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Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:18:00 -
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Regardless of how you nerf it, these deficient CSM's don't seem to appreciate the fact that even with no resists the Drake still lands DPS at range very well. Builds deal pew pew at 80-100KM easy, and that will continue to make the Drake horde a favored option by many. I find it amusing that no one has talked about the Tornado yet? I have seen a fleet of 12 one shot a trimarked and plated Abaddon... but I guess not enough people are monopolizing on them yet to earn the CSM's attention, and in turn, their inevitable ridiculous recommendations to CCP.
In short, I don't see why nerfing a Dake will nerf the Drake army? Even if it had no EHP it still makes for a great DPS platform at range, rigged or unrigged. Since the new FOTM will soon be the Tornado army (and TBH should be now if people were more ahead of the curve) I hereby declare this notion halfass'd and Ill advised.
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A total killing of it's resist bonus is just weird and unnecessary. If you want to Nerf it out of the PVP arena all you have to do is bring it's total EHP down to normal BC levels you don't have to do completely remove it's resists and possibly give it even more DPS with an additional bonus They will still outshine most other BC's in null sec because of their DPS at range.
So yea, Nerf the Tornado Reduce the Drakes EHP down to normal Battlecruiser levels. & if you want to nerf the Drake army, nerf it's EHP and it's range with heavy missiles or you won't see the desired result. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6360
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:31:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Since the new FOTM will soon be the Tornado army (and TBH should be now if people were more ahead of the curve) I hereby declare this notion halfass'd and Ill advised. Your declaration is noted and shall be addressed to the appropriate party. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Cyprus Black
Tears of Redemption NEM3SIS.
130
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Posted - 2012.01.19 23:13:00 -
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The drakes DPS is not in question. It's the God-like OMGWTF unbreakable tank they sport. Like my post? Made you laugh or think? Maybe even offended or nausiated you? Then give a Like. They're free and oh so easy to give. |
Spineker
98
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Posted - 2012.01.19 23:17:00 -
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In other words the nerfers are all alike.
1. They never flew it nor faught and are just bandwagon heros. 2. They want an I-WIN button for their massively over powered Pew Lazors and Arty/Autos 3. Just because they can't one shot it with their already mentioned over powered weapons it must be broke... 4. Smoking something really good. |
Aestivalis Saidrian
SplitPush Mercantiles
18
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Posted - 2012.01.19 23:25:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: I find it amusing that no one has talked about the Tornado yet? I have seen a fleet of 12 one shot a trimarked and plated Abaddon...
Well, yeah, its twelve Maelstorms effectively. Should we nerf Maelstorms as well? |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
424
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:23:00 -
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Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: I find it amusing that no one has talked about the Tornado yet? I have seen a fleet of 12 one shot a trimarked and plated Abaddon...
Well, yeah, its twelve Maelstorms effectively. Should we nerf Maelstorms as well?
I guess I need to tell you that the Mael is 3x more expensive, is much slower, it has slightly less fall off and has lower scan res. Consider yourself educated.
Oh, and it takes longer to skill to Lv 5. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Rhinanna
CyberShield Inc ROMANIAN-LEGION
103
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:43:00 -
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Unfortunately for the people thinking that, if the drake is perma running mwd at 60km for max transversal then you need a lot more than 12 of either ;) 1200s have problems tracking a drake at 1km/s at 60kms.
And the quick and easy answer to arty 'nados is a few stealth bombers or a conventional SR BC or HAC gang which will very quickly tear holes in them.
-The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it! Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more)-á |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
424
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:47:00 -
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Rhinanna wrote:Unfortunately for the people thinking that, if the drake is perma running mwd at 60km for max transversal then you need a lot more than 12 of either ;) 1200s have problems tracking a drake at 1km/s at 60kms.
And the quick and easy answer to arty 'nados is a few stealth bombers or a conventional SR BC or HAC gang which will very quickly tear holes in them.
Funny seemed to worked well when I did it. Maybe your tactics are bad? Feel free to contact me in game if you need some help playing eve. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Ocih
Space Mermaids
61
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:49:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Ocih wrote:If I could survive the Artillery wall 50 km behind it, my Harbi would melt a Drake. Test server: 2012.01.18 03:07:00 Victim: Ioci Corp: Space Mermaids Alliance: Bad Girl Posse Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Drake System: X-R3NM Security: 0.0 Damage Taken: 30471 Involved parties: Name: Ocih (laid the final blow) Security: -0.10 Corp: Space Mermaids Alliance: Bad Girl Posse Faction: None Ship: Harbinger Weapon: Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I Damage Done: 30471 AB Harbi, triple trimark Buffer tank with 2 adaptives, no kin stack, no armor rep, I was at 13% armor when the drake popped. Full passive Drake with a rack of Arbalest launchers and Kin missles. -- Had it been a Cane I would have never hit it. They dictate optimal no matter how I fit.
They don't need to be nerfed.
When I get bored, EVE sucks for me. When CCP get bored, it sucks for everyone. In this case, Drake pilots. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4459
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:54:00 -
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Good thing, then, that they plan to buff it rather then nerf it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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Famble
Three's a Crowd
260
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:31:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Good thing, then, that they plan to buff it rather then nerf it.
Empty quote this is not.
If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention. |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
123
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:42:00 -
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Nerfing the drake is stupid. Perhaps one of the main reasons people fly it so much is 1) You can skill into it in about 3 months with meh skills and 6 months will give you t2 missiles and tank (same as the other tier 1 and 2 BC). If people get into a caracel cruiser, that also leads them to the drake. 2) It is the caldari BC of choice (Ferox sucks) and most people roll Caldari chars when they first start and don't understand the races due to the description of the races. "Do I want to be a religious zealot? No. What about a slave? No. Hmmm - ok, I'll just roll this caldari one. It seem fairly good..
People forget about some of the negatives of drakes it seems, such as it takes time to apply DPS and alot of pvp fleets are armor based unless they are a pure drake blob fleet etc...
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4461
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:47:00 -
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Har Harrison wrote:People forget about some of the negatives of drakes it seems, such as it takes time to apply DPS and alot of pvp fleets are armor based unless they are a pure drake blob fleet etc... So, that's one point that the buff is addressing, and another point that isn't really a negative because it can trivially be reversed. That leaves the GÇ£etcGÇ¥, which you should probably expand on. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Marcus Harikari
Aegis Requiem.
15
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Posted - 2012.01.20 06:51:00 -
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Drake sucks. I took mine into a wormhole and got WTFPWND by a loki + rokh duo in like a minute. My missile skills suck, but my defense skills are pretty good...T2 tank...etc...NOPE. BAM! |
Solinuas
Beyond Evil and Good
52
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Posted - 2012.01.20 07:02:00 -
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the drake nerf isnt a nerf, its a buff, i would much rather have a drake with real DPS and choosable damage types (without taking a huge hit to damage) than one with a beefy tank |
Elistea
G U N G N I R Y G G D R A S I L
36
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Posted - 2012.01.20 09:05:00 -
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5% bonus to scrap metal amount after destroyed per level would be nice.
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Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
601
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Posted - 2012.01.20 09:15:00 -
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How about we just leave the drake alone and stop making topic such as this that do nothing to solve the issue that any nerf to the drake makes it unbalanced? |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.01.20 09:17:00 -
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The drake "nerf" is a (imo justified) nerf to the extreme versatility of the Drake.
Some of its potential roles get nerfed, some get buffed but the overall package will hopefully help to get away from the "The Drake is the must-have ship for new players because it can do everything" problem. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
164
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Posted - 2012.01.20 09:23:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:How about we just leave the drake alone and stop making topic such as this that do nothing to solve the issue that any nerf to the drake makes it unbalanced? Didn't you hear, they are buffing it.
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Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
601
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Posted - 2012.01.20 09:28:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:How about we just leave the drake alone and stop making topic such as this that do nothing to solve the issue that any nerf to the drake makes it unbalanced? Didn't you hear, they are buffing it.
The post the CCP member made was a nerf. A POS boost to missile range (You are dreaming if you seriously think they will give it a ROF boost and even then it will be puny) At a cost of GUTTING its tank with the removal of the Resists. |
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Liam Mirren
188
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Posted - 2012.01.20 10:00:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Lexmana wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:How about we just leave the drake alone and stop making topic such as this that do nothing to solve the issue that any nerf to the drake makes it unbalanced? Didn't you hear, they are buffing it. The post the CCP member made was a nerf. A POS boost to missile range (You are dreaming if you seriously think they will give it a ROF boost and even then it will be puny) At a cost of GUTTING its tank with the removal of the Resists.
Not everyone flies in buttbuddy blob fleets, the proposed "nerf" is indeed a buff outside lolblobs.
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
395
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Posted - 2012.01.20 10:04:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Lexmana wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:How about we just leave the drake alone and stop making topic such as this that do nothing to solve the issue that any nerf to the drake makes it unbalanced? Didn't you hear, they are buffing it. The post the CCP member made was a nerf. A POS boost to missile range (You are dreaming if you seriously think they will give it a ROF boost and even then it will be puny) At a cost of GUTTING its tank with the removal of the Resists. HAMs + range bonus = ? |
Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
37
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Posted - 2012.01.20 10:19:00 -
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Remove 1 mid from all tier 2 BC - game fixed! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4463
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Posted - 2012.01.20 10:28:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Lexmana wrote:Didn't you hear, they are buffing it. The post the CCP member made was a nerf. A POS boost to missile range (You are dreaming if you seriously think they will give it a ROF boost and even then it will be puny) At a cost of GUTTING its tank with the removal of the Resists. So if you completely ignore the thing that would massively buff it, it's a nerfGǪ yeah, great logic there GÇö no distortion at all.
If that's the way you want to do it, why not say that the Drake is getting a buff GÇö you're dreaming if you seriously thing they will remove the resist bonus.
The suggestion CCP made is an unabashed buff: a significant increase of damage output and application in exchange for something the Drake doesn't particularly need, creating a much more focused ship. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
601
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Posted - 2012.01.20 10:58:00 -
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Something it doesn't need? What? BTW what about those of us who trained to get our Shield comp skills up to use passive resist drakes properly? F them?
Its role is a strong buffer tank medium DPS. Resists are a BIG chunk of that buffer. It does NOT need to be changed. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
71
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Posted - 2012.01.20 11:29:00 -
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I dont know about the drake nerf. Of all the ships in the game its one of the ones that doesnt bother me.
Yesterday in a 4 man frig roam we killed 2 solo drakes with ease in 2 enyos, a ranis and a comet. One was a failfit, the other was pretty standard but both melted in the same way.
If we had engaged a hurricane though... |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
426
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Posted - 2012.01.20 12:38:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:I dont know about the drake nerf. Of all the ships in the game its one of the ones that doesnt bother me.
Yesterday in a 4 man frig roam we killed 2 solo drakes with ease in 2 enyos, a ranis and a comet. One was a failfit, the other was pretty standard but both melted in the same way.
If we had engaged a hurricane though...
Sounds like CSM's need to start thinking about Hurricane nerfs then. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
114
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Posted - 2012.01.20 13:20:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Yesterday in a 4 man frig roam we killed 2 solo drakes with ease in 2 enyos, a ranis and a comet. One was a failfit, the other was pretty standard but both melted in the same way. our little carrier fleet usually consist of 10 Nyxes and 2 Aeons.....
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TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Bloodbound.
37
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Posted - 2012.01.20 13:42:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Lexmana wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:How about we just leave the drake alone and stop making topic such as this that do nothing to solve the issue that any nerf to the drake makes it unbalanced? Didn't you hear, they are buffing it. The post the CCP member made was a nerf. A POS boost to missile range (You are dreaming if you seriously think they will give it a ROF boost and even then it will be puny) At a cost of GUTTING its tank with the removal of the Resists.
Bleh, Canes never had a tank bonus and people use the heck out of them, so why not put the Drake on par with the Cane?
Also, ignore the Drake, fix the bloody Myrm. You never see Myrm blobs in 0.0 . . . . /me snugglehump you long time GÖÑ
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Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
257
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Posted - 2012.01.20 13:49:00 -
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The nerf is certainly long overdue. If I had gotten an ISK when the first advise to any newbie, regardless of anything else was: train Drake, then something is wrong with the balance.
That most caldari got to used to have the range of the HML comined with a tank that is more powerful then the one on most battleships tells me, a nerf was certainly overdue for a very long time.
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.01.20 14:35:00 -
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Nerf this, nerf that, nerf everything, it really gets tiring. If it's all so bad ass and over powered why not just train to use it? |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
426
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Posted - 2012.01.20 19:33:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:
That most caldari got to used to have the range of the HML comined with a tank that is more powerful then the one on most battleships tells me
Since a Drake maxes at 80EHP with perfect skills, and loses to any rr BS gang... I can't help but wonder what the hell you are talking about. Maybe this is what they teach you in your special ed classes?
Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2630
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Posted - 2012.01.20 19:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Lexmana wrote:Didn't you hear, they are buffing it. The post the CCP member made was a nerf. A POS boost to missile range (You are dreaming if you seriously think they will give it a ROF boost and even then it will be puny) At a cost of GUTTING its tank with the removal of the Resists. So if you completely ignore the thing that would massively buff it, it's a nerfGǪ yeah, great logic there GÇö no distortion at all. If that's the way you want to do it, why not say that the Drake is getting a buff GÇö you're dreaming if you seriously thing they will remove the resist bonus. The suggestion CCP made is an unabashed buff: a significant increase of damage output and application in exchange for something the Drake doesn't particularly need, creating a much more focused ship.
Man this almost reminds me of the time when people whined about the stealth bomber buff. You remember that?
"My 600 DPS @ 60Km covert-cloaking frigate is WORTHLESS!!!!"
Never ceases to amaze me how people will focus on one stat being reduced and cry about it, no matter how many other stats are being increased at the same time. I can just see them at work "I don't care about the 25% pay rise, full medical and getting a corner office in the company HQ, I WANT MY PARKING SLOT BACK!" Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
257
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:00:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Deviana Sevidon wrote:
That most caldari got to used to have the range of the HML comined with a tank that is more powerful then the one on most battleships tells me
Since a Drake maxes at 80EHP with perfect skills, and loses to any rr BS gang... I can't help but wonder what the hell you are talking about. Maybe this is what they teach you in your special ed classes?
Pure EHP can be misleading, especially if you factor in the strong resistance vs. everything except EM into this. |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
426
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:09:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Deviana Sevidon wrote:
That most caldari got to used to have the range of the HML comined with a tank that is more powerful then the one on most battleships tells me
Since a Drake maxes at 80EHP with perfect skills, and loses to any rr BS gang... I can't help but wonder what the hell you are talking about. Maybe this is what they teach you in your special ed classes? Pure EHP can be misleading, especially if you factor in the strong resistance vs. everything except EM into this.
I speak from experience flying them and killing them, where as you seem to be talking out of your ass. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
705
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:10:00 -
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Har Harrison wrote:Nerfing the drake is stupid. Perhaps one of the main reasons people fly it so much is 1) You can skill into it in about 3 months with meh skills and 6 months will give you t2 missiles and tank (same as the other tier 1 and 2 BC). If people get into a caracel cruiser, that also leads them to the drake.
Actually it takes far less then 3 or 6 months.. maybe 2 months for a fleet T1 Drake, by 3 months it should almost be completely T2. Training skills to level 4 doesn't take long.
Har Harrison wrote:2) It is the caldari BC of choice (Ferox sucks) and most people roll Caldari chars when they first start and don't understand the races due to the description of the races. "Do I want to be a religious zealot? No. What about a slave? No. Hmmm - ok, I'll just roll this caldari one. It seem fairly good..
People forget about some of the negatives of drakes it seems, such as it takes time to apply DPS and alot of pvp fleets are armor based unless they are a pure drake blob fleet etc...
There are so many things wrong with your viewpoints on the matter.
First, The Ferox doesn't suck, remember they 'fixed' hybrids, its just a little slow, but can still do some damn good damage with a damn good tank. Hell, if you take a Ferox to a 1v1 you have a 30 second advantage on your opponent, since hes wondering who the hell brought a Ferox to a fight; which ought to be more then enough time to Web/Scram and start Neutroning it up.
Second, Caldari were the most popular years ago, pretty sure Winmatar won this war, because they don't look like generic white people, they arn't asian, and the internet is the only place its cool to be Black.
Third, You mentioned 'drake armies' previously and now your talking about the 'time it takes to apply dps'.. during the larger scaled battles where the 'drake army' shines... usually module lag causes everything to take time to apply dps. If you're a 6 month drake pilot, you should have at least the core skills in Missles trained to at least level 4 with a smattering of level 5's- but this is again overlooking the stupidity of talking about DPS (Damage Per Second) and Missles in the same sentence. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
426
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:12:00 -
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Stop crying so much, Malcanis. Srsly. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
705
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:14:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Since a Drake maxes at 80EHP with perfect skills, and loses to any rr BS gang... I can't help but wonder what the hell you are talking about. Maybe this is what they teach you in your special ed classes?
Its possible to get drakes over 120k EHP, not that it means anything. Buffer is life.
You know how you kill an RR BS gang? Make it jump through a gate after a target.
I love how people see a change or a 'nerf' and instantly think how it will affect 'them' without seeing the big picture. (read: Drakes are flown outside of Empire people, with Arazu's and Scimitars. Thats the entire fleet comp.)
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Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
426
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:18:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Since a Drake maxes at 80EHP with perfect skills, and loses to any rr BS gang... I can't help but wonder what the hell you are talking about. Maybe this is what they teach you in your special ed classes? Its possible to get drakes over 120k EHP, not that it means anything. Buffer is life. You know how you kill an RR BS gang? Make it jump through a gate after a target. I love how people see a change or a 'nerf' and instantly think how it will affect 'them' without seeing the big picture. (read: Drakes are flown outside of Empire people, with Arazu's and Scimitars. Thats the entire fleet comp.)
Nerf abaddons? Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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shannon johanson
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:20:00 -
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Marcus Harikari wrote:Drake sucks. I took mine into a wormhole and got WTFPWND by a loki + rokh duo in like a minute. My missile skills suck, but my defense skills are pretty good...T2 tank...etc...NOPE. BAM!
sorry mate, but you DO SUCK!!!!!
seriously, taking on a loki and a rokh in a wh????? 1 v 1 maybe but both???? YOU DESERVE TO EPICLY DIE IN FLAMES!!!!!! especially in a wh that probably raped your shields anyway, too. and try getting t2 missiles especially HAMS because alot of peeps aren't expecting a Drake with HAM 2s. like mine in close combat pvp. |
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Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
426
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:23:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Xolve wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Since a Drake maxes at 80EHP with perfect skills, and loses to any rr BS gang... I can't help but wonder what the hell you are talking about. Maybe this is what they teach you in your special ed classes? Its possible to get drakes over 120k EHP, not that it means anything. Buffer is life. You know how you kill an RR BS gang? Make it jump through a gate after a target. I love how people see a change or a 'nerf' and instantly think how it will affect 'them' without seeing the big picture. (read: Drakes are flown outside of Empire people, with Arazu's and Scimitars. Thats the entire fleet comp.) Nerf abaddons?
Or wait, did your post mean nerf guardians? Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate EVE Animal Control
14
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:55:00 -
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As I and many others have said, if ccp were to implement the changes they proposed in the CSM minutes to the drake, it is absolutely not a nerf. It is a buff, especially to HML pvp fit drakes.
HAM drakes, we'd have to see. Maybe the increased damage and selectable damage type will not offset the drop in tank, maybe.
PVE drakes, if you like being semi afk permatanking missions in your drake, it could be a nerf to you. If you wish to run missions efficiently (in a drake!?) then it is a buff.
But please keep whining about it before ccp and drake haters realize that they aren't nerfing the drake. |
Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
707
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Posted - 2012.01.20 21:06:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Xolve wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Since a Drake maxes at 80EHP with perfect skills, and loses to any rr BS gang... I can't help but wonder what the hell you are talking about. Maybe this is what they teach you in your special ed classes? Its possible to get drakes over 120k EHP, not that it means anything. Buffer is life. You know how you kill an RR BS gang? Make it jump through a gate after a target. I love how people see a change or a 'nerf' and instantly think how it will affect 'them' without seeing the big picture. (read: Drakes are flown outside of Empire people, with Arazu's and Scimitars. Thats the entire fleet comp.) Nerf abaddons? Or wait, did your post mean nerf guardians?
Neither.
I was saying that RR BS Fleets typically don't have a Logistics (or whats the point really of sacrificing that extra utility high)- and the best way to break them up, is to get them out of their tight little group as jumping them through a gate would (do I really need to explain this?)
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2012.01.20 21:26:00 -
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I guess my post was a little to smart for you. Allow me to dumb it up a bit...
Abaddon gang with logi beats drake gang with logi every time... even if the Abaddons cross the gate after them. This is do to the great range of the Amarr guns and stupid range of the guardian RR. Did that work for you? Because my post seems to have gone over your head.
My OP was also pertaining to how the proposed "nerf" would not change the stupid drake blobs that seems it's intent. In fact, it might make them even more desirable. So it's fail on CCP, fail on CSM and fail on you EFT warriors who are speaking on subjects that you are not well educated on. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Joe Kaperski
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Posted - 2012.01.20 21:38:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:extreme versatility of the Drake.
Have you flown a Cane?
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2012.01.20 21:44:00 -
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Joe Kaperski wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:extreme versatility of the Drake. Have you flown a Cane?
Srsly. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Lili Lu
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:07:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:So yea, Nerf the Tornado Reduce the Drakes EHP down to normal Battlecruiser levels. & if you want to nerf the Drake army, nerf it's EHP and it's range with heavy missiles or you won't see the desired result. 1. nerf the Tornado - Ok, post a thread about this and provide arguments. But, just because there might be Tornado blobs, is not a good argument to not nerf the drake.
2. The removal of the resist bonus does nerf the EHP of the Drake. What exactly are you suggesting? Not much room to subtract actual shield hp on the Drake and keep it at "normal Battlecruiser levels." The ehp is mostly coming from the resist bonus. It goes and the ehp goes with it. Or maybe you are confusing ehp with pve regen tanking? In that case I would bet that an overall BC shield regen nerf is coming as well for all BCs anyway.
3. Heavy missile range- agreed. With skills heavy missiles put more damage out farther than any medium gun with equivalent skills. To even get comparable medium gun range to heavy missile range you need tech II gun ammo. And even then the 7 missiles will beat the 7 medium guns for dps at the extreme end of gun range. Of course at 10km or less theoretical ideal medium gun damage will overtake HM damage but then tracking comes into play in comparing say gleam v fury.
Regardless, as with an overall BC shield regen nerf possibility, there have been statements about reducing overall HM range. This could be why the Drake may also be getting a missile velocity bonus to replace its present bonuses. A velocity bonus would give HAMs a boost while the velocity bonus coupled with say a flight time reduction for all HM would not give a HM Drake any more range than it already has, simply preserve the current range + or - some amount.
We simply will not know what the Drake may look like til it hits the test server. And that new (nerfed is not really the best word, more like trimmed/refocused) Drake will probably not be the only new balancing alteration. It is enough though that the devs finally said, we can't have Drakes being the never-ending go to ship for pve and even pvp. It has had been the quickest route to level 4s and been a pvp fleet BS equivalent/alternative for too way long. Seriously, let's wait to see what collection of balancing changes hit the test server. |
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:15:00 -
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Tr:dl? That post was kind of long winded and boring, so I didn't really read it.
Something about how you can't figure out how to make a drake's EHP like the rest of the battlecruisers. Seems pretty strait forward to me. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:50:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:I guess my post was a little to smart for you. Allow me to dumb it up a bit...
Abaddon gang with logi beats drake gang with logi every time... even if the Abaddons cross the gate after them. This is do to the great range of the Amarr guns and stupid range of the guardian RR. Did that work for you? Because my post seems to have gone over your head.
So what your saying is Tier 2 Battlecruisers with Logi Support should be able to take out Tier 3 Battleships with Logi Support?
My point was, RR BS gangs normally DON'T have logisitics ships, otherwise your wasting utility slots with pointless remote repairs when you could use, you know another gun or a neut, or something more useful.
*IF* you can bait a RR BS (Remote-Repair Battleship since you obviously don't know what that means) gang through a gate, and have them scattered 20km away from each other, they don't have reps anymore, and if their opponents are flying the standard PODLA nano drakes (scram + webs), they arn't getting back to the gates either. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:52:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I guess my post was a little to smart for you. Allow me to dumb it up a bit...
Abaddon gang with logi beats drake gang with logi every time... even if the Abaddons cross the gate after them. This is do to the great range of the Amarr guns and stupid range of the guardian RR. Did that work for you? Because my post seems to have gone over your head. So what your saying is Tier 2 Battlecruisers with Logi Support should be able to take out Tier 3 Battleships with Logi Support? My point was, RR BS gangs normally DON'T have logisitics ships, otherwise your wasting utility slots with pointless remote repairs when you could use, you know another gun or a neut, or something more useful. *IF* you can bait a RR BS (Remote-Repair Battleship since you obviously don't know what that means) gang through a gate, and have them scattered 20km away from each other, they don't have reps anymore, and if their opponents are flying the standard PODLA nano drakes (scram + webs), they arn't getting back to the gates either.
That's just fine and dandy at all... but you obviously have not been PVP much in low sec. If you had been we would not be having this conversation. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Xolve
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:21:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:That's just fine and dandy at all... but you obviously have not been PVP much in low/null sec. If you had been we would not be having this conversation.
Please tell me the original EP sold his character, and you are the semi-******** new owner.
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:47:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:That's just fine and dandy at all... but you obviously have not been PVP much in low/null sec. If you had been we would not be having this conversation. Please tell me the original EP sold his character, and you are the semi-******** new owner.
Nope, It's me. It's just that you just have to be a major **** on these forums in order to be heard LOL and I didn't recognize your new character picture My bad!
Eternum bows to Xolve and asks his forgiveness.
You are right about the battleship thing but I have been seeing that less and less. Everyone is moving over to Alpha fleets and Hellcats. Logistics and carriers are replacing normal RR as well. I can't remember the last time I encountered a normal RR gang come to think of it. So taking that into account, I don't see why a drake needs to be touched outside of tweaking it's ehp slightly.
There that is my non-troll reply! Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:24:00 -
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The forum ate my response, and I don't care enough to re-type it. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
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