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annoing
Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.
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Posted - 2007.09.06 07:27:00 -
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Ive been exploring for a while and just lately (since patch tbh) I have been getting this problem......
I scan the usual way, multispectral, gather the results, go and fit out my ship with the correct probes and off I go. Ive specifically been searching out Gravimetric sites (in deep 0.0). I use my quest probes and wait until i'm lucky enough to find the signature. My quests will give the result, I warp to point, pull out my Pursuit (depending on the distance given) and start the rescan (here the trouble starts, I get ALOT of 'nothing found' from now on, more than 90% of the time when using Pursuit). If i'm lucky I get the next stage. And from now on everything goes wrong UNLESS it is a complex. If I use a Comb or Sift probe the answer will ALWAYS be 'nothing found'. If I use a Pursuit probe again it will be 'nothing found'. I have to fire another Quest probe to get a result. The Quest probe might give it less than 0.5au but the other porobes will not give a result. I got to 23k away last night (with a Pursuit) but still 'nothing found' when using Sift or Comb. However, none of this applies if it is a complex hiding within a Gravi scan. Found 3 x Radiance (drone complex) last night + one 9/10 complex. I stayed over 4 hours in the one system last night (only 6 planets), used more than 60 quest probes and too many of the others. Why did I stay over 4 hours? Well, as it wasnt a Radiance or other complex I was determined to find this elusive belt. Surely Ark or Mexocit would be my prize.... . Still havent found the belt . Is it me or is it you too?
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annoing
Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.
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Posted - 2007.09.06 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: annoing on 06/09/2007 10:29:37 Well ive admitted defeat.
Tried again today in the same system. Easily found the signature with Quest probes but got 100% fail on all other probes. I even got paranoid enough to drop the probe and then warp out before starting the scans in the hope that maybe my ship was causing the negative results.
If this is a bug then its f***** annoying and CCP should know better (or maybe not), if this a marked difficulty increase then they should be ashamed. I have lvl4 on all related skills and I am currently training astometrics lvl5 so I dont think its a skill issue.
Oh and i'm not stupid enough to even believe that a GM or Dev would even look in here to see our qualms. So I dont know what I can do now to progress in this. Its actually enough to cause me to refine my probes and scanner out of sheer frustration. I certainly dont want to explore for the for-seeable future. And this skill actually re-ignited my love affair with Eve
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IgorIVVasiljevic
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.09.06 12:37:00 -
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8 planet sytem: Gravimetric --> quest7x--> pursuit(10x) -->double comb (10x) --> 6.300,00 km --> sift 7h nothing found. I have read OP Center (T.Clancy's) e-book in that time.
next day (4h) --> i have read another Op Center book - nothing
I gave up. Gravimetric site and Clancy's books...
Chance based ?? Nochance based IMO....
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Fren Mallow
Gallente Bluestar Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.09.06 13:57:00 -
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It's the same for me too
@OP - please alter the thread title from: "Only me or is it you too?" to "Exploration success rate dropped massively since last patch(36191) for me!" - this way others might join our bandwaggon.
However, here's my story: Before the patch, the Radar Sigs I searched with Quests had a sig strength of 0.05 to 0.15 (something in that area) and I found my .5au hits within 10 trys. I even let the quests give me 1 or 2 more hits, for placing 2 or 3 sifts and a faster "0m" hit to the site. But since that patch it's gotten harder.. although the sig-strength of the sites I search for has risen. Ususally their strength has doubled, but I don't get as much hits as before (60mins is minimum now, for a .7au hit.. ). And when I used 1 or 2 sifts on a site, I now have to use 20 and more to get a 500km hit..?!? Don't get me started on the pursuit or combs.. they where BS even before the patch..
Skills: Astrometrics lvl4 Astrometric Pinpointing lvl4 Astrometric Triangulation lvl4 Siganl Aquisistion lvl5 Covert Ops lvl5 2 gravi riggs
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Shiela
Caldari Warrior Nation United SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.06 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Shiela on 06/09/2007 19:52:44 Same here, haven't found anything "intentionally" since the patch. No gravs, no radars, no DED plexes. Once in a while if i'm lucky I will be thrown a bone in the form of one of the old encounter sites, too bad none of them have turned into expeditions like they used to. --------------------------------------------- Need cheap and safe rearch done? Feel free to contact Steve TheWraith in game, or visit: http://warriornation.net/Forum/showthread.php?t=290332 |
Reverend Revelator
Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.09.06 20:05:00 -
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Well, so far after patch I have found, on my alt, 2 mags, 1 gravi, like 5 plexes and loads of encounters. My alt has:
Covops 5 Astrometrics 5 Sig Aq 4 Ast Triang 4 Ast Pinpoint 4
I have read elsewhere that sometimes a lvl 5 skill gets bugged, maybe if ppl who has this problem, and ppl who don't too, can post their exploration skills?
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.09.06 20:44:00 -
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Zero problems. I'm just stealing all your sites before you get to them.
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Lutien
Caldari z-inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.07 16:18:00 -
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i also have these problems, no problem finding the unnknow sig. but the grav. will not show, after countless attempts over serveral day's.
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James Santiago
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Posted - 2007.09.08 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: annoing Edited by: annoing on 06/09/2007 10:29:37 I even got paranoid enough to drop the probe and then warp out before starting the scans in the hope that maybe my ship was causing the negative results.
Probably not a good idea. From the exploration guide:
Quote: Can you analyze while warping? No, and if you warp while analyzing it will finish prematurely with no results
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Reverend Revelator
Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.09.08 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: James Santiago
Originally by: annoing Edited by: annoing on 06/09/2007 10:29:37 I even got paranoid enough to drop the probe and then warp out before starting the scans in the hope that maybe my ship was causing the negative results.
Probably not a good idea. From the exploration guide:
Quote: Can you analyze while warping? No, and if you warp while analyzing it will finish prematurely with no results
Can analyze while warping now, it's no problem.
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Thommy
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Posted - 2007.09.08 19:26:00 -
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Perhaps try creating bookmarks arround the spot you did find and drop a few more probes on the corners that are possible anyway. I would guess haveing some probes cover the same space would increase your chances.
Other then that not sure what else you can do but skill up further / maximise on skills (and implants).
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annoing
Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.
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Posted - 2007.09.09 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Thommy Perhaps try creating bookmarks arround the spot you did find and drop a few more probes on the corners that are possible anyway. I would guess haveing some probes cover the same space would increase your chances.
Well i,ve managed to find this site after ignoring it for 3 days - I found it with 1 quest, 2 comb and 2 sifts. I dropped the quest in the saved bookmark, got the result to 200k, dropped a sift and got a 'nothing found'. Dropped a comb, warped out to a spot 1.05au away and dropped another. Ran the scans and got 'nothing found' from both. Repeated the scans with both and got a 12k. Dropped a sift and got a result. Turned out it was/is a 'exploration large' site. We plan to mine it today.....
Im positive (in my own mind that is) that warping out from the scan bubble helped. Ignoring the first 'bothing found' and repeating scan also helped.
But thankyou all for your replys. I still think that there might have been a change within the patch to make it slightly harder to find these sites or maybe its a small bug. Either way, enough people seem to think its more difficult.
PS: Of all the sites I have found over the last couple of months, not a single one of them has been outside the inner core of planets. Anything outside 10au of the sun has never got a result. Coincidence or has everyone found this to be true? It will save alot of probes if in a 12 planet system you know never to look any further than planet 5.
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Insidi Us
Amarr Suicidal Mercenaries The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.09.09 08:20:00 -
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I tried for an hour to scan down a magneto site near the core planets, to no avail. Then I found another one in the same constellation, not in the core area, and was able to find it in three or four scans.
In the same system I had trouble finding the magneto was a complex/encounter (Gurista Base). I found that one almost every time with my scans, and it too was in the core planet area.
I don't know what to think. -----------
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Boknamar
Gallente The Knights Trevor
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Posted - 2007.09.09 09:06:00 -
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Edited by: Boknamar on 09/09/2007 09:06:44
Originally by: Reverend Revelator Can analyze while warping now, it's no problem.
That is not entirely correct. Warping can still disrupt scanning, although it doesn't happen all the time, because it is not the act of warping that stops the scan, as it used to be, it is accelerating to maximum warp velocity. If you start a scan, then warp, and you reach a certain speed, the scan will end. If you warp, then start a scan when you are at your max warp speed, the scan will not be interrupted. If you warp between two relatively close points, and start decelerating before you reach maximum speed, then the scan also will not be interrupted, no matter when you started it.
It is therefore understandable how one could come to the conclusion that warping has no effect on the scan, because ships often don't reach their max warp velocity when warping between two points. This is especially true in a covert ops frigate, with its rather high maximum warp speed of 13.5 AU/sec. It would take a pretty long distance in warp for the ship to accelerate to that speed.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.09.09 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Boknamar
Originally by: Reverend Revelator Can analyze while warping now, it's no problem.
That is not entirely correct. Warping can still disrupt scanning, although it doesn't happen all the time, because it is not the act of warping that stops the scan, as it used to be, it is accelerating to maximum warp velocity. If you start a scan, then warp, and you reach a certain speed, the scan will end. If you warp, then start a scan when you are at your max warp speed, the scan will not be interrupted. If you warp between two relatively close points, and start decelerating before you reach maximum speed, then the scan also will not be interrupted, no matter when you started it.
It is therefore understandable how one could come to the conclusion that warping has no effect on the scan, because ships often don't reach their max warp velocity when warping between two points. This is especially true in a covert ops frigate, with its rather high maximum warp speed of 13.5 AU/sec. It would take a pretty long distance in warp for the ship to accelerate to that speed
That's very interesting.
I have seen some other odd behavior though while warpscanning, though mostly I scan out of warp. For instance yesterday, I started a scan and initiated warp, and as soon as I entered warp, the scan apparently stopped because the Analyze screen came up again. So when I came out of warp, I restarted the scan. But amusingly enough, that scan seemed to finish ~30 seconds early giving me the result screen.
One explanation would be that the first scan had been going on in the background the whole time. If so, I'm not sure if the second scan completed or not, as it was a multispec, and the results would have been identical.
Anyway, it's obviously bug report material if I can narrow it down a little more and duplicate it, but it just goes to show the interaction between warping and scanning isn't perfectly seamless. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Yldraeth
Amarr Pax Britannia
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Posted - 2007.09.09 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Yldraeth on 09/09/2007 17:43:54 I have had the exact same thing as the poster before me where the scan seemed to abort but the next scan i did finished ahead of time. Every time i had it was when i started the scan before or during warp
Edit: + yes the succes rates seem ****** up
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Suncats Shadow
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.10 17:22:00 -
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I think some thing has changed for the scanning of some of the explore sites.
Last week I was able to scan down the radar, magna and grav site in an average amount of time. That being less than an hour and doing multiple scans.
Then a while back I am spending hours doing 10-20 scans with quest probes and getting no hits at all? For some of the ones I have gotten hits on the sig str is similar to the ones I was getting before.
Just last night, scanning for a grav site I did 15 scans with quests and finally got a hit. 1500 km on accuracy, so warp to the sig and drop the 2au probe and scan. 15 scans later I get another hit; but that has an accuracy of 2500km? Something is really screwed up?
Well that is my two iskies. P.S. I am training up the second sig skill to lvl 4 now.
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Boknamar
Gallente The Knights Trevor
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Posted - 2007.09.10 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Suncats Shadow Just last night, scanning for a grav site I did 15 scans with quests and finally got a hit. 1500 km on accuracy, so warp to the sig and drop the 2au probe and scan. 15 scans later I get another hit; but that has an accuracy of 2500km? Something is really screwed up?
I'm a little baffled as to why you used a 2AU probe when the accuracy from your last scan was approximately 10^-5 AU.
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Nestor Ne'Arthe
Amarr Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.09.11 02:19:00 -
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Yesterday I've scanned down a radar site in 0.0 in about 40 minutes. The most annoying part was 3 or 4 sift probes I had to burn before I got a 0m accuracy hit (the first one).
Doesn't really seem that bad.
Totally side question, where can i find 'Elemental Crux' ? Haven't seen any in the three mag and radar sites (each) I've done so far. --
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Fluxom
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Posted - 2007.09.11 12:06:00 -
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I just wantedto reply quickly to what was said although I have only read the first few. I found my success rate with combs and sift have went down extremely since the patch as well. Although I only scan high sec.....Just noticed and wanted to comment on that you are not the only one :). Will read the other posts later.
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Adhar Khorin
Amarr Portsmouth Defense Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.11 23:24:00 -
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Edited by: Adhar Khorin on 11/09/2007 23:24:28 It's nice (though disheartening) to see other pilots with the same issue. I have had the experience of finding grav/mag/radar sites within a few scans with the quest probes, and then wasted 8 pursuit probes trying to pin the site down.
I'm convinced there is something wrong with the Pursuit probes.
So much so, that I'd prefer to run some overlapping bookmarks and blanket an area with combs.
It would be great if the developers could investigate this. How many of you have already submitted bug reports?
Edit: Astrometrics 5 Covops 4 Other skills at 4.
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Titus Quintus
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Posted - 2007.09.12 14:39:00 -
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There appears to be bug which crops up rarely:
When doing the last pinpointing scan run with sifts, they simply refuse to find anything, even though the probability of finding the site is around 60% per scan. I burned through a dozen sifts after giving up and finding a second <0.5au spot with quests.
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Revdkor Whorlstev
Minmatar Black Aces
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Posted - 2007.09.12 21:13:00 -
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Yeah it seems to be probing out sites has gotten much more difficult too. I spent 5 hours trying to find a gravimetric site in empire today went thrrough 24 quest probes and around 6 sift probes.
I haven't attempted the probing while warp thing but I have noticed that you can now hit the analyze button while cloaked and it will work.
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Bom Bolenath
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Posted - 2007.09.13 17:02:00 -
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I've heard a few senior explorers suggest that probes have fall-off. By this logic, if your accuracy is .9au, you woun't want to use a comb, but a pursuit, because (apparently) the comb probe becomes near useless the closer it gets to 1au.
I've generally tried to implement this as a rule-of-thumb and haven't had any of the problems described here. There questing can take hours upon hours, even with max skills, I've found. That apparently is just the nature of the game. Good sites can have extremely faint signals that defy the patience of even the most stalwart explorer. The current probing times required for some sites, IMHO, is borderline ridiculous. Not a bug, but obnoxious. An hour of questing, ok. 6-10 hrs? Seriously, CCP, that's just sadistic.
Bom!
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.09.13 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Bom Bolenath I've heard a few senior explorers suggest that probes have fall-off. By this logic, if your accuracy is .9au, you woun't want to use a comb, but a pursuit, because (apparently) the comb probe becomes near useless the closer it gets to 1au.
No falloff, per se, but their chance to get a hit and its accuracy does vary inversely with the range up to the probe's maximum.
I'll have to run some numbers later and see if the range multiplier ever exceeds the strength advantage of shorter range probes.
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Titus Quintus
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Posted - 2007.09.14 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bom Bolenath I've heard a few senior explorers suggest that probes have fall-off. By this logic, if your accuracy is .9au, you woun't want to use a comb, but a pursuit, because (apparently) the comb probe becomes near useless the closer it gets to 1au.
Yeah, I can vouch on that. Even though it is not documented, probes DO have a falloff region. I place its somewhere in the outer 20% of its scan radius.
So finding a site with 0.40au accuracy means getting out those combs first. Even though nominally sifts have a range of 0.5au.
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Malister Black
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2007.09.14 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Bom Bolenath The current probing times required for some sites, IMHO, is borderline ridiculous. Not a bug, but obnoxious. An hour of questing, ok. 6-10 hrs? Seriously, CCP, that's just sadistic.
I fully agree. I've spent up to 7 hours in a single system just to get a hit with quests. Then of course comes the scanning with the other probes after that.
Sadistic was the perfect word for it.
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sliver 0xD
Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.09.14 16:06:00 -
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if u use more then 1 acount as in scaning with a gang. then u get more chance on a hit.
goes faster and u will be only scanning for 1 hour max. sometimes 2 hours if u get unlucky but most things u can scan down in 30 min to 45min.
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