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Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.09.13 06:35:00 -
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Greetings Pilots. Just thought I would let everyone who cares to read know about a little act of piracy by Jakoll and Erasmuz of NAMTZ'AAR K'IN alliance.
Their personal profiles state they are "ANTI PIRATE" and that they "I dont shoot neutrals unless they shoot them" and "NRDS = Not Red Dont shoot".
I am a reformed pilot after my many bad acts long in the past. I open an honest business and I am still harassed by these vigilantes who have no business doing so.
My corporation Advanced Logistics is 2 months old and we have never pirated Minmatar space or any other empire's space for that matter. I find it hard to believe my corporation was actually red.
Shots taken from the consoles of my pilots:
Checking the wreck after defending myself Salvaging the wrecks. That's what we do now, we salvage and haul. We are not pirates.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.09.13 07:13:00 -
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So your corp have NMTZ at negative standings, they have you at negative standings and you claim neutrality?
Your ship (assuming that you took the screenshots) was not with at least one salvager, but instead full of weapons. Doesn't sound like a logistic corporation to me. You maybe don't lie, but on the other hand don't speak the whole truth either.
------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it. |
Amira Silvermist
The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.09.13 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Also on the first screenshot you provide on the chat that was active it clearly shows that you say let's jump them.
Nice try though... ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.09.13 07:57:00 -
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Sure we are a logistics company. Everyone of my truckers are able to defend themselves though, that is why our convoys are rarely attacked.
We did set a trap for them. A trap to test whether or not we could trust them and I only set their corporation negative to see how many were in-system without having to look up each pilot individually. I guess that standing will remain now.
I'd like to point out that they would not have died if they did not engage. My suspicions proved true and I know for sure how to handle them in the future.
M-5 are awesome. Proof? Here, here and here. |
v3rtigo
Odins Ravens Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2007.09.13 08:07:00 -
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"Light a smoke, cause you just got ******"
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Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.09.13 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: v3rtigo "Light a smoke, cause you just got ******"
I couldn't care less what people think of my motives. My route is secure and I can comfortably do business on that route now without having to worry about these jackasses.
I was just trying to inform the community.
M-5 are awesome. Proof? Here, here and here. |
Redpants
Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.09.13 08:28:00 -
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What's your point here? You got waxed and you feel the need to inform all of Galnet? This is a terrific waste of bandwidth. Pat yourself on the shoulder. Too bad you're not sending this message out in your new clone courtesy of "Jakoll and Erasmuz of NAMTZ'AAR K'IN alliance."
The evidence you provided is solid. I'm sure CONCORD will keep it thier profiles marked URGENT. If it helps make you feel any better, I've already shed a tear for you.
"My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red." |
Gegi Wau
Minmatar Liberty Labs
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Posted - 2007.09.13 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Awox
We did set a trap for them. A trap to test whether or not we could trust them and I only set their corporation negative to see how many were in-system without having to look up each pilot individually. I guess that standing will remain now.
Attacking someone that you have negative standings with, because they have a history of piracy, doesn't count as piracy. Instead of setting a trap, you could have tried to contact their diplomat to work out standings? Just a thought.
By your own admission, the whole thing was staged, so it looks more like an attempt to discredit NMTZ than anything else. And the "Let's jump them" bit really speaks for itself...
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.09.13 11:41:00 -
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Thank you Awox. I enjoy a good laugh with my breakfast.
Now go and practice hard. Lunch time is fast approaching and I expect nothing less than my sides to be splitting with hysterics. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal |
Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.09.13 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gegi Wau
Originally by: Awox
We did set a trap for them. A trap to test whether or not we could trust them and I only set their corporation negative to see how many were in-system without having to look up each pilot individually. I guess that standing will remain now.
Attacking someone that you have negative standings with, because they have a history of piracy, doesn't count as piracy. Instead of setting a trap, you could have tried to contact their diplomat to work out standings? Just a thought.
By your own admission, the whole thing was staged, so it looks more like an attempt to discredit NMTZ than anything else. And the "Let's jump them" bit really speaks for itself...
I have since moved on, and even killed pirates in Molden Heath (which is what they claim to do). CONCORD set sting operations up all the time to get drug dealers and other criminals, this is no different.
There's absolutely no reason for my corporation to have negative standings. I do not see any unlawful kills on my combat tracker. Do you?
This post turned out how I expected, the so-called "anti-pirates" band together and claim it was wrong for me to test the waters of my home region. Whether or not it was a trap is irrelevant, everyone is missing the point that they commited the criminal act.
As for people suggesting contacting diplomats would have been a better plan of action. Well, I did. One month ago. A lot of good came from that. Turns out they just found a new entity to set negative so they can operate "NRDS"
M-5 are awesome. Proof? Here, here and here. |
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Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.09.13 12:49:00 -
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Thing is, Awox, you've done the "I'm not a pirate anymore" thing before...
-Eva-
Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time |
Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.09.13 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char Thing is, Awox, you've done the "I'm not a pirate anymore" thing before...
Have I? When?
M-5 are awesome. Proof? Here, here and here. |
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.09.13 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Mithrantir Ob''lontra on 13/09/2007 13:24:57
Originally by: Awox
I have since moved on, and even killed pirates in Molden Heath (which is what they claim to do). CONCORD set sting operations up all the time to get drug dealers and other criminals, this is no different.
There's absolutely no reason for my corporation to have negative standings. I do not see any unlawful kills on my combat tracker. Do you?
This post turned out how I expected, the so-called "anti-pirates" band together and claim it was wrong for me to test the waters of my home region. Whether or not it was a trap is irrelevant, everyone is missing the point that they commited the criminal act.
As for people suggesting contacting diplomats would have been a better plan of action. Well, I did. One month ago. A lot of good came from that. Turns out they just found a new entity to set negative so they can operate "NRDS"
I don't know you and so i don't know what you do or not, thus i refrain from characterizing you anything. But you come here accusing an alliance, with proof that is sketchy at least. I didn't said you are a pirate, but pointed the inconsistencies i saw. What you are, is being drawn by your actions. Keep them consistent with your words and you will be rewarded accordingly.
------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it. |
Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.09.13 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Also on the first screenshot you provide on the chat that was active it clearly shows that you say let's jump them. After detailing the ships that ended up in wrecks.
Excellent catch. Classic. Good work, NMTZ! -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services
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Saphros
Minmatar Lone Gunmen
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Posted - 2007.09.13 21:00:00 -
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The frase "forgive and forget" is best suited for people who have loss of memory...
Awox if you canĘt understand why people still consider you a pirate/pirate-familiar, you have bigger issues then NMTZ shooting you.
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McScruff
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Posted - 2007.09.14 01:40:00 -
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Damn I've been doing things wrong all my life.
Next time i start chatting to someone in a bar and want to be sure they are friendly i'll just punch them in the face. ______________________________________
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Feng Schui
Minmatar The Ninja Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.14 08:04:00 -
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Says the "pirate" that insinuated that he was going to wardec my corporation if I didn't lower my faction ammunition costs to below manufacturing costs.
Still waiting.
The Beginning <-- crap quality, need to redo, sorry :( |
Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.09.14 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: McScruff Damn I've been doing things wrong all my life.
Next time i start chatting to someone in a bar and want to be sure they are friendly i'll just punch them in the face.
Well, that's a poor analogy. They threw the first punch, I just predicted it and creamed them accordingliny.
M-5 are awesome. Proof? Here, here and here. |
Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.09.14 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Awox
Originally by: McScruff Damn I've been doing things wrong all my life.
Next time i start chatting to someone in a bar and want to be sure they are friendly i'll just punch them in the face.
Well, that's a poor analogy. They threw the first punch, I just predicted it and creamed them accordingliny.
"I was pretty sure they were going to shoot me, so I shot first."
Not the most convincing argument. Perhaps you should give up while you're behind. If NMTZ gangs weren't out to disrupt your shipping before, they certainly are now. Something tells me that your little adventure is going to end up being very bad for business. _
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Angel Redfire
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Posted - 2007.09.14 09:11:00 -
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Piracy is good for business, war is good for buisness.
I don't see any problem here.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.09.14 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Angel Redfire Piracy is good for business, war is good for buisness.
I don't see any problem here.
They're definitely good for my business. Then again, I am an arms dealer, so no surprise there. _
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Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.09.14 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux "I was pretty sure they were going to shoot me, so I shot first."
Not the most convincing argument. Perhaps you should give up while you're behind. If NMTZ gangs weren't out to disrupt your shipping before, they certainly are now. Something tells me that your little adventure is going to end up being very bad for business.
Except that's not what I'm claiming.
I see a Raven at a planet, alone. I see anti-pirates in local. I get curious so I warp to the planet and it is an anti-pirate. After approaching his ship to see if he was okay he fired upon me.
I had an ADVL ship scouting for possible POS locations come to my assistance, we made short work of the Raven and then a Deimos came in and attacked me aswell.
At no time did I engage first, at no time have I had a criminal timer in Molden Heath. See the bar at the top of the screen-shot? It's yellow. My ship's indicator would be flashing red if it was a criminal timer. But it wasn't. That's what the other guys had.
I love how you anti-pirates are spinning this. "Oh he went looking for a fight" then it's "Oh he must have shot first". For people who are suppose to fight for justice you sure dismiss a lot of facts.
As for my business being in jeopardy.. I highly doubt it. These guys know I can still hold my own if I have to and I will not be having trouble from them again.
M-5 are awesome. Proof? Here, here and here. |
Mori Felding
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.09.14 13:04:00 -
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Awox, did you reimburse your percentage of the kills while a pirate that was inflicted on NMTZ yet? ___
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MobyMule
Minmatar PoliCratton Technologies Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.09.14 13:07:00 -
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Awox you should know that you are probably going to be KOS to alot of MH for life. If you really are reformed then you need to work on getting the word out a little more.
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Dionisius
Gallente Critical Analysis Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.09.14 13:32:00 -
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Actually it may be possible that Awox is telling the truth on this one, when VAGAS were mercs we got alot of attention from so called anti-pirate corps and were even engaged, after we returned from our trip into 0.0 space we found Evati, our homesystem at the time ocupied by a indy and "suposed" anti-pirate corp that promptly attacked us also.
Furthermore when i was looking for a new corp, anti-pirate or merc i contacted some folks at Electus that didn't seem too interested in having another pilot joining their ranks , a bit cold chats i might add.
Nevertheless the benefit of the doubt should have been given here and not just jump on Awox at first sight.
He was a pirate, he knows combat so it was to be expected he would test the terrain, anybody would.
_____________________________________ Hello, i like to shoot random people.
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Popsikle
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.09.14 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Popsikle on 14/09/2007 14:52:21
Originally by: Dionisius Actually it may be possible that Awox is telling the truth on this one, when VAGAS were mercs we got alot of attention from so called anti-pirate corps and were even engaged, after we returned from our trip into 0.0 space we found Evati, our homesystem at the time ocupied by a indy and "suposed" anti-pirate corp that promptly attacked us also.
Furthermore when i was looking for a new corp, anti-pirate or merc i contacted some folks at Electus that didn't seem too interested in having another pilot joining their ranks , a bit cold chats i might add.
Nevertheless the benefit of the doubt should have been given here and not just jump on Awox at first sight.
He was a pirate, he knows combat so it was to be expected he would test the terrain, anybody would.
I like awox, ((OOC only of course)), he tends to be an OK guy. I even informed the EM leadership that he was now "anti-pirate" because I wanted to give him a chance, but I stuck my neck out for him TWICE when I was NMTZ leadership, and both times I got burned because he and hart went back to pirating.
The time for giving him the benifit of the doubt seems to have been long past in most peoples eyes. In eve reputation is everything and AWOX will never have the reputation of anything except a pirate to the AP forces of MH.
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Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.09.14 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Awox on 14/09/2007 17:04:35
Originally by: Mori Felding Awox, did you reimburse your percentage of the kills while a pirate that was inflicted on NMTZ yet?
You mean the war NMTZ declared on my then corporation - INFOD? I should pay reparations for a war you declared?
Originally by: Dionisius He was a pirate, he knows combat so it was to be expected he would test the terrain, anybody would.
Finally a voice of reasoning.
Originally by: Popsikle I like awox, ((OOC only of course)), he tends to be an OK guy. I even informed the EM leadership that he was now "anti-pirate" because I wanted to give him a chance, but I stuck my neck out for him TWICE when I was NMTZ leadership, and both times I got burned because he and hart went back to pirating.
Please remind me of these two occasions as I do not remember them.
The way I remember things I announced my intentions to leave the region once, which I did. I came back on legitimate business and was promptly shot at by people who said they would not hinder my travel.
Ever consider this could be a plausible explanation for the way you see things Pops?
I talk to you, or someone else about reforming. Many laughs are exchanged but I convince you I am serious, you (or whoever) agrees to mention it at the next council meeting. In the mean time, I have your vigilantes hunting me down and you expect me not to return fire?
I may have been a thief at one time, but I was never a bully. You guys wont be satisfied unless there are pirates (real or not) you can beat up on, and the smaller the organisation the better, right? Pathetic.
M-5 are awesome. Proof? Here, here and here. |
Xhanserbal
Minmatar Universal Exports
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Posted - 2007.09.14 18:13:00 -
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hmm Jakoll and Erasmuz you say, attacking someone we have set to negative. Must reward them.
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Reatu Krentor
Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2007.09.14 18:24:00 -
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Surely there must be an easy way to avoid getting shot at... oh I dunno maybe avoid the area?
You have stated stopping with piracy once(twice possibly) before already and you expect everyone in the area to believe you a third time? Reatu Krentor grins and posts --- My thoughts on Damps.
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Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.09.14 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Xhanserbal hmm Jakoll and Erasmuz you say, attacking someone we have set to negative. Must reward them.
They promptly died. Don't mess with this trucker.
Originally by: Reatu Krentor Surely there must be an easy way to avoid getting shot at... oh I dunno maybe avoid the area?
Why should I leave the area? You're either a bunch of vigilante bullies or trying to squash the competition. Which is it?
Originally by: Reatu Krentor You have stated stopping with piracy once(twice possibly) before already and you expect everyone in the area to believe you a third time? Reatu Krentor grins and posts
One time, and like I said. The only reason I started up again was because certain Anti-Pirates didn't let it go and I got sucked back into the life. Now I am back with a legitimate business and proof even that I have shot and killed other pirates, even pirates I used to be in the same corporation as.
M-5 are awesome. Proof? Here, here and here. |
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