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banannagirl
The U-B-H-C
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Posted - 2008.03.19 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Razen21 Edited by: Razen21 on 16/09/2007 20:51:01 500m of zydrine lost....What is the point of having hi security areas where players can sucicide gank you?
Victim: Razen21 Alliance: Elemental Fusion Corp: Black Thorne Corporation Destroyed: Bestower System: Kusomonmon Security: 0.8
Involved parties:
Name: Evil M (laid the final blow) Security: -0.4 Alliance: Cult of War Corp: Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Ship: Hurricane Weapon: 425mm AutoCannon I
Destroyed items:
Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
i spent most of the week getting that 500m worth of zydrine :( if it had gotten destroyed at least i'd have the satisfaction. This is very...frustrating.
carrying 500 m in a hurricane ...
USE something fast - real fast ..... ! like a cruiser --- cant see how the hell you got blown up anyway ... with wtz.
Use a frig always ... like a rifter ... with mwd and stab and expanders on .. or a covert ops for zyd and stuff ...!
well done gankers .. congrats ...!
waaaa waaaa waaaa
regards BG
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Vincent S
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.19 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: banannagirl
carrying 500 m in a hurricane ...
USE something fast - real fast ..... ! like a cruiser --- cant see how the hell you got blown up anyway ... with wtz.
Use a frig always ... like a rifter ... with mwd and stab and expanders on .. or a covert ops for zyd and stuff ...!
well done gankers .. congrats ...!
waaaa waaaa waaaa
regards BG
- Can't understand a simple killmail - Can't string together a coherent sentence without sounding like a 13 year old AOL ****** - Signs her posts
Conclusion: Get out
To the people thinking removing insurance would solve this "problem" - Get real. A VEXOR can put out 740 DPS with max skills, almost equal to a gank battleship. A vexor costs 4m. Do you really think removing insurance would change anything?
Also, I think the whiners in this thread are pathetic. Eve is a harsh game, and you can either adapt or cry like little girls because a mean ganker blew up your stuff.
Here's a time-tested EVE lesson: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose! I think suicide ganking of officer-fitted mission runners is the best thing to ever happen to this game. Introducing some risk to the mindless mission running drones in highsec has been long overdue.
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Theladder
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.19 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent S
Originally by: banannagirl
carrying 500 m in a hurricane ...
USE something fast - real fast ..... ! like a cruiser --- cant see how the hell you got blown up anyway ... with wtz.
Use a frig always ... like a rifter ... with mwd and stab and expanders on .. or a covert ops for zyd and stuff ...!
well done gankers .. congrats ...!
waaaa waaaa waaaa
regards BG
- Can't understand a simple killmail - Can't string together a coherent sentence without sounding like a 13 year old AOL ****** - Signs her posts
Conclusion: Get out
To the people thinking removing insurance would solve this "problem" - Get real. A VEXOR can put out 740 DPS with max skills, almost equal to a gank battleship. A vexor costs 4m. Do you really think removing insurance would change anything?
Also, I think the whiners in this thread are pathetic. Eve is a harsh game, and you can either adapt or cry like little girls because a mean ganker blew up your stuff.
Here's a time-tested EVE lesson: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose! I think suicide ganking of officer-fitted mission runners is the best thing to ever happen to this game. Introducing some risk to the mindless mission running drones in highsec has been long overdue.
I got 621 dps with 4 T2 blasters + 5* hammerheads II on a vexor it is quite decent idd but it is not as cheap as i thought it would be. 1m for insurance + approx 10m fitting + 4m ships? 15m per gank.
The thing is, not every hauler has expensive goods inside of its cargo, if you are not afk hauling stuff in highsec, the suicide ganker will have to scan your ship first or give a random shot... if the ganker isn't lucky, he will lose 15m and get nothing besides a poorly T1 fitted hauler
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Ioci
Ioci Exploration
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:09:00 -
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I posted some thoughts, got sent back to the login screen and poof all gone. So goes the toilet bowl timesink of eve. Honest? Belt rat or become a 'mindless mission runner'. It's cash in the bank. No gank can take it from you. Fly junk, fit junk. Loots work. Let someone else make the hundreds of runs in a tanked out BS for zydrine orders. |
Blindone1
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:08:00 -
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Once again I state that I agree with suicide ganking, but everyone must realizae that something is broken here, and some changes are needed.
Malcanis posted a terrific, uncachable, cheap, Viator setup. I would gladly transport all my assets in it, knowing that I would be 100% safe in Empire with that setup and ship. The only drawback is that it can only carry 3750m3!!! So if your solution to safe hauling is that, you must be joking. As a matter of fact I don't mind taking a 10 Bill estamel Invuln field inside my shuttle in high sec, because the shuttle has all the tank it's needed. I do it frequentely with 2+ Bill inside, with no fear. What I fear is taking out my mission running ship, because then, the only factor relevant to my survival is if I get randomly scaned or not.
The only way you can tank suicide ganking is by aligning faster than they can put a lock on you. Obviously mission runners and serious haulers have no chance to escape. Theres no shield or armor tank with even a remote chance. Obviously dumb gankers who don't know what they're doing may screw things up...
The only thing mission runners can do is leave the multi billion ships docked, and haulers have to split their cargo, making the game a real PITA. There's also no risk for the gankers, if they do their homework, proffit is assured. Anyone who doesn't agree that this is out of balance must be either biased or blind. I use to play on both sides of the fence, so I think my view is balanced. I just ask for some changes to tweak the chances for both sides.
Gankers must have a chance to profit, and carebears/haulers must have a chance to survive an attack, providing both sides did some preparation. The way it is it's a completely broken game mechanic. If you have a officer fitted CNR or Golem the only smart move is to run missions with a tech 2 fitted ship. What a great game mechanic!!
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Khalen Orerunner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:21:00 -
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The fix for high sec barge ganking is providing a barge that can put up a better defence at the cost of storage for the extra shield and armor equiptment.
I know you can mine in a domi with lasers instead of strip miners but you cant mine ice that way.
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Mighty Dread
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:44:00 -
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If no one has done it yet I suggest setting up a channel ingame for haulers and miners to report camps and possible suicide squads. Of course you can't be AFK to take advantage of this.
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Lyria Skydancer
Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Razen21 OP WHINE
Hahaha, can I have it? You know....your stuff. Can I have it? -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.03.19 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Razen21 OP WHINE
Hahaha, can I have it? You know....your stuff. Can I have it?
No because the pirates stole it from his crappy Bestower!
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.19 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Blindone1 Once again I state that I agree with suicide ganking, but everyone must realizae that something is broken here, and some changes are needed.
Malcanis posted a terrific, uncachable, cheap, Viator setup. I would gladly transport all my assets in it, knowing that I would be 100% safe in Empire with that setup and ship. The only drawback is that it can only carry 3750m3!!! So if your solution to safe hauling is that, you must be joking. As a matter of fact I don't mind taking a 10 Bill estamel Invuln field inside my shuttle in high sec, because the shuttle has all the tank it's needed. I do it frequentely with 2+ Bill inside, with no fear. What I fear is taking out my mission running ship, because then, the only factor relevant to my survival is if I get randomly scaned or not.
The only way you can tank suicide ganking is by aligning faster than they can put a lock on you. Obviously mission runners and serious haulers have no chance to escape. Theres no shield or armor tank with even a remote chance. Obviously dumb gankers who don't know what they're doing may screw things up...
The only thing mission runners can do is leave the multi billion ships docked, and haulers have to split their cargo, making the game a real PITA. There's also no risk for the gankers, if they do their homework, proffit is assured. Anyone who doesn't agree that this is out of balance must be either biased or blind. I use to play on both sides of the fence, so I think my view is balanced. I just ask for some changes to tweak the chances for both sides.
Gankers must have a chance to profit, and carebears/haulers must have a chance to survive an attack, providing both sides did some preparation. The way it is it's a completely broken game mechanic. If you have a officer fitted CNR or Golem the only smart move is to run missions with a tech 2 fitted ship. What a great game mechanic!!
Actually, with 1 GSC and 2 LSC that Viator can carry close to 5000m^3
For high value cargo like Zydrine, T2 mods, Salvage, that really is enough. No-one is going to gank your expanded ity5 full of Scordite or T1 mission junk.
There are several things that mission runners can do to protect their officer-fitted ships - there was a thread about exactly this topic not so long ago, but I'll recap:
(1) Don't use it for every mission. For stupidly easy stuff like "Duo of Death" just use a t1 battleship.
(2) Vary your patterns a bit. Don't have the same fit every time.
(3) Pay attention to your surroundings, use a scanner now and then
(4) If you have a leadership/salvaging alt, use it to scout out stations/gates
(5) If someone really wants to kill your ship they can. Deal with it.
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Blindone1
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.19 18:49:00 -
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Malcanis,
1) Good one. It may delay my death to the next mission.
2) The expensive stuff I had was for tank, because I lost my previous BS to lag! I think a perma running tank is very usefull to avoid lag, unfortunately they usually don't come cheap. There was not much to vary, anyhow on the other side of the gate they can scan people to make sure.
3) Only 5 ships at the gate when I jumped. If i avoid jumping in system with that many I won't go far in Empire.
4) Same as above
5) Yes, But I still think that it needs balancing
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