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Emporors Champian
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Posted - 2007.09.17 20:05:00 -
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please allow area type dueling.
what you do is initiate duel simular to a gang invite. you have to set very few limitations like how many players can join each side and what class ships may be involved. then all members who wish to join will pay concord 1 million to allow this in high sec and add an option for duel prize. say like isk or items or wreaks/salvage goes to winning side. you can even set it to non leathal if you choose so if your in a large group battle and all players are hitting 1 ship concord will remote rep the ship now in hull damage to become invulnerable and removed from the fight by droping thier target locks and warn them further attemp will set them criminal status!
yes i know we can do this in low or 0.0 but where is the honesty or fair play.... you have to take winning teams word for it.
they do this sort of thing in eve radio but sometimes you wanna beat someone in high sec up and sometimes they have 5 cloaked ships waiting for action
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.09.17 20:21:00 -
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there is no honor in eve, no good guy and much like an official ransom mechanic, no chance of this happening
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George K'ntara
Gallente
Pale Riders Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.09.18 01:10:00 -
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I don't think it will happen but I like the idea mostly.
I agree with the part about it working like a gang invite.
I think the money should go to a pool winner takes all. Not to mention you can always loot the wreck.
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Emporors Champian
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Posted - 2007.09.18 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: Emporors Champian on 18/09/2007 10:51:34
eve dev team could also use something like this on rare occasions to create events. to give away unique items such as snow lanchers or gardian vexors or storm and so on. this can be used to help monitor fights.
also think in the arena settings should be an option to set area size.
it could also be fitted with more camera options allowing spectators to see it more movie style.
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Emporors Champian
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Posted - 2007.09.25 12:03:00 -
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i just think there are to many whimps that wanna fight long as they have a sure win.
if we have santioned fights that would stop the junk talk and begin the action.
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Capn Hack
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.25 13:01:00 -
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i think this is a decent idea. theres a large push to get newer players into lowsec and pvp action but most dont want to risk their new ship just to find out what pvp is like (due mostly to money issues). letting people 'train' pvp in highsec without any of the rewards normally garnered from it would help people adjust to the dangers of lowsec space as well as the fun of pvp and would get more people hooked on pvp in the game.
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Terazuk
Amarr
Rogen's Heroes
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.25 15:39:00 -
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Sanctioned duels... hmmmm.
I think it's quite a good Idea you know and it fits in quite nicely to the whole feudal society thing.
Where 2 parties have to BOTH agree that honour has been besmirched and dealt with.
I don't think that a separate area is needed for it tho' just merely allowing the players to temporarily attack each other without penalty would be sufficient. Plus I think it should without doubt adjust the Aggro mechanics... Anyone interfering with a duel would get the holy concord stick for their temerity. Ganged or not... Just to prevent abuse.
 Originally by: "Johho Bulon"
...for god sake please inspire us instead of the seemingly constant downgrading of anything that works.
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ollobrains
Mission Invasion Squad
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Posted - 2007.09.25 21:32:00 -
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drop a can each and whola
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Emporors Champian
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Posted - 2007.09.26 11:44:00 -
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droping a can to be stolen from somewhat works but you cant place rules with it.
my idea allows for any agreed number of players to be involved.
you can set a perimater to agreed size and each ship will be able to visuize this perimater so spectators will not want to get in the middle of it.
set it for fatal or submission so if you agree on submission and your ship is pounded buy whole enemy team all locke the victom ship has and enemy ship has on victom will be broken and warning will be sent to loser to leave perimiter promptly.
set ship size limit. so if you wanna frigate fight only frigates invited to combat may participate.
there is no criminal count down
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Ellaine TashMurkon
CBC Interstellar
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:04:00 -
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You can set any rules and then enforce them yourself. You can choose a neutral arbitrator to guard fair play, you can use ship scanners to check if fittings conform rules. You can choose to fight in lowsec and risk a hostile visit. Someone might chose to use dirty tricks, break the rules, run, call friends, use equipment you agreed not to use. You can try to get a revenge for the trickery. You can kill someone by accident or ill will even if you agreed to fight to 90% hull.
Naturally, both sides may prove honorable and enjoy a fair and exciting fight.
In real life, when two knights or victorian age gentelmen dueled, it was also possible to end dishonorably, and even a friendly fight also had chance of fatal accident. To assure fair play, they could always invite spectacors and arbitrators - real people, not mechanics out of nowhere.
Realism, endless possibilities, risk and excitement. Current dueling mechanics are perfect! :
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kimish
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Posted - 2007.09.26 15:02:00 -
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would be awsome. but will never come, then pvp would actually be a mutual agreement and not a gangbang on the weak...
you don't expect ccp to actually incurage fairness or good attitude do you:P
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Posted - 2007.09.26 15:38:00 -
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they are going to implement walking in stations soon from what i read... so... how about an "arcade" where you can use a "fight simulator". and to make it more fun, add betting. then new players will learn how to use all the technical stuff that is insanely compicated in 0.0 PVP.
plus i can make more money being the undefeatable guru of fake fake space.
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Capn Hack
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.26 16:43:00 -
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ah come on, this is never going to replace open pvp because its not meant to, its just meant to be a way to organise small fights. some people are new and dont have the money to risk their ship on a dodgy fight, some people are dim/evil and wont understand the rules set out for the fight no matter what happens, some people dont have the time or willingness from the community to find an arbitrator or spectators for a little fight. for those people, bein able to quickly set up a match (only in highsec if you like) with enforced rules for a bit of fun or pvp training would be infinitely useful. remember, most of these fights wouldnt have the rewards you get from real pvp so its not infringing on the rest of the game at all.
if youre wondering why you have to gatecamp to find someone to shoot then take another look at whats going on with new players. theyre being pushed into lowsec before they understand it and many dont want to go for that reason alone. pvp is fun and there should be more of it, so why not let people get a bit more comfortable with the prospect of pvp and then let them get addicted to it and then let them fly through your crosshairs in lowsec? its better for everyone that more people leave the relative safety of empire space and get into pvp, and this idea will help make that happen. not by pushing and shoving, but by giving people a sneak peek at the fun they could be having whilst they make their money.
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Ellaine TashMurkon
CBC Interstellar
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Posted - 2007.09.26 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ellaine TashMurkon on 26/09/2007 18:55:18
it seems that people ask for duel deature before even trying it by themselves. Its easy and fun :)
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lofty29
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.26 19:07:00 -
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No 
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kimish
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Posted - 2007.09.26 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Capn Hack
for a bit of fun
see this is where your argument fails.
eve pvp is not supposed to be fun for any one else THEN the asswhole attitude people and/or the big guys who can afford to lose ship after ship and using eve as a second life.
"WHAT!!!! YOU WANT THIS TO BE FUN FOR ANY ONE BUT ME!!!! ARE YOU FREAKING INSANE!!! THIS COULD RUIN MY EASY KILLS AND MY OMPF POWNAGEAAAAGGEEGEGE KILLBAORDS!! RABBLE RABBLE!!"
ps. totally agree with you, but you gotta realize ccp has NEVER done anything in this game to actually make the high sec or noob pilots happy. so don't expect them to start. and as i said "you really think they would do something that let you have FUN in pvp as a casual carebear type player"?! hehe no
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Suoh Amshar
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Posted - 2007.09.26 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
No 
youre one of these people: Originally by: kimish
the big guys who can afford to lose ship after ship
if youre gonna disagree then provide an argument. otherwise your opinion doesnt matter
im one of these people: Originally by: kimish
a casual carebear type player
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great idea guys. ccp please change your ways and put this in
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Capn Hack
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.27 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: kimish
ps. totally agree with you, but you gotta realize ccp has NEVER done anything in this game to actually make the high sec or noob pilots happy. so don't expect them to start. and as i said "you really think they would do something that let you have FUN in pvp as a casual carebear type player"?! hehe no
i didnt really mean it to make 'carebears' happy, more as an introduction to pvp so there would be less carebears, which is something that ccp does want. yes, there will always be those who rig fights and so on, but as things are now that threat is something that new players really fear and that stops them even considering pvp or lowsec space until theyre forced into it. when that happens they get instapopped because they had no idea how to work things in a pvp fight, and then they get ****ed off and either stop playing the game or just ***** about it in whichever channel happens to be in focus at the time. that outcome isnt good for anyone, ccp included.
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Ellaine TashMurkon
CBC Interstellar
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Posted - 2007.09.27 06:58:00 -
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Edited by: Ellaine TashMurkon on 27/09/2007 06:59:45
Anyway, the most popular ship is battleship, 500-800 meter long monster with thousands of crew on board. Duels just not fit that too much. Imagine this in real life;
"800 marine soliders died in a horrible accident when two US Navy battleships suddenly started shooting each other. We suspected terrorist attack until decoding this radio transmission from right before this tragic event;
-Hey Bob, I'm bored, 1 on 1?
-LOL, yea, sure!"
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ginsu gnife
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Posted - 2007.09.28 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: kimish
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ps. totally agree with you, but you gotta realize ccp has NEVER done anything in this game to actually make the high sec or noob pilots happy. so don't expect them to start. and as i said "you really think they would do something that let you have FUN in pvp as a casual carebear type player"?! hehe no
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here is a totally misinformed player. i wont bring up lord zap gate camping AMAR with his corp killing brand new players and easily defeating concord. CCP had to rewrite the entire concord code and it took months for them to get concord to the level of AI it is now.They interfered with gameplay and banished him to the furthest reaches of the universe.... ahh those were the good ole days.
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Emporors Champian
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Posted - 2007.10.01 15:37:00 -
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looks like mostly good responces to this post. but i have to say yes you can creat your own rule but how do you monitor it all this dock undock to scan ships or what ever. im mearly tring to make the events eve raido a much faster set up!
no worries!
if theres a cheater you will know when he enters the ring and concor puts him in a pod.
if i am going to fight someone with honor how do we garontee hes not scum?
in real life im the dirtiest fighter i bite, scratch, poke, toss dirt, use wepons, talk trash, and wont stop beating you till dead or people drag me off (thank god thats the case every time).
but if im in a match like when i was in golden gloves i fight fair because the coach is there to moderate.
i just am very sour about taking your word and you dont have to converse with the enemy you just say hey punk wanna duel? im sending you a challenge then you both select the rules you choose one done you equip and fight no moderators because concord can handle that job.
space is infanate so the ring can be quite large
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Thrus
Caldari
The Phalanx Expeditionary Conglomerate
Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2007.10.01 18:02:00 -
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any person in a gang can fight without concord intervention. as a result of this you are able to have duels. actualy i treat any random gang invite in empire as a duel request and promptly turn it down. I imagin use of the private convo and then ganging together could be used effectively to have agreeded on duel.
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Valandril
Caldari
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.10.01 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Thrus
any person in a gang can fight without concord intervention. as a result of this you are able to have duels. actualy i treat any random gang invite in empire as a duel request and promptly turn it down. I imagin use of the private convo and then ganging together could be used effectively to have agreeded on duel.
lmao, if u shoot somone in a gang concord will *****you.
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ninjaholic
Gallente
Burn the Jolly Roger
Phoenix Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.01 18:56:00 -
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This idea has already been suggested I think
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=498837&sid=544097934
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Thrus
Caldari
The Phalanx Expeditionary Conglomerate
Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2007.10.01 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril
Originally by: Thrus
any person in a gang can fight without concord intervention. as a result of this you are able to have duels. actualy i treat any random gang invite in empire as a duel request and promptly turn it down. I imagin use of the private convo and then ganging together could be used effectively to have agreeded on duel.
lmao, if u shoot somone in a gang concord will *****you.
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My mistake, only ever tested it with people that were corp members as well. Don't trust others to stop when tank broke. I asumed it was the gang fact that allowed them to be able to shoot at me, guess it was the fact taht we were in the same corp. Just another case of asuming making an *** out of me. thank you for the info it is good to know for future referance, the insult was not needed.
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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.01 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 01/10/2007 19:23:47
SISI
Go there and play around in the "Consentual" combat zones or go nutz in the "Free For All" zones.
The only way the OP's idea could work is for the CCP event staff to get more events going in EVE. Maybe high-sec tourneys for players less than 3 months old based on ship class or point system to get more into something like pvp, once they get a taste of it they might want more. Give them 3 "pvp" fitted frigs of their race and let them compete.
With all the violence in EVE it is hard to believe it doesn't have entertainment value in a gladiatorial arena.
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Emporors Champian
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Posted - 2007.10.07 13:11:00 -
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wow the other tournament idea has a good idea about buble but the problem with a bubble is if your inside it might be a collidable object but if it funtions like a pos shild that be nice you can leave but you cant come back in hehe.
and my idea has limits and safty for those you dont wish to play anialation but rather submission. but glad to see like minded post out there.
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DrDooma
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Posted - 2007.10.07 15:27:00 -
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FYI: You can do this on test server.
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Remko Marr
Caldari
First And Only
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Posted - 2007.10.07 18:32:00 -
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I like the idea here. I know me and the ceo of my corp are somewhat competetive, and it would be really fun every once and a while to have a corp duel, sort of like the alliance tourney but on a small scale, just for fun. You could get together a large prize, and then split into teams, and fight in a remote area of high-sec, with CONCORD closely looking on. Last team standing wins, or you could do whoever has the mosst amount of ships after a set time wins. Any aggression after the duel is over is responded to normally by CONCORD. I also like the idea of non-lethal. Once you're down to 1/2 structure, you are automatically pulled from the fight, or something.
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SpawnSupreme
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Posted - 2007.10.28 20:16:00 -
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where do i sign?
bump bump
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.10.28 22:20:00 -
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yes TY! signed
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VJ Maverick
Caldari
Maverick Specialized Services
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Posted - 2007.10.28 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: VJ Maverick on 28/10/2007 22:44:19
Just Say No to Carebear PvP!
EDIT : And no, I'm not one of those big guys who can afford to lose ship after ship.
Originally by: Bodhisattvas
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SpawnSupreme
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Posted - 2007.11.06 12:24:00 -
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just say yes to care bear pvp.
this is a great way to show new players the fun and excitement of eve.
new players cant join eve and have any fun... they mine??? boring they mission??? not so bad till you get repeat missions. they pvp??? die instantly and dont have th skills to help or be any use in PVP combat. they science or trade??? boring and need money to make money.
pvp is what makes this game most apealing but you cant pvp worth a darn till you make it to about 10 mill skill points and of no use with less than 3 mill and average player is in or above 20 mill.
so how can they compete to have fun?
if you disagree with my numbers your a moron! my numbers are generus i should rais them but i thought i use the lowest possible numbers.
yes i will get some idiot that lies and say he went to 0.0 and get 100 kills with a 1 mill skill point charictor.
never the less im right and this idea would make newbs capable of experimenting with pvp
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar
FSK23
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Posted - 2007.11.06 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Capn Hack
i think this is a decent idea. theres a large push to get newer players into lowsec and pvp action but most dont want to risk their new ship just to find out what pvp is like (due mostly to money issues).
PvP in eve is loss. Either for you, or for the other.
Eve pvp without loss is dull. You can't find out what eve-pvp is like without losing ships because you just removed it from your duel grounds.
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Growler Khalast
Gallente
An Eye For An Eye
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.11.06 13:54:00 -
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I thought it was called Low Sec Space, or even better, 0.0 . Though usually this is caught on uncalled for.
BOL, wouldn't mind seeing some sort of PvP fuction you could use to duel someone in Empire space (with a CSPA charge ofc [:lol:). I maybe there's a function where you could duel someone but survive the last hit with 10% hull or something, that'd be sweet. But then again, there's the Test(s) server as well.
If all you want to do is inflict a hefty loss on another other player, then Low sec or 0.0 would be best.
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VJ Maverick
Caldari
Maverick Specialized Services
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Posted - 2007.11.06 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: SpawnSupreme
just say yes to care bear pvp.
this is a great way to show new players the fun and excitement of eve.
new players cant join eve and have any fun... they mine??? boring they mission??? not so bad till you get repeat missions. they pvp??? die instantly and dont have th skills to help or be any use in PVP combat. they science or trade??? boring and need money to make money.
pvp is what makes this game most apealing but you cant pvp worth a darn till you make it to about 10 mill skill points and of no use with less than 3 mill and average player is in or above 20 mill.
so how can they compete to have fun?
if you disagree with my numbers your a moron! my numbers are generus i should rais them but i thought i use the lowest possible numbers.
yes i will get some idiot that lies and say he went to 0.0 and get 100 kills with a 1 mill skill point charictor.
never the less im right and this idea would make newbs capable of experimenting with pvp
It seems that only you and your alts support this idea. By the way, loss-less PvP wil ruin the EvE economy. Who do you think buys all those ships, modules and rigs that carebears produce? PvPers! Only people like you regularly lose ships in missions (read your smartbomb nonsense post), thus it is PvP that keeps the economy from imploding.
Originally by: Bodhisattvas
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Undeadenemy
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Posted - 2007.11.08 20:47:00 -
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The best way to do this in High Sec is for both to jet cans and steal from each other. For the price of 2 pieces of anti-matter you can duel.
Secondly, the only thing carebears are good for is to be shot, hung, and strapped to the exterior of my ship.
If you don't want this to happen to you then we can take a hot iron to that tattoo on your stomach and teach you the ways of "mono-consentual" PVP.
Well there is one thing carebears are good for, and thats mining for me. Let them mine into a can for a while, jet a piece of ammo, then transfer my ore to my can so a hauler from my crew can pick it up. If they take it back, I win, if they don't I win. EVE is a cold, harsh world, if you want to practice your carebeardom then you can play WOW. If you want to PVP, then go PVP, if you want to duel, jet a can and fight someone who's honest.
The last thing EVE should ever be about is fair play - its about who's bigger and stronger, and you should either side with them, or get paved over. Alternatively, you could fight them tooth and nail and try to overcome them. If you do the last thing, then good for you, you have my respect.
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
Imperium Forces
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:43:00 -
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Man I wouldnt even wish WoW on you, your just that lame....
Hello Kitty Online is that way >>>>>>>>>>>
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Katana Seiko
Made in Germany
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Posted - 2007.11.09 04:24:00 -
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are we in WoW here? No, thank you. We have enough PvP.
Well, we could make those duels and wars the only occasion where Pod killing would be possible...
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Zyrus Hauler
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Posted - 2007.11.10 10:02:00 -
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I am not a PvPer, but it would be great if all the fight-searching-scum is cleanly removed from EVE LowSec space and disappears in 1:1 battles in deep HighSec space! (Oops, did I say that here!?). By this it would be far less dangerous to jump into LowSec because PvPers looking for fun are not doing gate-camps...
/signed
Zyrus
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
Do Or Die And Live Or Try
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Posted - 2007.11.10 11:53:00 -
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Short, this is a game of "screw-you-over". If sanctioned duels prevent you from beeing screwed with, then no.
This also means that this is a game of great trust. If you want to duel someone, you and he can drop a can, you can steal them from each other and trust that the other one doesn't screw you over. Since its very easy to screw you over and have you corp m8's close by, not many do this.
So add in a clause that opens up for you beeing ambushed, stabbed in the back and cheated, then you can have your sanctioned duels.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
STK Scientific
Black-Out
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Posted - 2007.11.11 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains
drop a can each and whola
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Reggie Stoneloader
Teikoku Trade Conglomerate
Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2007.11.12 02:45:00 -
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Can-swapping is a perfectly valid way to have legal fights in Concord space. I'm not opposed to a way to flag yourself willfully to an individual, though. It would be nice when there's a risk of smartbombing a mate's drones in a mission deadspace or when trying to bait someone into engaging you in high-sec.
But not a "duel" per se. That's for hosers.
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