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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.02.13 19:21:00 -
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Further to our previous announcement, I can confirm that Pilkington Industries will start selling the Heat Sink II from this weekend. Initial price will be 1 million ISK per unit. As this item is not yet listed on the market, sales will be via escrow.
For large orders please contact our CEO, J P Beauregard via Eve-mail.
Heat Sink II stats: Powergrid Requirement 5 MW CPU Requirement 40 tf Damage Modifier 1.1 Primary Skill required Weapon Upgrades Lvl 4 ROF Bonus 10.5
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Limelight
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Posted - 2004.02.13 19:58:00 -
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And there goes the pirated heatsink market - TY! |
Amin
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Posted - 2004.02.13 20:02:00 -
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Now that is a surprisingly cheap price, with extruded's going for 4mil+, you could have easily charged more. But i guess its credit to your corp that u havnt
Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator Caldari State Citizen ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.02.13 20:46:00 -
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Nothing wrong with making a profit, but we tend to draw the line at making 1000%+ profit :-)
Tends to annoy the customers for some reason.
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Kudikai
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Posted - 2004.02.13 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kudikai on 13/02/2004 21:23:22 I'm looking in escrow and I see none, but I guess it's not quite the weekend yet.
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Paniq
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Posted - 2004.02.13 21:33:00 -
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A friendly bump out of sheer respect.
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Zenst
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Posted - 2004.02.13 21:47:00 -
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Quote: Further to our previous announcement, I can confirm that Pilkington Industries will start selling the Heat Sink II from this weekend. Initial price will be 1 million ISK per unit. As this item is not yet listed on the market, sales will be via escrow.
For large orders please contact our CEO, J P Beauregard via Eve-mail.
Heat Sink II stats: Powergrid Requirement 5 MW CPU Requirement 40 tf Damage Modifier 1.1 Primary Skill required Weapon Upgrades Lvl 4 ROF Bonus 10.5
Very nice price Sir, much respect and sure your'll do very well.
/emote goes to join the esrow hunters :D
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FZappa
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Posted - 2004.02.13 21:53:00 -
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am just wondering whats considered a "large" order . i have no time to go hunt for escrows , but would like to order 6 of these modules if possible . evemail me if that can be arranged. -------------------------
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.02.13 22:55:00 -
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Uh oh. These are gonna sell like hell, just a fair warning to you
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TOXIC WASTE
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Posted - 2004.02.13 22:58:00 -
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Far too cheap a price
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SM60
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Posted - 2004.02.13 23:28:00 -
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What system will they be escrowed in?
-The end time has begun
-Viva la newb slaughter!!! |
Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.02.13 23:56:00 -
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A few comments:
With regard to price, I have no desire to cause problems for people selling pirate loot however when setting the price I was reminded of the fiasco with Miner 2s and the amount of resentment that was caused when it was learned that they were being sold for 4 million, when production cost was nearer 50k. And whilst the cost of making the Heat Sinks is a good bit more than 50k I am making a more than healthy profit on each unit. Neither me nor my corporation have any desire to be greedy for the simple reason we intend to be around a long while, and to manufacture not only the heat sinks but many other modules and ships as we expand the business. That being the case its does us no good whatsoever to be greedy on one module at the expense of loss of future business from angry customers.
Also, whilst the unit is very slightly better damage wise compared to extruded heatsinks it also uses a good bit more CPU, so for a 0.2% gain in damage you also get a 21% increase in the CPU fitting requirement. To my mind this makes it less attractive than the Extruded Heatsink, and the price reflects that.
With regards to production, unfortunately given that its Tech 2 things are a lil slower than usual. We can produce a maximum of 22 units per day and already have quite a few orders eve-mailed in :-) This is both good and bad, good in that the unit is popular, bad in that some customers will have to wait. Unfortunately, as most are probably already aware, copy time is even longer so there is no way to increase the rate of production at this time.
No matter what price we set I doubt that everyone would have been happy, and I am sure there will be people complaining that the price is still too high :-)
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.02.13 23:59:00 -
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And apologies for not mentioning the system they'll be appearing in:
Duvolle Labs, Luminare.
And for those looking it may now be Sunday before they start appearing given the lower than expected production rate.
Thanks again.
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Pheet'tungPAAk
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Posted - 2004.02.14 00:00:00 -
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these babies will be perfect for a frigate that wont care for cpu anyway
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.02.15 13:56:00 -
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A quick addendum:
Escrow at Duvolle in Luminaire and possibly beyond is utterly broken. The heat sinks that had been put up cannot be found by anyone but the employee who entered them into escrow. For now, the only way to buy is through direct orders which you can place with Celt Eireson.
Our order books are filled right now and the factory is at capacity. We will therefore not be taking on any new orders until Thursday, 2/19.
The price will remain at 1 million for now.
JP Beauregard
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FZappa
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Posted - 2004.02.15 14:02:00 -
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JP ,
did u list me down for 6 , or was my post above completely ignored ? -------------------------
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.02.15 14:07:00 -
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Quote: did u list me down for 6 , or was my post above completely ignored ?
I don't process the orders for the HSII, so your best bet would be to convo Celt asap and ask him. If he didn't see your post in time, you should ask him to fill your order out of those heatsinks that are currently locked in bloody escrow as soon as they drop back out which I pray won't take more than 2 days?
Sorry :-(
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.02.15 14:22:00 -
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FZappa
Sorry bout that, not ignored just missed. I have 6 available, if you convo or message me in-game I will arrange a time/place for you to pick them up.
Celt
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.02.15 14:49:00 -
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Quote: A few comments:
With regard to price, I have no desire to cause problems for people selling pirate loot however when setting the price I was reminded of the fiasco with Miner 2s and the amount of resentment that was caused when it was learned that they were being sold for 4 million, when production cost was nearer 50k.
Noble.
What steps are you taking to prevent any other trader from buying a bunch of them from you at 1mill, and selling them on at 5 mill? Because demand is going to hugely outstrip supply for a good while to come.
_______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age." |
JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.02.15 15:05:00 -
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Quote: What steps are you taking to prevent any other trader from buying a bunch of them from you at 1mill, and selling them on at 5 mill? Because demand is going to hugely outstrip supply for a good while to come.
1. Corporate purchasing in bulk. If you want more, we'd better not catch you reselling.
2. Constant small volume in supply on the market as soon as CCP get around to accepting the item into that market. Soon(tm), no doubt.
3. Who cares? If we need any, we can make them. So pfft to resellers.
Idiots may make other people rich, we'd much rather not deal with them anyhow ;-)
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Faux
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Posted - 2004.02.15 15:39:00 -
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celt.. please consider me for 10 of these.. and yes.. i will be resellign these.. just out in deep space stations.. ( makes trading useful..)
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FZappa
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Posted - 2004.02.15 15:53:00 -
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Quote: FZappa Sorry bout that, not ignored just missed. I have 6 available, if you convo or message me in-game I will arrange a time/place for you to pick them up. Celt
great . im at work most of the day , but left you a mail . should be online till late night . -------------------------
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.02.15 17:57:00 -
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Baldour
This is the diplomatic version of JPs reply :-)
I have no objection to people selling on at a decent profit, if they're shipping them out to others regions as we only tend to sell in Luminaire currently.
However, there's a difference between making a decent profit and ripping customers off. Basically if I find someone who has been buying them in bulk to sell at vastly inflated prices I will stop selling to them. Problem is of course I can't track alts etc.
In future, it may be necessary to either limit the numbers sold to individuals or corporations to try and avoid this, or to seed other regions ourselves. The best policy is probably to ensure that people are aware of where they can obtain them and how much they should be paying for them, through these forums, in-game advertising etc and hopefully over time the problem will reduce.
Unfortunately no matter what kind of policies we put in place there is probably no way to stop this kind of thing entirely, but we may be able to reduce it. But if anyone finds the Heat Sink IIs being sold at way over our price please let me know where and who's selling it.
There has been a post already about this happening with other products, so we are not alone in this if it is happening. To quote the figures there - the product was being sold by the manufacturer for 500k, it was being resold by somone at 9 million.
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.02.15 18:07:00 -
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One other thing mentioned in other posts:
Due to manufacturing times I can only produce 21 heat sink IIs per day, and at the moment have orders in that will probably keep me busy for the next 10 days.
This means that you are likely to have to wait for your orders and I would suggest that you not place any further orders until such time as I have caught up with the backlog, simply to avoid us mislaying your order :-) Should you require any, I will hopefully be taking new orders from Tuesday 24th February.
Secondly, with a considerable number of new tech 2 bps appearing now, most especially the tech 2 frigates which require a large number of components, the price of tech 2 components has increased substantially. In some cases this has more than doubled. This may mean that when I start accepting new orders the price may need to increase. Not entirely sure yet, but hopefully will not go beyond 1.25 million. I will let you know more as soon as I can.
Thirdly again related to scarcity of components - I am in need of nanoelectrical microprocessors and have a fair supply of other components which I will happily trade on a one for one basis. If you are a manufacturer of tech 2 and need components, and have a supply of nanoelectical microprocessors, please contact me to see what I have and whether we can trade.
Thanks
Celt Eireson
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.02.15 18:08:00 -
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Oh and afore anyone panics, those orders already in will be honoured at the original price :-)
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.02.15 22:09:00 -
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Quote: Baldour
I have no objection to people selling on at a decent profit...However, there's a difference between making a decent profit and ripping customers off....Problem is of course I can't track alts etc.
I thought this over at the time of the Miner II problems, and I came to the conclusion that the original manufacturer may as well charge the market price anyway, because, given a forcibly limited supply, reselling is going to happen whether you try to stop it or not.
I don't have a techII print to build from yet, of course, so my opinion doesn't count for a lot. I understand that you don't want to be accused of profiteering, but, if profiteering is going to happen *anyway*, I just wonder if the end-buyer would rather the gouged profits at least went to the guy building the things instead of to some middleman who did jack squat except buy in one trade window and sell in the next one.
I'm not buying one at all, but if I were, and wanted it badly enough, I'd rather pay you 5 mill, than either (a) pay someone else 5mill who got it from you for 1mill, or (b) have to wait three weeks to get to the top of the list. But if you won't let me, (a) looks better than (b).
In short, nobility doesn't hold much weight against market forces.
_______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age." |
Nemesis I
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Posted - 2004.02.15 23:46:00 -
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I agree with Baldour.
Personally Id of probably used the pirate goods as a level, the frigate Tech II market is screwed with this approach, as there is no base level. You however already have a captive market willing to pay more, or at least the same, as lower grade pirate goods.
You wonÆt have this monopoly for long make the most of it!
Nem
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