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Lady Hofstedar
Nexus Confederation
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Posted - 2012.01.24 13:52:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:For those that are cheering on CCPs nuking of the Drake from orbit (Under greenlight from the CSM instead of telling us about it before them) Do you seriously think that ships like the Tengu will be spared?
Under this new return to the Incarna mindset in my opinion. It is not about fixing lower tier or higher class craft so they actually get used in fleet battles. It is about nuking anything that is actually useable for a solo pilot or small group. The Tengu will coming if you sit back and let this Drake nerf go on without protest.
This is a "misery loves company" approach and should be protested against. Otherwise it will continue until it reaches your favorite craft to fly.
Your a moron
Bottom line is, like the Tengu, the drake/tengur t3 cruisers aer massivley OP ships capable of doing a ton fo crap solo messing the market up
**** needs to be nerfed, ur just to selfish or stupid to see that |
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
134
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:24:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Max Von Sydow wrote:NERF? I'd almost call that a buff. Without the tank the drake is useless. Excuse me what? What ship is the #1 used ship in blobfare? And you do not think it might need a slight change?
"Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."
"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka |
Aphoxema G
Teraa Matar
209
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:18:00 -
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Now I'm pissed. The description for the Drake still reads with the old bonuses and I went through the trouble to get a drake-fit Gila because I refuse to do the intelligent thing and change the way I work. Damnit CCP keeping things the way I liked them! Change "Tracking Disruptors" to "Weapon Disruptors" (to include missiles) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=61502 |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
164
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:34:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Maybe there's a fundamental disconnect here between the 1337 PvP!!!!111!!!oneoeneone!! crowd, and those of us who remember the days before Internet? Cool Ad Hominem Bro.
My troll-fu >>>>>> your troll-fu.
Not ad hominem, either:
Simple observation, no more, no less.
And I'm not your "Bro," mate--**** off.
NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1159
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Posted - 2012.01.24 23:00:00 -
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I have a funny feeling that this Drake nerf is in fact the Gallente buff.
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Jack Corigan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.24 23:06:00 -
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The Drake is overplayed and ruins the experience of eve. The tank is seriously overpowered and way too many people hide behind it. There is a lot of other fascinating ships out there that players ignore because a drake feels like a safter option. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
164
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Posted - 2012.01.24 23:20:00 -
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Lady Hofstedar wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:For those that are cheering on CCPs nuking of the Drake from orbit (Under greenlight from the CSM instead of telling us about it before them) Do you seriously think that ships like the Tengu will be spared?
Under this new return to the Incarna mindset in my opinion. It is not about fixing lower tier or higher class craft so they actually get used in fleet battles. It is about nuking anything that is actually useable for a solo pilot or small group. The Tengu will coming if you sit back and let this Drake nerf go on without protest.
This is a "misery loves company" approach and should be protested against. Otherwise it will continue until it reaches your favorite craft to fly. Your a moron Bottom line is, like the Tengu, the drake/tengur t3 cruisers aer massivley OP ships capable of doing a ton fo crap solo messing the market up **** needs to be nerfed, ur just to selfish or stupid to see that
No, they are not. Just because something is an example of good game-design in a game that's mostly informed by bad game-design doesn't make it overpowered.
And nerfing everything into same-ish generic blandness instead of improving what's underpowered, that's always a brilliant solution
I know! Let's fix the Nighthawk--by nerfing a completely different ship (ref.: CSM Meeting Minutes).
Oh, ******* brilliant!
E: "You're," not "your." Calling others stupid is much more convincing when you get grade 2 grammar right whilst doing so. NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
337
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Posted - 2012.01.24 23:25:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Just because something is an example of good game-design in a game that's mostly informed by bad game-design doesn't make it overpowered.
But it makes it out of step with the whole game, and not belonging with everything else. Ships are meant to have strengths and weaknesses, which define their role in fleets. The Drake and Tengu are "overall good", and thus fulfilled too many roles. If there were more ships like the Drake/Tengu, we would see more variation of ships being flown, sure, but if they're all good at everything, that results in far more blandness than everyone flying crappy ships that are crappy at different things. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
164
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Posted - 2012.01.24 23:36:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I have a funny feeling that this Drake nerf is in fact the Gallente buff.
How is not explicitly giving Gallente ships what they need most--more base speed, close if not equal to Minmatar, and/or especially reduced penalties to same from armour-rigs/mods--going to benefit Gallente, again?
That race's ships are
STILL. TOO. *******. SLOW.
What the bloody **** does what the Drake/Cane/Tengu/whichever other ship the idiots are crying about being OP this week have to do with whole other race's ships' intrinsic, and still mostly-unaddressed, deficiencies?
**** that sucks needs fixing, not other ships that don't suck, (but are by no means "solo insta-pwn mobiles") getting nerfed because idiots who don't know how to fly/fit them got their asses handed to them by a Drake. Or a Hurricane. Or even a Tengu...(Since when should a 1.2Bn ISK ship not be powerful and versatile, especially a class that is based entirely around versatility? Tengus are not that hard to kill, by the way--a lot of the people flying them are idiots.)
What next: Rifter nerf?
"NERF IT BECAUSE I CAN'T FLY/ADAPT TO IT!! IT KEEPS BEATING ME!!! I DON'T LIKE TO EARN MY WINS, I WANT IT HANDED TO ME!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!"
For ****'s sake...
This myopic crap is almost as hathos-inducing as all the supercapital-nerf cry/troll-threads
NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
337
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Posted - 2012.01.24 23:47:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Holy mother of all ragefits.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
744
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Posted - 2012.01.24 23:49:00 -
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If you ask me and no one ever does, time to dust off the old dominix for missions. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
5561
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Posted - 2012.01.24 23:52:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Holy mother of all ragefits. It needed more capitals tbh.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
340
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Posted - 2012.01.24 23:53:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Holy mother of all ragefits. It needed more capitals tbh. Those just feel tacky. Lyr's post feels like was full of genuine, wonderful rage. I need to start collecting these things. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
5561
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:02:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Mag's wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Holy mother of all ragefits. It needed more capitals tbh. Those just feel tacky. Lyr's post feels like was full of genuine, wonderful rage. I need to start collecting these things. You have a good point there. One thing I have noticed though, Lyrr has been played like a fiddle in this thread and doesn't even realise it.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
164
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:04:00 -
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For ****'s sake...
I am sick-unto-death of repeating myself to blind screaming fools...
The Drake is not even remotely over-powered.
Look up the turret-tracking formula, and plug that small-city-size sig radius into the equation, then do the same for the missile-damage formula, and understand that yes, it has a heavy shield-tank, but that it also needs to make full use thereof.
No sig-tanking here, no matter how fast you get it going!
That sig-bloat, combined with the fact that even dual-nano'ed, it's not super-fast is what balances it's raw on-paper tank. If HM/nano-Drakes were as fast as a Tengu or Hurricane, then, arguably, yes, it would be over-powered. It isn't, ergo sum, it isn't.
It's DPS is middle of the road--at best--with HMs, and you lose 30% if you switch out damage types from Kinetics, plus the delayed damage of missiles balances out it's range. Other ships can be fit to hit much, much harder, much more quickly at similar ranges (Arty-Nado, hello?), whilst being just as fast or in some cases, much faster.
HAM-Drake: He must fight in scram/web/neut range, again loses DPS from switching damage types, and no sig/speed tank in that configuration. Plus, fitting-issues/gimping (ACR Rig + Reactor Control II needed, and near-max fitting skills) if you want to fit a medium neut, which all the other BCs can do much more easily.
Try turning off EFT/Pyfa, and actually using the damned ship before you scream for it to be nerfed.
For ****'s sake... NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
164
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:06:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Holy mother of all ragefits. It needed more capitals tbh.
Reading comprehension, and sarcasm-detection much?
NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
164
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:11:00 -
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Jack Corigan wrote:The Drake is overplayed and ruins the experience of eve. The tank is seriously overpowered and way too many people hide behind it. There is a lot of other fascinating ships out there that players ignore because a drake feels like a safter option.
Why does this matter, even if true?
You don't like it, no-one's forcing you to fly it.
No-one's forcing you not to come up with ways to counter/beat it, either, of which there are many.
Sig-radius : tank : speed--know it, live it, love it, and use it to help you kill those Drakes you hate so much. NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
5562
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:12:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Mag's wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Holy mother of all ragefits. It needed more capitals tbh. Reading comprehension, and sarcasm-detection much? Obviously you haven't.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
742
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:13:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Jack Corigan wrote:The Drake is overplayed and ruins the experience of eve. The tank is seriously overpowered and way too many people hide behind it. There is a lot of other fascinating ships out there that players ignore because a drake feels like a safter option. Why does this matter, even if true? You don't like it, no-one's forcing you to fly it. No-one's forcing you not to come up with ways to counter/beat it, either, of which there are many. Sig-radius : tank : speed--know it, live it, love it, and use it to help you kill those Drakes you hate so much.
I think you should shoot more of your emotional pain into this thread.
Seriously. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
164
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:18:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Holy mother of all ragefits.
My ability to suffer fools atrophies more and more as I age.
E: Oh, and if other 1337-PvP'ers consider airing that as "being played," well then...It's axiomatic that humans believe what they want to believe, so have at it! NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
344
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:19:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Jack Corigan wrote:The Drake is overplayed and ruins the experience of eve. The tank is seriously overpowered and way too many people hide behind it. There is a lot of other fascinating ships out there that players ignore because a drake feels like a safter option. Why does this matter, even if true? You don't like it, no-one's forcing you to fly it. No-one's forcing you not to come up with ways to counter/beat it, either, of which there are many. Sig-radius : tank : speed--know it, live it, love it, and use it to help you kill those Drakes you hate so much. I think you should shoot more of your emotional pain into this thread. Seriously.
I found the soundtrack for this thread. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
164
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:23:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Xolve wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Jack Corigan wrote:The Drake is overplayed and ruins the experience of eve. The tank is seriously overpowered and way too many people hide behind it. There is a lot of other fascinating ships out there that players ignore because a drake feels like a safter option. Why does this matter, even if true? You don't like it, no-one's forcing you to fly it. No-one's forcing you not to come up with ways to counter/beat it, either, of which there are many. Sig-radius : tank : speed--know it, live it, love it, and use it to help you kill those Drakes you hate so much. I think you should shoot more of your emotional pain into this thread. Seriously. I found the soundtrack for this thread.
Thanks for the suggestion, mate, but I prefer things on the darker end of the spectrum, myself.
Fake-Edit: Activate bass-boost if tune-engine is so equipped, and play extremely loud!
NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
5562
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:23:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Xolve wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Why does this matter, even if true?
You don't like it, no-one's forcing you to fly it.
No-one's forcing you not to come up with ways to counter/beat it, either, of which there are many.
Sig-radius : tank : speed--know it, live it, love it, and use it to help you kill those Drakes you hate so much. I think you should shoot more of your emotional pain into this thread. Seriously. I found the soundtrack for this thread.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Aldous Borrn
Originated Saviors Bringers of Death.
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:24:00 -
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I, for one, welcome our new Drake-free overlords. |
Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
742
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:25:00 -
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I think you need to suppress your anti-social anger induced psychosis, not amplify it. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
164
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:25:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Jack Corigan wrote:The Drake is overplayed and ruins the experience of eve. The tank is seriously overpowered and way too many people hide behind it. There is a lot of other fascinating ships out there that players ignore because a drake feels like a safter option. Why does this matter, even if true? You don't like it, no-one's forcing you to fly it. No-one's forcing you not to come up with ways to counter/beat it, either, of which there are many. Sig-radius : tank : speed--know it, live it, love it, and use it to help you kill those Drakes you hate so much. I think you should shoot more of your emotional pain into this thread. Seriously.
One day, I hope to be as 1337 as you.
Mother of All Gods be praised, that day is not today.
NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
5562
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:26:00 -
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Xolve wrote:I think you need to suppress your anti-social anger induced psychosis, not amplify it. It's also lacking a fiddle.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
347
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:33:00 -
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Nah, this seems more appropriate.
Real edit: Try to sing along to really feel it. |
Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
745
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:37:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:One day, I hope to be as 1337 as you.
Mother of All Gods be praised, that day is not today.
Oh so you've fallen victim to my riveting tales of exploits and battle prowess, and all the other reasons I'm better then you, huh? Because you know- thats all that I do, stroll around the forums and profess my awesomeness and superiority to the pleeb like masses of high sec and the lowliest of carebears. Get a grip space friend.
Go back to spewing out diatribes about how amazing High Sec is, and how the Drake isn't imbalanced in comparison to other Battlecruisers; and while you're at it please make mention of why people should be permitted to farm high sec incursions for the maximum duration of their life because after all thats what the devs had envisioned all along; and finally please talk at length as to why lowsec isn't broken and is chock full of content.
I might be a whole list of things, but at least delusional isn't one of them.
Pubbie. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Alara IonStorm
1483
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:39:00 -
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That was Beautiful.
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