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Garion Thorongmor
JBK Research Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2007.09.16 03:04:00 -
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I have 2 questions about invention that I have been getting mixed answers on from different ppl, and before I go and invest large sums of ISK, I was wondering if anyone can give me a definitive answer to these.
For reference I am going to be doing Gallente Ships. I've already got all the skills, and the ship data interface, etc, just training for now.
Now for my 2 questions.
As I understand the ME/PL on the T1 BPC you use makes no difference in the sucess rate or the final ME/PL on the T2 BPO, HOWEVER do the RUNS on the T1 BPC matter?
I have some people who tell me just use 1 run BPC's, and others who say you will get more runs using MAX RUN BPC's if the invention is sucessful. So will 1 run BPC's and MAX run BPC's give me the same results on the number of runs the T2 BPC will have, or is MAX runs better to use?
As for decryptors, I see one which gives 30% increase in chances, for 4 runs, and another which lowers chance 60% for 9 runs. The other 3 encryptors don't look useful.
Which encryptor (if any) would yeild the most benefit for doing T2 ship invention?
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Minmatar FW Inc
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Posted - 2007.09.16 05:09:00 -
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http://www.eve-production.org/invention/index.html
good start for invention info. Production limit is your friend btw.
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.09.16 06:45:00 -
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If you use a max run BPC you will get the usual output + decryptor 1+decryptor runs (ships ) 10+ decryptor rns (most mods )
If you use a 1 run BPC you will get 0 runs + decryptor 0+ decryptor runs (ships etc...
So for ships, with a +9 decryptor the difference is 1 run on the output, (10 instead of 9 runs). So depending on the cost of a max run BPC it may or may not be worth using max runs or just use a 1 run to save isk.
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente Anqara Tech
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Posted - 2007.09.16 10:55:00 -
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and also note, that with ships, if you use a 1 or max run bpc with no decryptor you will still only get a 1 run output bpc.
Max run bpc's only make a difference when you are using a decryptor that adds to the runs.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Revelation Space
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Posted - 2007.09.16 10:58:00 -
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Invention has cost me around 600-700m with little in the way fo return barring the following single run BPC's:
Ishtar Occator Occator Lachesis
It's fun I'd have made a lot more ISK if I had just sold the Mechanical Engineering datacores rather than consuming them in the Dante's Inferno that is Invention.
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Craig Ankers
Caldari Coalition of Inter-Galactic Addicted Rodents
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Posted - 2007.09.16 19:03:00 -
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Yes im leaving ships for while now, good to point out that using the best decrypter give an awfull build cost 90% waste anyone. U can lose alot of isk inventing ships but as the mec core are decreasing in price it might be worth another shot then. Yes atm i sell my cores because of there price, u can just make a small smile still from them. Regards Craig Ankers
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Artmedis Valben
Gallente Lobster of Babel
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Posted - 2007.09.17 19:06:00 -
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There are several factors.
First cost of the ship you are inventing. Second cost of each attempt in terms of datacores, decryptors and base items. Third success rate. There is already quite a bit of info on this so you can estimate success rate give or take a few percentages. Fourth build cost, ME ranges from -4 to -8 depending on which decryptor you use. Still haven't figured out why a ME -8 BPC gives me "only" 47,7% waste on builds. (Description says it should be 90%.)
with a Max run BPC (doing ships) you have 8-12% success rate for 10 run (ME-8/PE -3) BPC you have 26-39% success rate for 5 run (ME -7/PE -2) BPC you have 16-24% success rate for a 3 run (ME -4/PE 0) BPC you have 22-33% success rate for a 2 run (ME -6/PE 1) BPC
Using anything other than a MAX run BPC will subtract one run from each of these results.
you can also have a 20-30% chance of a single run (ME -4/PE -4) No decryptor) or a single run (ME -5/PE-1) with the decryptor that adds nothing to chance or runs.
In this case having a max run will not add anything to the results when you are successful.
When inventing ships you should use a run enhancer and a max run BPC if possible. Which one to use depends on which gives the most cost efficient run, and other things being equal the lowest negative ME.
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Benvie
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Posted - 2007.09.22 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rashmika Clavain Invention has cost me around 600-700m with little in the way fo return barring the following single run BPC's:
Ishtar Occator Occator Lachesis
It's fun I'd have made a lot more ISK if I had just sold the Mechanical Engineering datacores rather than consuming them in the Dante's Inferno that is Invention.
If you're getting single runs then you're doing it wrong. Just sell the datacores.
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