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Hank Rearden Gallente Hooded Monk Mining Industries	Posted - 2007.09.15 16:44:00 - [1] Thought I would see if this gets banned locked spamed flamed or what all of which will be interesting in helping guess what will be the result. What is truely interesting about the OOY thread is not who wins or looses but how this pans out in the long run. Last time the Swarm basically Blackmailed CCP into making game changes to thier advantage threw probably illegal defemation all over the internet. The real interesting thing hear is will CCP be blackmialed again and if they are ... what does that mean for EVE should everyone just give the swarm there logins now or will CCP actually stand up this time. This is what makes this thread truely interesting I personally am on the fence I love eve but I would love to have the time for something else as well. I suppose I am sort of like some form of addict hoping for the habit to be taken away so to the Swarm Blackmail them again to CCP grow some integrity eather way I will be half content now back to it everyone. try to resist telling me I forgot a comma though if you really feel the need ....
Snake Jankins Minmatar German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.15 16:47:00 - [2] weird ___________ I've never been so serious as I am now. No, really.
ED 209 Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.09.15 16:48:00 - [3] Sinc they cried and got their way, they have done nothing but make major asses out of themselves, like the threadnought. If anything CCP is going to tell them to **** off.
Sasha Evergreen Gallente Sand Castle Generals	Posted - 2007.09.15 17:01:00 - [4] Edited by: Sasha Evergreen on 15/09/2007 17:02:36 CCP will analyze the situation and see if 600 fighters do create unimaginable lag, and see if they want to continue allowing this, so that to counter it, bigger blobs of 1500 fighters will be unleashed. BOB alts are worried sick, it's the only lag bomb that allows them to defend against a superior ennemy.
Florio Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.15 17:04:00 - [5] There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in.
Rechal Active Measures Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.09.15 17:09:00 - [6] How could CCP be mean to the "alliance of the year"?
Sasha Evergreen Gallente Sand Castle Generals	Posted - 2007.09.15 17:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Florio There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in. I trust your killboard more than your word. Everyone else will to.
fightnkill Greenspring	Posted - 2007.09.15 17:21:00 - [8] Edited by: fightnkill on 15/09/2007 17:24:46 CCP should focus 100% on fixing the lag before developing the game further on with better graphics and such... I'm pretty sure that there are Useless pixels that cause a lot of unwanted lags. I mean 100,000 Asteroids/objects/etc in space don't lag out the system, why does 1000 Players do? Fix the lag, and if the game is 100% lagless, the losing side will have NOTHING to complain about regarding to lag issues. Instead of adding better Nodes to sustain the ships and drones in a certain. The ships and drones should be changed in a way where it doesn't create a hell of a lag when mass deployed. People prefer Average-Decent graphic with less lag then Perfect graphics with Massive lag.
Delvainar GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.09.15 17:26:00 - [9] If the only way you can see fighter clouds getting nerfed is "blackmail," I think you have a seriously skewed sense of balance. And just for reference, no "threadnaughting" was ever about titans, it was some pointless scandal that fizzled and vanished. Titans were nerfed because they were actually overpowered, dude.
ED 209 Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.09.15 17:29:00 - [10] Edited by: ED 209 on 15/09/2007 17:32:27 Originally by: fightnkill Edited by: fightnkill on 15/09/2007 17:24:46 CCP should focus 100% on fixing the lag before developing the game further on with better graphics and such... I'm pretty sure that there are Useless pixels that cause a lot of unwanted lags. I mean 100,000 Asteroids/objects/etc in space don't lag out the system, why does 1000 Players do? Fix the lag, and if the game is 100% lagless, the losing side will have NOTHING to complain about regarding to lag issues. Instead of adding better Nodes to sustain the ships and drones in a certain. The ships and drones should be changed in a way where it doesn't create a hell of a lag when mass deployed. People prefer Average-Decent graphic with less lag then Perfect graphics with Massive lag. I read posts like yours and I cant help shake my head. It is pretty clear you cant ead at all. If you could read you'd understand some things but alas....

Frisky Minx	Posted - 2007.09.15 17:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Sasha Evergreen Edited by: Sasha Evergreen on 15/09/2007 17:02:36 BOB alts are worried sick, it's the only lag bomb that allows them to defend against a superior ennemy. Thank goodness, there isn't one...
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.15 17:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Sasha Evergreen Originally by: Florio There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in. I trust your killboard more than your word. Everyone else will to. There wasn't even any capital ships camping the gate, they were all repping the pos. Fight started, carriers stayed at the pos. HOSTILE CYNO GOES UP (this bit is important, yes, cuz like, wewt, HOSTILE CAPITALS ARE JUMPING IN) (I emphasised the bits that you need to comprehend). So, any sane FC, knowing that a good portion of the 100 or so confirmed and active hostile capital ships are jumping in brings in their counter. In this case, our carrier fleet. Carriers hit warp, for some it took 15 minutes before they warped. Carriers were ordered to drop fighters when they arrived on grid and NOT before. Some of us managed to issue the engage command and actually cause some damage. Now, you can trust the killboard as much as you like, but then you can realise all killboards present are stastics, they don't present a story. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Jamie 315 Yet Another CAOD Inspired 1 Woman Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.09.15 17:38:00 - [13] Originally by: ED 209 Sinc they cried and got their way, they have done nothing but make major asses out of themselves, like the threadnought. If anything CCP is going to tell them to **** off. Lets thats 5136 toons in the alliance. Lets say 2568 are real accounts. Thats 38,520 dollars a month. 462,240 dollars a year. Like ccp is goin to give up that much money. If goons say bend over Oveur he will bend over. CPP= Goon slaves Recruiting is open
Diehard Si UK1 Zero Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.09.15 17:38:00 - [14] Edited by: Diehard Si on 15/09/2007 17:37:56 Goons want the moon on a stick. First they moan about titans ( the anti blob weapon effectively ) Then they log in hundreds of people to lag out systems and copy bookmarks etc when they need lag on their side. Then heaven forbid they lose a battle ( although it was actually RA that lost the caps, but seem to be taking this much more maturely ) and it's toys out the pram time again. simple solution - Un nerf the titan then blobs become much less of an issue. Goons, you can't have it ALL your own way. -------------------------------------- Lets face it, people that use the word 'noob' are blatantly either 12 or with more friends on the internet than in real life!
DeadProphet Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.15 17:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Sasha Evergreen Originally by: Florio There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in. I trust your killboard more than your word. Everyone else will to. there weren't even any carriers on the field until RSF jumped them in. but why should you believe us, we were the ones there afterall
Sentinel Eeex Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.15 18:03:00 - [16] Originally by: DeadProphet Originally by: Sasha Evergreen Originally by: Florio There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in. I trust your killboard more than your word. Everyone else will to. there weren't even any carriers on the field until RSF jumped them in. but why should you believe us, we were the ones there afterall Of course there weren't any carriers on the field
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.15 18:09:00 - [17] If they made titans useful again we could kill fighters and oversized fleets more easily. Everyone wins. Lets un-nerf the Titans. Kill the LAG bring back the Titans!
arkarsk Provenance. Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.09.15 18:11:00 - [18] Edited by: arkarsk on 15/09/2007 18:14:08 Almost everyone agrees titants were overpowered. They did nothing especially to blobs, as they killed 5 man gangs just as easily. And besides, titans were for all intents and purposes INVINCIBLE. Goons aren't asking for fighters to be nerfed you **s, they're asking for the lag and logic behind them to be looked into, so they can cause LESS LAG. How is that a bad thing for ANYONE?
ED 209 Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.09.15 18:13:00 - [19] Edited by: ED 209 on 15/09/2007 18:14:09 Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: DeadProphet Originally by: Sasha Evergreen Originally by: Florio There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in. I trust your killboard more than your word. Everyone else will to. there weren't even any carriers on the field until RSF jumped them in. but why should you believe us, we were the ones there afterall Of course there weren't any carriers on the field Can you read muppet? Seriously, C-A-N Y-O-U R-E-A-D? OMG TITANS ARE UBER NERF!!!1 OMG CARRIERS ARE UBER NERF!!!
Uuve Savisaalo Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.09.15 18:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Smith If they made titans useful again we could kill fighters and oversized fleets more easily. Everyone wins. Lets un-nerf the Titans. Kill the LAG bring back the Titans! bring back pre-casting, beeeotch! seriously, stop being ridiculous.

NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.15 18:20:00 - [21] We didn't threadnaught for titan changes. There were 2. We threadnaughted when evidence was presented that proved cheating between a high level CCP employee and an alliance in game. This evidence was initially deleted and the messenger was villified by CCP. After it was clear the evidence was not going to dissapear, CCP responded by verifying the fact that cheating did occur. We threadnaughted when we were presented with evidence of wrongdoing at CCP that was summarily deleted from these forums. Some of the evidence turned out to be false/ misrepresented and nothing happened, other points of evidence were wholly ignored and remain until this day. The 2nd threadnaught was likely premature, but given CCP's policy of deleting first, investigating later only after having it repeatedly presented, the decision for the 2nd threadnaught was (arguably) justified. There was a formal statement issued by a member of our alliance presented to CCP about titans. Please in the future check your facts.
True Ace Gallente Playboy Enterprises	Posted - 2007.09.15 18:20:00 - [22] instead of blobing one system maybe u could umm u know, spread that blob across multiple systems. the biggest cause of lag in 0.0 is the player base itself. IM YOUR KING'S KING.
DHB FooFighter Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.09.15 18:24:00 - [23] lag happens, deal with it. -------------------------------------------------
Sentinel Eeex Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.15 18:32:00 - [24] Originally by: ED 209 Edited by: ED 209 on 15/09/2007 18:14:09 Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: DeadProphet Originally by: Sasha Evergreen Originally by: Florio There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in. I trust your killboard more than your word. Everyone else will to. there weren't even any carriers on the field until RSF jumped them in. but why should you believe us, we were the ones there afterall Of course there weren't any carriers on the field Can you read muppet? Seriously, C-A-N Y-O-U R-E-A-D? OMG TITANS ARE UBER NERF!!!1 OMG CARRIERS ARE UBER NERF!!! Sorry mate, I think you're having problems with reading. With writing too - try to use less uppercase letters next time. Helps with blood pressure. Noone is complaining about ability to field 100 carriers and 1000 fighters. People are complaining about inability to see, lock or shoot when there are 1000 fighters on the grid. But I guess that is hard to comprehend. BoB can't fix it, Goons can't fix it - only CCP can. As for trolling BoB, it's only because they try to display yesterday's lagfest as a "good fight" or something.
Jamie 315 Yet Another CAOD Inspired 1 Woman Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.09.15 18:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: ED 209 Edited by: ED 209 on 15/09/2007 18:14:09 Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: DeadProphet Originally by: Sasha Evergreen Originally by: Florio There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in. I trust your killboard more than your word. Everyone else will to. there weren't even any carriers on the field until RSF jumped them in. but why should you believe us, we were the ones there afterall Of course there weren't any carriers on the field Can you read muppet? Seriously, C-A-N Y-O-U R-E-A-D? OMG TITANS ARE UBER NERF!!!1 OMG CARRIERS ARE UBER NERF!!! Sorry mate, I think you're having problems with reading. With writing too - try to use less uppercase letters next time. Helps with blood pressure. Noone is complaining about ability to field 100 carriers and 1000 fighters. People are complaining about inability to see, lock or shoot when there are 1000 fighters on the grid. But I guess that is hard to comprehend. BoB can't fix it, Goons can't fix it - only CCP can. As for trolling BoB, it's only because they try to display yesterday's lagfest as a "good fight" or something. Hi, I see you got a face lift, did it hurt? How much did it cost? Recruiting is open
Mr Broker Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.09.15 18:46:00 - [26] CCP has their ears wide open, if you have proof Goons create lag, then petition it and bring ideas to the table that the devs would agree with to control blob warfare. If Goons think there is a problem with carier drones/fighters, then they have a right to ask the devs to look into it. There's nothing worse than peeps crying about other peeps crying.
Civrax GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.15 18:49:00 - [27] Edited by: Civrax on 15/09/2007 18:50:48 Thus far I have seen nothing lies, propaganda and bull****: a nice typical COAD thread. The fighter discussion about how to reduce their lag was started LONG BEFORE THE 0OYZ BATTLE BEGAN. Drones auto-engage, they just go after a target which means that whoever has the drones out gets the kills. 1000 drones on grid also cause unimaginable lag, CCP fully knows this. GoonSwarm doesn't have to blackmail anyone into trying to get them to believe the fact that has allowed many groups, both friends and foes, to control and decimate the field. Bob is just far better at exploiting broken game mechanics, it's that simple. CCP is going after the game mechanics which cause unimaginable lag and create a severe unbalance in the game. Sometimes that requires pilots to create a massive document saying how the mechanic is broken and how it could be fixed. No where in any proposal we've put forward have we signed it with "DO IT OR WE ALL QUIT". I'd also like to see evidence of this 'bookmark copying in massive battles'. Ever since the nerf of bookmark copying, I haven't seen ANY IMPROVEMENT in fleet battles of similiar size. None, no improvements. Thus I beg the question "Did anyone actually copy bookmarks?" I don't think so, it was just another lie crafted by a force who couldn't find any reason as to why they were losing. There are plenty of broken game mechanics in EVE, most of which have been fixed or addressed or have their exploitation bannable (See: Titan/MS Bowling, as quite cleverly started by BoB). Sadly those who use such broken mechanics to gain an edge over the other side will fight for them, saying there is nothing broken about them. Sadly, with fighters and drones in general, CCP already knows they're broken and has been working on it for sometime, according to the responses we have seen. Grow up children and get back into your internet spaceship.
Yggdrassill Yeltsin The Greater Goon	Posted - 2007.09.15 19:11:00 - [28] Originally by: True Ace instead of blobing one system maybe u could umm u know, spread that blob across multiple systems. the biggest cause of lag in 0.0 is the player base itself. One does have to wonder why RSF doesn't expend some logistical energy to attack somewhere where they aren't expected and prepared for by the enemy. Quote: Almost everyone agrees titants were overpowered. They did nothing especially to blobs, as they killed 5 man gangs just as easily. And besides, titans were for all intents and purposes INVINCIBLE. Goons aren't asking for fighters to be nerfed you ******s, they're asking for the lag and logic behind them to be looked into, so they can cause LESS LAG. How is that a bad thing for ANYONE? This needed to be re-emphasized. Unless someone has a reasonable response to it?
Yggdrassill Yeltsin The Greater Goon	Posted - 2007.09.15 19:34:00 - [29] Hit my post with the 'no more tears' image too, it'll make you look even BETTER!
Kola XXX Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.15 19:41:00 - [30] this pic is a station and not an up to date pic....not any current event . . .wow ....sad....cuz goons and RA never attacked a station with a bunch of fighters Thouands of any unit will cause problems no matter what...live with it......and don't bring useless lagging ibis and shuttles to fights..less wrecks,less players less lag... you don't need that trash to beat the inferior enemy right? oh and JV1V was awsome......yeah goons rock...what a good job. Not a lagsploit in sight.....keep crying, it is fueling our jumpdrives



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