stop pls to want to remove every ship thta have a different bonus except for /damage/trakcing/ROF/ etc Leave my Rep bonus alone. Not everyone fly in blobs and wnat moar deepees. What armor/rep armor bonus needs is a fix. Making all the ships similar it s not a fix, but a plague for the game |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.20 19:43:00 -
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top 3:P
eagle
phoenix
nighthawk
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Khrage
70
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:08:00 -
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grouping similar ships:
1. EAFs.
2. Eagle (mostly the Eagle, but the new BCs out class sniper HACs so much now, and the whole drake/cerb/sacrilege situation isn't in a good place - so Eagle/HAC issues.)
3. Prophecy and (a little less) the Ferox (Cyclone and Brutix seem fine compared to these two)
4. Ashimmu/Cruor and kinda Phantasm/Suc (While their BS brothers are feared, these guys just aren't up to par with the other pirate faction races cruisers/frigates
5. Tier system screws with a lot of ships. though i see why it's good in a lot of ways, when it comes to frigs, cruisers, and BCs; i think a good solution would be having two tiers within cruisers and frigs, one lower one higher obviously, but with multiple ships within the same tier.
cruiser examples: maller and omen amarr higher tier and the arb and aug the lower. moa caracal high, osprey blackbird low. thorax vexor high, celestis exeq low. rupture stabber high, scythe belli low.
frigate examples: punisher executioner inq high, crucifier magnate tormentor low. merlin kestrel condor high, heron griffin bantam low. tristan incursus atrom high, imicus maulus navitas low. rifter slasher breacher high, burst probe vigil low.
putting more ships on the same levels bringing more balance, while still having lower tiered, less expensive, less skill intensive for those roles/newer players.
BCs are in the same boat as BSs. the tier system should work. as it does with the BSs. almost any BS can kill any other depending on the situation (assuming skilled pilots). however, when it comes to the BCs the tiers cripple the prophecy and ferox almost completely.
and special mention - Liam Mirren wrote:Any list that doesn't have the Navy Osprey on it is by definition incomplete. Go and try make a Nosprey fit that makes sense, I dare you. - seriously... |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:08:00 -
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There is a lot of minor fixes that is really needed out there but these are my top candidates if there would be a big overhaul (in "need of buff" order)
augoror
scythe
ferox
sin
bellicose
prophecy |
Guillame Herschel
NME1
35
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:08:00 -
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Impairor, Ibis and Reaper all need 10m3 drone bandwidth to put them in line with the Velator, which is otherwise massively OP.
Opux Luxury Yacht - there needs to be moar of them so I can fly one.
Eidolon - needs to be made player-flyable. |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2012.01.21 03:00:00 -
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easy way to fix active tanking bonus for ships (both shield and armor) is to make the 7.5% to effectiveness to internal reps also increase base armor or shield Hit Points Per Level...
that way in fleets the hp buffer hyperions and maels will have 37.5% more shields or armor... |
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Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.21 03:09:00 -
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EOS could be fixed by 1. Having the link that boosts sensor strength also boost optimal/falloff, tracking, lock time and lock range. Also give it a 125m drone bay/bandwidth and normal drone bonuses. The EOS is the way it is because back in the day it could be a real bear with 5 heavy drones. The new BCs put something on the field that can has the firepower to defeat the things tank. EOS should be what the Myrm once was. |
Spineker
101
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Posted - 2012.01.21 05:45:00 -
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Eagle and Eos need love like no other two ships in the game. Guess CCP is too busy nerfing things on the word of alliances CMs.
Maybe if you balanced things instead of nerfing we would be better off.
ECM drones are far MORE Balanced than the drake, we need to hide our heads in the sand over those little guys and play nerfbat. |
shlakkk
Drama Llamas
Phobia.
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Posted - 2012.01.21 07:43:00 -
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some of the ships in this thread that people are calling for to be buffed are just laughable. hyperion? ishtar? really?
yeah lets buff the 1800dps hyp,
and the hac with some of the best dps and tank. and that can camp bubbles/gates with sentries while being 100km+ away...
ok before giving my list of ships that need buffing, take into account my veiw on this topic.
NOT ALL SHIPS SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIT THE SAME COOKIE CUTTER TANK,SPANK,POINT,PROP FIT. some should rightly have to make sacrifices, like trying to fit a prop mod onto an active mael is always gonna end badly. every ship shouldn't be able to just do everything well or you get the drake. (which is being changed to make it more specialised.)
try some of the boats that actually need it. eg
eagle, get rid of the hac bonus to optimal. give bonus too.... dunno lol maybe rof?
navy osprey is just lolfail might just have to leave that one. even if it gets buffed no one would use it
Ballence the 3 other bops to redeemer levels, basically just give panther and widow more grid, not sure on the sin, and the sin, panth need 1 more turret each and widow might need another launcher.
these ships already offer a very specialised role so buffing them does seem slightly besides the point.
warping cloaked would be completely imba and anyone saying so should have their intel buffed.
eos - try giving it 5 heavys and giving drone dmg bonus in place of hybrid bonus, and -1 high and turret slot. MUST KEEP EWAR LINK BONUS.
i honestly cant think of any other ships that seriously need buffing. ppl need to keep in perspective that if you buff say a teir 1 bc it makes the tier 2 less worth paying the extra money for. if you fit it right, a cyclone is not too dissimilar to a cane. and much cheaper. so the cane needs to be bettar to make it worth the isk.
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Exploited Engineer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.21 07:49:00 -
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shlakkk wrote:navy osprey is just lolfail might just have to leave that one. even if it gets buffed no one would use it
Rip out launcher slots, put in ~5 turret slots, give it bonuses to medium hybrid damage and/or optimal and medium hybrid falloff.
Hey, the Gallente have some railgun boats, why shouldn't the Caldari be allowed to play with blasters? And putting them on their "fastest cruiser" would make some sense.
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shlakkk
Drama Llamas
Phobia.
6
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Posted - 2012.01.21 07:55:00 -
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King Rothgar wrote:1) Sin: 5% agility bonus changed to something else (anything is better than that, even cargo capacity). +100% HP, addition of combat recon level resists, 50% more jump drive range.
2) Panther: +1 turret, +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range.
3) Redeemer: +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range.
4) Widow: +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range.
5) Retribution: utility high slot moved to midslot.
the AF are getting buffed to insane levels anyway, forget retri
your proposed changes to bops make them lolwtfsolopwnmobiles. 100% increase to hp and TII resists? redeemer can already hit 100kehp now. why do you want it to have 250kehp and 1k+dps and a jump drive and no targeting delay after decloaking and a covert jump portal generator.
you sir, are a tool. |
shlakkk
Drama Llamas
Phobia.
6
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Posted - 2012.01.21 07:57:00 -
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Exploited Engineer wrote:shlakkk wrote:navy osprey is just lolfail might just have to leave that one. even if it gets buffed no one would use it Rip out launcher slots, put in ~5 turret slots, give it bonuses to medium hybrid damage and/or optimal and medium hybrid falloff. Hey, the Gallente have some railgun boats, why shouldn't the Caldari be allowed to play with blasters? And putting them on their "fastest cruiser" would make some sense.
that would be perfect. not op, just good
but no one would use over a navy vexor...
u see why i cant really see any hope for it?
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Slightly Mental
The Exploration and Survey Collective
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Posted - 2012.01.21 19:33:00 -
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no rohk love :( |
Khrage
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Posted - 2012.01.21 23:54:00 -
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Slightly Mental wrote:no rohk love :(
it's fine. esspecially in context of this thread asking for the top five. so many other ships that need help 1000 times more than the rokh. |
Ehn Roh
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.22 02:22:00 -
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Liam Mirren wrote:Any list that doesn't have the Navy Osprey on it is by definition incomplete. Go and try make a Nosprey fit that makes sense, I dare you.
"The fastest Caldari cruiser in existence"
Hey, but it's "fast" right? How can you go wrong? 
I think a lot of the "bad" ships among the vanilla T1 boats is a matter of people trying to use them for things they aren't really intended for. Seems the "lol-bad" ships really seem to start when you get into T2 hulls.
I would suggest that most of the bigger problems are coming from mechanics and modules, not ship hulls.
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Brutor Slavechild 1039248223
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Posted - 2012.01.22 02:41:00 -
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Anything that is meant to use med rails or cruise missiles is p. much garbage.
Eagle is probable the most embarassingly awful t2 ship in the game with absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I think caldari have a leg up on most other races in this regard. Their gunships have a rare gem or two with certain fits, but on the whole they're now mediocre (up from embarassment pre-hybrid-buff). The missile ships have some outright awsome hulls, but more of them are underused for various reasons, missile sniping being a non-role is probably cheif among them.
I almost feel bad for ecm wh0res out there. Blatantly too good in small gangs, but I have no idea how ccp will come up with a balanced fix. Chances are good if the falcon and rook get taken off the awsome list caldari are going to fly drakes even more. As a life-long minmatar pilot, I would be seriously pissed off if the only viable ship to fly was the hurricane. Much as I love the hurricane, I need to fly other things every now and then, and it is far more flexible than the drake. |
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Trinkets friend
Obstergo
NEM3SIS.
105
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Posted - 2012.01.22 04:36:00 -
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The Falcon and Rook will look a little less OP when damps get buffed. Right now, for example, you need a minimum of two damps to knock out the targeting on ONE ship, with a Lachesis. Falcon can permajam most ships with ease with one jam each. If the SD buff goes the way I hope, you may be able to address this imbalance via having Lachesis' which can knock 75% off with one damp (turning a 110km Tengu range into 25km).
This talk of the Panther et al. being crap will inevitably get the BLOPs prosufs saying "lul lrn 2 BLOPs". I agree to some extent, that skill is needed, but I don't think doubling EHP alone will make these ships useful - it will just see more being killed because the people using them can't do the tactics of BLOPs hotdrops properly. I don't agree that flying cloaky would be OP at the moment, the way their DPS, EHP, etc runs. T3's can do this and fit much more in the way of EWAR (24km webs, etc). I won't cry if they don't change this.
People mentioning the Cyclone as a crap ship need their heads inspected.
Same with the Execquror. This is a viable logi cruiser for cheapfit gangs and nubs.
My top 5:
Eagle
Augoror
Sin (because its woeful)
Eos
T1 frigs, T1 cruisers, EWAR frigs and Lachesis
The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man.
Sun Tzu
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Todd Jaeger
Grim Determination
Nulli Secunda
4
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:16:00 -
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Naradius wrote:Phantasm
It looks cool in the hanger, but suffered big time with the Sansha nerf - terrible HP and no cap.
Ishtar
I don't know...whatever I try or do with it, I can always find something better to use for PvP...makes me a sad bunny. Never recovered from the nano nerf.
Eos
I agree with previous posts. Info links suck, so as a Cpmmand Ship the Eos sucks.
Deimos
What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!
Only 4?...hmmm, ok - most Caldari hybrid/rail platforms need some kind of buff.
i agree,phantasm is almost useless unless you want to shoot a single frigate a a time,ishtar is pretty hardcore in the hand of a pro,not know much about eos,and deimos is one of the toughest hacs in the hand of a pro.
coercer needs buff (a mid slot to be precise)
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DooDoo Gum
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.25 04:19:00 -
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The widow needs an isk cost buff |
Brynhilda
Massive PVPness
EntroPraetorian Aegis
78
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:56:00 -
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No mention of the Phantasm?
How may I drug you with drugs? |
Hijeri
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
68
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Posted - 2012.01.26 13:27:00 -
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Drake, Hurricane. |
Izziee
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.26 14:05:00 -
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By far the dominix is the most useless.
It's so freaking ugly I can't bring myself to use it. I tried, oh how I tried to pretend it's like one of those ugly girls that make you happy, so you take her out in private so no one can see you, but the thing is, people do see me in it, so I dumped her, she sits in my bay crying that I don't play with her anymore. I've tried to make her diet but alas, nothing.
To me, it's the most useless because it just sits there. All lumpy like.
Now, if she got a make over, she'd be the best damn thing in the Universe, but until then, she's just another embarrassing body I don't wish to be seen with. |
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