Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 20/09/2007 18:39:28

Originally by: KIATolon

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No, its true right now. You are just using stupid technicalities to try and support a loosing argument.

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Firstly, if there was a carrier to scramble, and a scrambler and no frigs for sale in the next door station, would you travel the 40 jump round trip (or 20 if you pod yourself, but lets assume you have implants) or would you jump in the ibis, grab the scrambler and go and lock a carrier down?

Secondly who do you think you are to tell people they cant take noobship gangs out for a giggle?

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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn

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I agree with anyone here :
- Goons are stupids, all of them
- RA are communists, all of them

People tend to forgot about TCF, which are carebears roleplayings loggers, all of them.

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Originally by: CrispyKritters

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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn

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I agree with anyone here :
- Goons are stupids, all of them
- RA are communists, all of them

People tend to forgot about TCF, which are carebears roleplayings loggers, all of them.

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TCF eat frogs hence they are froggies.

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Originally by: FireFox McProwler

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Goonswarm is a direct product of the SA forums.

With that said everything makes sense.

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Originally by: Ria Sotori

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However with all things in eve.... nothing lasts forever.... ppl get bored and move and all alliances blossom and shrink. so its just a matter of time till new alliances start to rise and old ones start to fall. Less we forget....

- Fountain Alliance
- Pheonix Alliance
- Norad
- Curse Alliance
- Stain Alliance
- Fade Union
- ASCN
- 5
- D2
- POS
- ISS
- CFS

And so so many more are now gone and forgotten by most :/

Anyway, back to your normally scheduled flammage and l33t speak.

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Originally by: Ria Sotori

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filthy sig, rl death, never ending campaign of recruitment,
massive fluctuations, 1 subtle difference, normal growth experience, improve themselves, lag blob, less we forget, l33t speak

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Originally by: Ria Sotori

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created by Remedial...personal cash cow...filthy sig...ASCN ...never ending campaign of recruitment...banned from posting...Pendulum War...goon culture...mass recruiting n00bs...normal growth experience...supposed to go thru...all about numbers unfortunately...nothing lasts forever...Less we forget.

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Originally by: Ria Sotori

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The original Goonswarm/Goonwaffe were a entity created by Remedial as a personal cash cow to pay his bills. Somewhere about the time Bob took notice of the filthy sig of one of there members making fun of the RL Death of a Eve Player and the subsequent camping of Goons in sysndicate by Bob there membership eroded some.

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Originally by: Ria Sotori

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Actually that statement is only partly true I am afraid.

The original Goonswarm/Goonwaffe were a entity created by Remedial as a personal cash cow to pay his bills. Somewhere about the time Bob took notice of the filthy sig of one of there members making fun of the RL Death of a Eve Player and the subsequent camping of Goons in sysndicate by Bob there membership eroded some.

This lead to the "great breakup" where the goons created a lot of small sub corps to hide in and train. After the death of ASCN they were joined by a lot of the losing elements from that war who were not picked to become BOb vassals and by pilots who were not asked to join BOB.

In addition a never ending campaign of recruitment on SA helped to boister there numbers somewhat. At least till that avenue was cutoff by there being banned from posting in the mainline forums there.

Once the Pendulum War Began a lot of small entities joined goonswarm for a chance to fight "Teh Ebil Bob". Those entities have slowly been either absorbed into goon culture or backed back out/backing out of affiliation. Based on the massive fluctuations in alliance numbers I have seen recently goons have fallen into the same recruitment trap that Celestial Horizons and The Merchant Marines did over 3 years ago trying to do mass n00bie recruitment with 1 subtle difference.

They are mass recruiting n00bs, throwing cheap tech 1 frigate gear at them and taking them out to pew pew BUT at the same time are robbing them of the normal growth experience new players are supposed to go thru and taking them straight to the "endgame" of 0.0 life and combat without the skills or means to improve themselves as they normally would have learned/earned in the traditional manner.

See with goons its all about numbers unfortunately, there a meatshield/pet alliance to RA, and there only claim to fame was the lag blob method of winning. So long as they can continue to do that they see themselves as "the best".

However with all things in eve.... nothing lasts forever.... ppl get bored and move and all alliances blossom and shrink. so its just a matter of time till new alliances start to rise and old ones start to fall. Less we forget....

- Fountain Alliance
- Pheonix Alliance
- Norad
- Curse Alliance
- Stain Alliance
- Fade Union
- ASCN
- 5
- D2
- POS
- ISS
- CFS

And so so many more are now gone and forgotten by most :/

Anyway, back to your normally scheduled flammage and l33t speak.

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Originally by: Ria Sotori

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Originally by: FireFox McProwler

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Goonswarm is a direct product of the SA forums.

With that said everything makes sense.

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Actually that statement is only partly true I am afraid.

The original Goonswarm/Goonwaffe were a entity created by Remedial as a personal cash cow to pay his bills. Somewhere about the time Bob took notice of the filthy sig of one of there members making fun of the RL Death of a Eve Player and the subsequent camping of Goons in sysndicate by Bob there membership eroded some.

This lead to the "great breakup" where the goons created a lot of small sub corps to hide in and train. After the death of ASCN they were joined by a lot of the losing elements from that war who were not picked to become BOb vassals and by pilots who were not asked to join BOB.

In addition a never ending campaign of recruitment on SA helped to boister there numbers somewhat. At least till that avenue was cutoff by there being banned from posting in the mainline forums there.

Once the Pendulum War Began a lot of small entities joined goonswarm for a chance to fight "Teh Ebil Bob". Those entities have slowly been either absorbed into goon culture or backed back out/backing out of affiliation. Based on the massive fluctuations in alliance numbers I have seen recently goons have fallen into the same recruitment trap that Celestial Horizons and The Merchant Marines did over 3 years ago trying to do mass n00bie recruitment with 1 subtle difference.

They are mass recruiting n00bs, throwing cheap tech 1 frigate gear at them and taking them out to pew pew BUT at the same time are robbing them of the normal growth experience new players are supposed to go thru and taking them straight to the "endgame" of 0.0 life and combat without the skills or means to improve themselves as they normally would have learned/earned in the traditional manner.

See with goons its all about numbers unfortunately, there a meatshield/pet alliance to RA, and there only claim to fame was the lag blob method of winning. So long as they can continue to do that they see themselves as "the best".

However with all things in eve.... nothing lasts forever.... ppl get bored and move and all alliances blossom and shrink. so its just a matter of time till new alliances start to rise and old ones start to fall. Less we forget....

- Fountain Alliance
- Pheonix Alliance
- Norad
- Curse Alliance
- Stain Alliance
- Fade Union
- ASCN
- 5
- D2
- POS
- ISS
- CFS

And so so many more are now gone and forgotten by most :/

Anyway, back to your normally scheduled flammage and l33t speak.

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Originally by: Ria Satori

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They are mass recruiting n00bs, throwing cheap tech 1 frigate gear at them and taking them out to pew pew BUT at the same time are robbing them of the normal growth experience new players are supposed to go thru and taking them straight to the "endgame" of 0.0 life and combat without the skills or means to improve themselves as they normally would have learned/earned in the traditional manner.

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Originally by: Ria Sotori

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Originally by: FireFox McProwler

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Goonswarm is a direct product of the SA forums.

With that said everything makes sense.

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Actually that statement is only partly true I am afraid.

The original Goonswarm/Goonwaffe were a entity created by Remedial as a personal cash cow to pay his bills. Somewhere about the time Bob took notice of the filthy sig of one of there members making fun of the RL Death of a Eve Player and the subsequent camping of Goons in sysndicate by Bob there membership eroded some.

This lead to the "great breakup" where the goons created a lot of small sub corps to hide in and train. After the death of ASCN they were joined by a lot of the losing elements from that war who were not picked to become BOb vassals and by pilots who were not asked to join BOB.

In addition a never ending campaign of recruitment on SA helped to boister there numbers somewhat. At least till that avenue was cutoff by there being banned from posting in the mainline forums there.

Once the Pendulum War Began a lot of small entities joined goonswarm for a chance to fight "Teh Ebil Bob". Those entities have slowly been either absorbed into goon culture or backed back out/backing out of affiliation. Based on the massive fluctuations in alliance numbers I have seen recently goons have fallen into the same recruitment trap that Celestial Horizons and The Merchant Marines did over 3 years ago trying to do mass n00bie recruitment with 1 subtle difference.

They are mass recruiting n00bs, throwing cheap tech 1 frigate gear at them and taking them out to pew pew BUT at the same time are robbing them of the normal growth experience new players are supposed to go thru and taking them straight to the "endgame" of 0.0 life and combat without the skills or means to improve themselves as they normally would have learned/earned in the traditional manner.

See with goons its all about numbers unfortunately, there a meatshield/pet alliance to RA, and there only claim to fame was the lag blob method of winning. So long as they can continue to do that they see themselves as "the best".

However with all things in eve.... nothing lasts forever.... ppl get bored and move and all alliances blossom and shrink. so its just a matter of time till new alliances start to rise and old ones start to fall. Less we forget....

- Fountain Alliance
- Pheonix Alliance
- Norad
- Curse Alliance
- Stain Alliance
- Fade Union
- ASCN
- 5
- D2
- POS
- ISS
- CFS

And so so many more are now gone and forgotten by most :/

Anyway, back to your normally scheduled flammage and l33t speak.

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Originally by: Ria Sotori

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They are mass recruiting n00bs, throwing cheap tech 1 frigate gear at them and taking them out to pew pew BUT at the same time are robbing them of the normal growth experience new players are supposed to go thru and taking them straight to the "endgame" of 0.0 life and combat without the skills or means to improve themselves as they normally would have learned/earned in the traditional manner.

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Originally by: Wim'sei

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Noob frigates SHOULD NOT be able to fit scramblers and scramble capital ships.

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Originally by: Turin

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Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure

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Originally by: Hyakuchan

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Edited by: Hyakuchan on 17/09/2007 21:05:17
And to those of you complaining about people fighting with shuttles and newbie ships, they both make for great warp in targets as they are often ignored and newbie ships can warp scramble and web. If you can't appreciate those abilities on the battlefield then I'm sorry, but no amount of posting is going to help you.

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Im gonna call BS on this one. I dont believe you that this it the reason for having 10-15 noobships and shuttles in a single battle. SORRY. TRY AGAIN!

If you want a warp in point, maybe utter the word. "Covert Ops"

The only reason you bring those ships is to create lag and useless targets. What about the shuttle wreck I looted after the huge battle in FAT, that had almost 5000 bookmarks in the hold? Was he dropping bookmarks as warp in points?


The more you guys try and defend this lame tactic, the worse you make yourself look. I dont even have to try anymore.

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Pwnzored

Originally by: Dylan Rhade

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Ramlir, do u have anything to add to the topic of the thread, or are u just posting to bolster something micrscopic in size?

I see the thread has dissolved once more, into goon macro forum posting, i think some people are getting sick of the constant ass slapping goons give each other on CAOD, this thread was supposed to be about ways we can take mutually to make fleet fights less laggy, more fun anf generally better, showing CCp that the playerbase can make fleet battles fun before they pile on something else that makes the servers even laggier, like uh, flying cheese blocks with holes for ships to pour of or something.

I have always thought since the game descended to the point of waiting 10-deep at a bar, that 0.0 players should boycott pvp and carebear so they have isk ready for when CCP actually see our views that the game is laggy and de-synch's really happen.

If goons wanna bash around in their little rowing boats with each other, please take it to the SA forums
D

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Originally by: OSughhi

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Originally by: Wim'sei

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Noob frigates SHOULD NOT be able to fit scramblers and scramble capital ships.

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Many players from your alliance have spent a good portion of this thread describing how useless rookie ships are and how they have no place in battle, but now the argument is being reframed more in line with Rookie ships being too useful or otherwise overpowered. If you can't formulate a consistent argument, you might end up appearing like whiners.

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Originally by: Dylan Rhade

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Actually if u read the OP it was about wether or not goons would whine, scream hax and break the forums down again to get something fixed to stop the lag or give them yet another advantage to do with lag and node crashes.

And, writing in caps, very mature, shouldnt u be getting ready for school?

D

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Originally by: OSughhi

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Spaming fleet battles with alts and trial accounts is lame tactic. From my oppinion the using of alts and trial accounts to make numbers to flood the server can be considered as an exploit.

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Originally by: Dylan Rhade

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Ramlir, do u have anything to add to the topic of the thread, or are u just posting to bolster something micrscopic in size?

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Originally by: Dylan Rhade

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Actually if u read the OP it was about wether or not goons would whine, scream hax and break the forums down again to get something fixed to stop the lag or give them yet another advantage to do with lag and node crashes.

And, writing in caps, very mature, shouldnt u be getting ready for school?

D

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However with all things in eve.... nothing lasts forever.... ppl get bored and move and all alliances blossom and shrink. so its just a matter of time till new alliances start to rise and old ones start to fall. Less we forget....
- Fountain Alliance
- Pheonix Alliance
- Norad
- Curse Alliance
- Stain Alliance
- Fade Union
- ASCN
- 5
- D2
- POS
- ISS
- CFS

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Originally by: Wim'sei

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Edited by: Wim''sei on 20/09/2007 21:38:41

Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 20/09/2007 18:08:33
As much as I hate replying to CAOD forums, I think the problem with this particular point is a CCP problem tbh. Noob frigates SHOULD NOT be able to fit scramblers and scramble capital ships.

I think the whole warp scrambling mechanics are a bit unbalanced as they are today due to aspects just like this.

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Many players from your alliance have spent a good portion of this thread describing how useless rookie ships are and how they have no place in battle, but now the argument is being reframed more in line with Rookie ships being too useful or otherwise overpowered. If you can't formulate a consistent argument, you might end up appearing like whiners.

If you haven't the foresight to check out intelligence on systems that could be harbouring hostile ships, then it was your actions lead to your destruction. If you ran into a frigate for an easy kill, only to end up sent back to your respawn point, it was your judgment of that situation created that result. The only real strength Rookie ships have is in numbers, and if you can't handle a few rookie ships plinking away at your hull, your probably going to be collecting insurance soon anyway.

Yes, Rookie Ships can mount Warp Scramblers, just as your ships are free to mount equipment to counter the effects of Scramblers. Alone, these ships are practically origami foldouts that crumple with ease and are mostly harmless. Any fangs that the ships have are restrained by their capacitor and power grid. In order for rookie ships to truly shine however, they need to come in small groups, which are controlled by individual players.

The rest of the Frigate-class ships are a huge step up from Rookie ships in nearly every way, but their primary role remains as support vessels. They simply cannot put out the firepower that any higher-classed ship can, and they relinquish themselves to support roles.

The only grievance I can perceive is that we prefer to co-operate in groups of real-life players and support each other. We also agree that no artificial means should ever be implemented to rob any piloted ship of the chance to support their alliance in battle. Once ship classes are limited, then it becomes a numbers game of who has more SP and the means of flying larger ships, and much of the tactical component is lost.

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