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D8 PREACHER
Reiskokopops
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Posted - 2007.09.07 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: General StarScream Hey whats wrong with some of you people?
it was a good fight, they did what they tought was best, and it did not work vs a well rounded BoB setup.
some of you should be ashamed of your self, for this kinda minsless trash talking about others.
its just bad taste, atlest post with your main, if you dear to talk like that to others.
to those whom feel the need to say turd stuff like this.
go make a troll post on the test fourm, and smack away.
but try and show some respect for the fighters and the tourney.
its cleery well ran.
QFT
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Intigo
Amarr The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.09.08 01:27:00 -
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Anyone foolish enough to think they threw this match need a reality check.
1) This is the group stages and as long as they win their last fight they're pretty much secured a spot among the final 16 anyway? 2) They've won all 3 tournaments so far, are you implying they got everyone to throw their matches back then too? 3) UNL may be top-notch PvP'ers, but their showing so far in the tournament has been less than stellar. Why would you pay someone to throw their match against you when you've fought harder teams and beaten them fairly multiple times before?
Those 3 points only reinforce how stupid it is to think that BoB threw this match. I honestly don't understand where all the tinfoil-hattery is coming from. Silly trolls. :\ --
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Ohne
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.08 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Intigo Anyone foolish enough to think they threw this match need a reality check.
1) This is the group stages and as long as they win their last fight they're pretty much secured a spot among the final 16 anyway? 2) They've won all 3 tournaments so far, are you implying they got everyone to throw their matches back then too? 3) UNL may be top-notch PvP'ers, but their showing so far in the tournament has been less than stellar. Why would you pay someone to throw their match against you when you've fought harder teams and beaten them fairly multiple times before?
Those 3 points only reinforce how stupid it is to think that BoB threw this match. I honestly don't understand where all the tinfoil-hattery is coming from. Silly trolls. :\
Its stupid but something was very very wierd about that match. I actually thought that they had forgotten their drones...
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Agmar
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.08 07:02:00 -
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Little known facts about BoB:
When you fight a BoB gang, your drone bay is instantly reduced to 0.
And Zenst.... wt* m8?!? You didn't salvage those ships? That is going to tick Dian off even worse!!! _______
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Sha4d13
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Posted - 2007.09.08 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Intigo Anyone foolish enough to think they threw this match need a reality check.
1) This is the group stages and as long as they win their last fight they're pretty much secured a spot among the final 16 anyway? 2) They've won all 3 tournaments so far, are you implying they got everyone to throw their matches back then too? 3) UNL may be top-notch PvP'ers, but their showing so far in the tournament has been less than stellar. Why would you pay someone to throw their match against you when you've fought harder teams and beaten them fairly multiple times before?
Those 3 points only reinforce how stupid it is to think that BoB threw this match. I honestly don't understand where all the tinfoil-hattery is coming from. Silly trolls. :\
I think you have to re assess your starting point ot understand what happened here. UNL are by no means top notch PvPers. They are lousy and used to get pushed around by corps and alliances half their size until TCF came and helped them out in taking I-NG.
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Kushion
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Posted - 2007.09.08 08:08:00 -
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1. Of all the ways to throw a match, why do it in the dumbest way possible? It's fairly easy to appear to put up a decent fight but still lose.
2. Why would BoB pay UNL, of all people, to throw a match? Quite frankly, they have done very poorly. They've completely steamrolled better teams. Why pay money for what you can easily do for free?
3. Why now? They've already got the points to go on...
4. Why would UNL do it? Did they honestly think they had a chance at winning? And if they thought they could actually win, could anything BoB give them be better than the tourney rewards + bragging rights + getting back at their sworn enemies?
5. Why would BoB pay them when they can just use their wtfgmhaxsploitzomg? It's a well known fact that BoB can cause a ship to spontaneously asplode wth nothing more than the power of their mind. /tinfoil
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.09.08 08:15:00 -
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I have been going over and over this in my head and the only explanation I can find that makes any sense whatsoever is a hot chick at BoB. I mean there must be one right?
UNL did not appear to be honestly trying to win. being paid to throw the match makes no sense since as pointed out above making the best showing against BoB would be a far better reward than any bribe. I see no other explanation than that a hot chick asked them to do it and they caved in.
Does anyone have a better explanation? ----- I'll be in my pod |
Perpello
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.08 08:22:00 -
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I expected the tinfoil hat brigade to have switched this thread from "BoB bribing UNL" to "BoB using hax to ECM jam Mymidons with 66 sensor strength" by now.
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Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2007.09.08 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Perpello I expected the tinfoil hat brigade to have switched this thread from "BoB bribing UNL" to "BoB using hax to ECM jam Mymidons with 66 sensor strength" by now.
Indeed, the whole 'UNL threw' or 'BoB paid them off', doesn't strike me as being anywhere near the truth.
But the sad thing is, with all that has happened in the past, BoB will always get those type of accusations thrown their way. Those few bad apples have made their mark, sorry to say.
Mag's
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DoctorGonzo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.08 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's But the sad thing is, with all that has happened in the past, BoB will always get those type of accusations thrown their way. Those few bad apples have made their mark, sorry to say.
One bad apple.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.08 09:15:00 -
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I don't hold with the whole tinfoil theories thing, but I do think UNL sucked bad. I've never seen a match go so completely wrong for anyone before. Even Derek managed better than that ------
Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts! |
Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.09.08 09:30:00 -
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Actually, hot chicks aside, the other option that really seems to explain it is a colossal breakdown of communications on UNL's teamspeak.
Most likely someone scrambles drones, someone else says "No don't scramble drones yet.", people start asking when to do it, you can't hear the commander. Because of this, people get distracted by the hubbub until they're suddenly 2 drone ships down. At this point accusations on teamspeak of having ruined the match take precidence over actually playing the game.
Not that I'm saying this is true but that kind of screwup can happen especially if people are under stress and inexperienced. ----- I'll be in my pod |
Abye
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.08 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: DoctorGonzo
One bad apple.
yoo MSN ? Makes more than one ___
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Templayer
Amarr Monks of War United Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.08 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Adonis 4174 Actually, hot chicks aside, the other option that really seems to explain it is a colossal breakdown of communications on UNL's teamspeak.
Most likely someone scrambles drones, someone else says "No don't scramble drones yet.", people start asking when to do it, you can't hear the commander. Because of this, people get distracted by the hubbub until they're suddenly 2 drone ships down. At this point accusations on teamspeak of having ruined the match take precidence over actually playing the game.
Not that I'm saying this is true but that kind of screwup can happen especially if people are under stress and inexperienced.
There was no teamspeak :D So cut this bull**** theories already. We failed to execute our plan due to perfect Bob play. Thats it.
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Zeoliter
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.08 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Abye
Originally by: DoctorGonzo
One bad apple.
yoo MSN ? Makes more than one
You're so bitter. I would be too if my corp name was made up of a racist slur. Think you're funny do ya?
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KBP7 GriefingAlt
Enough is Enough
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Posted - 2007.09.08 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Zeoliter
Originally by: Abye
Originally by: DoctorGonzo
One bad apple.
yoo MSN ? Makes more than one
You're so bitter. I would be too if my corp name was made up of a racist slur. Think you're funny do ya?
Why would you be bitter is your corp name was made up of a racist slur? Bitter towards who? How is S******dy a racist slur? Explain please.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.08 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 08/09/2007 11:04:27
Originally by: Zeoliter
Originally by: Abye
Originally by: DoctorGonzo
One bad apple.
yoo MSN ? Makes more than one
You're so bitter. I would be too if my corp name was made up of a racist slur. Think you're funny do ya?
How is Sniggerdly a racist slur? It's more than likely made up of the word "s******", as in to laugh derisively.
EDIT: Filter kills link. Dictionary search it yourself.
Unless your brain happens to be as small as this websites word filter, and you thinkg that*****pits are some sort of underwear. ------
Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts! |
Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios Pax Atlantis
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Posted - 2007.09.08 11:08:00 -
[108]
Were is a mod when you need one....
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.09.08 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0 Were is a mod when you need one....
Just north of Lincoln? ----- I'll be in my pod |
Frannkie
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Posted - 2007.09.08 12:34:00 -
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i think its more a case of bob having superior ecm / damp skills and totally locking untd down so they could do jack **** !
they have a mean ass rook pilot in their little set up..... nuff said
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.08 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Frannkie i think its more a case of bob having superior ecm / damp skills and totally locking untd down so they could do jack **** !
they have a mean ass rook pilot in their little set up..... nuff said
Drones auto-agro, without needing a target lock. It's why everyone is using them in this Tourney.
Or at least they do if you launch them... ------
Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts! |
Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2007.09.08 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: DoctorGonzo
Originally by: Mag's But the sad thing is, with all that has happened in the past, BoB will always get those type of accusations thrown their way. Those few bad apples have made their mark, sorry to say.
One bad apple.
Whatever the number, my point still stands.
Mag's
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Khorian
Gallente Excidium.
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Posted - 2007.09.08 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Frannkie i think its more a case of bob having superior ecm / damp skills and totally locking untd down so they could do jack **** !
they have a mean ass rook pilot in their little set up..... nuff said
Drones auto-agro, without needing a target lock. It's why everyone is using them in this Tourney.
Or at least they do if you launch them...
That was the problem, scattered fire from drones over multiple targets wont kill any ship in BoBs team. They wanted to focus fire with their drones but BoB ultimately shut most of their targetting down. So they got totally dominated by a superior team.
What counts is the end-result.
Would they have thrown the Heavy drones out, they would have been shot down while scattered accross multiple frigs. I don't understand why the experts said that this Setup of all setups "might have beaten boB". It didn't, it sucked.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.09.08 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Templayer
Originally by: Adonis 4174 Actually, hot chicks aside, the other option that really seems to explain it is a colossal breakdown of communications on UNL's teamspeak.
Most likely someone scrambles drones, someone else says "No don't scramble drones yet.", people start asking when to do it, you can't hear the commander. Because of this, people get distracted by the hubbub until they're suddenly 2 drone ships down. At this point accusations on teamspeak of having ruined the match take precidence over actually playing the game.
Not that I'm saying this is true but that kind of screwup can happen especially if people are under stress and inexperienced.
There was no teamspeak :D So cut this bull**** theories already. We failed to execute our plan due to perfect Bob play. Thats it.
Ok but didn't you fight back?
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CagedRage
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.09.08 14:59:00 -
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This is the alliance tournament... Even if BoB paid off UNL... It's not against the rules.
Okay, anyways, here's another idea for you folks... Actually doing the *proper* research would have told BoB that gallente racial jammers would give them the edge. Can I get a count on the number of mid slots on a Rook? Heh.
This game is designed to be dirty. I can't be the only one loving the drama!
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Ed Anger
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.09.08 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Templayer
There was no teamspeak :D So cut this bull**** theories already. We failed to execute our plan due to perfect Bob play. Thats it.
what plan? fly all the way over to their team and die?
if you have a ton of drone boats, why would you not release the drones? even if damped, if youre fired on they aggro. it really makes no sense.
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Shari Vegas
Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2007.09.08 15:21:00 -
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Maybe they were going to try to bump the Guardian out of range of the ships it was supposed to be repping!
Originally by: CCP Wrangler I have no clue.
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Brack Petersburg
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Posted - 2007.09.08 22:02:00 -
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k first off
1) yeah this is a alt, dont want any flak towards my main, my reasons are my own
2) yeah, i have a humongus tinfoil hat, bite me
opinion 1 > BoB payed UNL to throw the match, perhaps seeing those 5 myrms as too much of a risk, and not wanting to lose a almost certainly extremely well fitted team (gratz to whoever builds those fittings)
tbh im more ****ed at UNL if it did happen, for doing so unbelievably badly at it, i dont know, but those myrms that popped drones were either, trying to get some aggression and being uncertain, hence the pulls, or being screamed at by the FC to pull them in and let BoB kill them
and no, i dont hate BoB ive just got used to all the rumours, so i dont care tbh, 0.0 politics are behind me now
opinion 2 > if it wasnt anything dirty etc, then UNL really suck i can understand if the plan failed, being jammed and not being able to primary with those drones, but come on, who here would sit there and take it up the ass, sure, the drones with only auto re-agress-y thing random BoB ships (forget the name )
atleast it would have done something, maybe stretch the guardian to far as to lose a ship, myself yeah i know hindsight blah blah, after the first myrm dropped being a 1/5th of my teams DPS gone,during the 4th myrm taking dmg and still having no-one lock, would of ordered mass drone launch in a attempt to take atleast one BoB ship out with me.
im often compeletly scant in eve, but i would be mighty ****ed if i spent 60-70mills of anyones money, on a likely fully t2 myrm with t2 ogres, just to sit there and die, ive fought week old noobs in wars who can grasp the concept of `bah, im gonna atleast try something before i die!`
anyway, what a waste of 5 beautifull myrms and shame on UNL for taking it to the face, i hope they can improvise/resort to better actions after the tourney, or i smell mass war decs and alliance invasions on the way
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Ki An
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.09.08 22:30:00 -
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I am seriously amazed by the amount of morons shouting "OMGZ BOB PAYD UNL!!", or frankly even speculating about it. It's a sad testament to the route this game has taken during the last year. People are so busy coming up with conspiracy theories about why they are getting beaten that they never stop to think that maybe the other guy's where better. I am not saying UNL does this, as they have posted several times in this thread that BoB played excellent and beat them through superior tactics.
Let's analyze the fight, shall we? Five myrmidons who need to be in close range in order to do anything. They start speeding across the battlefield, sensibly keeping their slow drones in their bays until the ships get close enough to do anything. The first myrmidon goes pop. Now the four remaining myrmidons are still not in range due to being dampened. Perhaps one or two of them are able to get a lock, but it wouldn't be enough to make any difference, so the team captain decides to keep all the drones in the bays untill all of them can attack the same target (remember the BoB logistics ship doing extremely well in keeping their ships alive). Now the second myrmidon goes pop, just as the remaining three gets in range. Que the rook and racial ECMs. We now have three perma-jammed myrmidons, all jammed before dropping their drones, thus preventing auto aggro. We see a myrmidon attempting to gain aggro by releasing, scoping and re-releasing his drones. It doesn't work, and another one of them gets popped. Now it's just a matter of cleaning up the rest for BoB.
I'm not saying this is exactly how it happened, but it is a hell of a lot more plausible than BoB paying UNL to lay down, and definately more plausible than UNL actually AGREEING to lay down for isk.
You tin-foil hatters need to STFU and stop ruining this tournament.
/Ki
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.09.08 22:49:00 -
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That makes sense. What you are saying is that they tried too hard since their enemy was so scary. They held back their attacks until they could get to the perfect position which never prevented itself.
Believable. ----- I'll be in my pod |
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