Pages: [1] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Riddick Valer
|
Posted - 2007.09.19 00:46:00 -
[1]
My current plan was to head for a Nighthawk, and all I really have left is BC V. Should I go for that, or do Caldari BS V (currently at iv) for the future T2 BS?
|
Kazuma Saruwatari
|
Posted - 2007.09.19 01:08:00 -
[2]
unless you have no plans to fly capitals, go BC. -
Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online |
Rainhailer
Gallente Einherjar Rising
|
Posted - 2007.09.19 01:51:00 -
[3]
BS! It takes longer.
|
Packe
Minmatar Wayward Brewing Fallen Souls
|
Posted - 2007.09.19 02:09:00 -
[4]
they are both rank 8, so take the same time.
My money is on BS V .... new Tech 2 BS are coming...
|
Valea
Wrath Of Khaine Curatores Veritatis Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.09.19 02:20:00 -
[5]
As a BS V pilot, I thoroughly recommend it, not only will it open up cap ships, it will also open up the new t2 ships. Also, you have 3 BSes for which the bonuses could be applied to. Whereas with BC, you essentially have 1 logical choice, since the tier 1 battlecruisers pale in comparison.
|
vidax
|
Posted - 2007.09.19 02:43:00 -
[6]
But the BC skill is multiracial so you have a choice of 4 very different ships plus 2 command ships. I went with BC5 first, then BS5
|
Heartcarver
X Bane X
|
Posted - 2007.09.19 06:21:00 -
[7]
Originally by: Packe
they are both rank 8, so take the same time.
My money is on BS V .... new Tech 2 BS are coming...
BC = Rank 6 BS = Rank 8
"The point of war isn't to die for your country, it's to make the other bastard die for his" |
RaTTuS
BIG Ka-Tet
|
Posted - 2007.09.19 08:01:00 -
[8]
BC 5 you can have a lot of fun in a NH. BS 5 afterwards - but those ships will be very expensive -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve & RaTTuS Home
|
Luke Pubcrawler
|
Posted - 2007.09.19 08:29:00 -
[9]
Edited by: Luke Pubcrawler on 19/09/2007 08:32:12 Just made this decision myself and went for BC5.
I already have Amarr Cruiser 5 and HAC4, plus all 3 other races cruisers at 4. Getting BC5 not only gives me the Absolution and then Damnation but gives me areal incentive to spend an extra 40 days to get minmatar and caldari cruisers to 5 - netting me 4 HACS, 4 Recons and 2 more command ships.
Total training time for me about 60 something days. Total gain 11 new T2 ships.
Training Amarr or Minmatar BS5 would take around 30 days and gain me 2 new t2 BS. However we don't yet know the full skill requiements for the new BS - there will be alot of disappointed people out there if it follows the AF-HAC-Command ship progression and you need Command ship 4. probably won't but who knows? And there are plenty of other skills that could be required for them.
Unless you have your heart set on capitals then I would say go BC. After all in reality there is not much a BS can do that a command ship cannot and the BC does it with cruiser sized modules and therefore requires less SP to make work.
Also - following the HAC-Command Ship line with multiraces rather than the BS line with one or two provides a degree of nerf proofing
|
Mashie Saldana
Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
|
Posted - 2007.09.19 08:36:00 -
[10]
Do BC 5 first as it is a prerequisite for CS 5 (rank 8).
Light Assault Launchers & Defender FoF ideas |
|
Blazing Fire
Interstellar Operations Incorporated
|
Posted - 2007.09.19 08:54:00 -
[11]
As the most of hte people said BC5 first, then BS5.
Blazing Fire CEO Interstellar Operations Incorporated Corp web site
Recruitment Looking for experienced players Looking for new EVE players
Services [Service] Killboard hosting [Service] Forum hosting [Service] Web site hosting [Service] Obelisk for rent [Service] Alliance Creation
|
Ralitge boyter
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2007.09.19 10:00:00 -
[12]
Edited by: Ralitge boyter on 19/09/2007 10:00:19 Having both at lvl5 I would say, do the BC first it is wonderful on a drake, it gives as you said nighthawk potential and with the T2 BS's comming out in November/December (sorry CCP your track record just doesn't make me feel sure about your release dates anymore) you should have enough time to train that to lvl5 as well
Anyway the BC is far more usefull right now and who knows how over priced and utterly useless the T2 BS's are going to be. The might be the best thing since Quafe Ultra but they could just as well turn out to be as usefull as a industrial during a gate camp.
------------------------------------------- Should you disagree with me, well I guess that is because I disagree with you. If you have a problem with that please feel free not to tell me. |
Peanut Swsh
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
|
Posted - 2007.09.19 14:34:00 -
[13]
well seeing as certain command ships required heavy assault ships to lvl 4, it wouldn't be suprising to see that some of the new t2 BS's might require command ships to lvl4.
|
Keithos
Caldari
|
Posted - 2007.09.19 17:24:00 -
[14]
Unless you're willing to spend lots of isk for the t2 bs to have them immediately on release, there's not much rush for getting BS 5. I'd say it should be on your list of things to do but not as high as BC 5. With bc 5 and a comand ship you should be able to run any level 4 (if you're a mission runner) and command ships are nice in fleet battles too. And as other's have pointed out you can go multi racial easier with BC 5 then BS 5.
|
ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire
|
Posted - 2007.09.20 00:05:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Peanut Swsh well seeing as certain command ships required heavy assault ships to lvl 4, it wouldn't be suprising to see that some of the new t2 BS's might require command ships to lvl4.
By that assumption, t2 cruiser skills would require the t2 destroyer skills or if you don't want to go with that, Theres not going to be a black ops/stealth orientated BC yet we know theres going to be a black ops bs, so chances are its not going to be dependant on a ship skill for a ship type that has no relation to it. Most likely it will require specialisation lvl 5 ie HAC 5 or RECON 5
Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
|
45thtiger011
Gallente The Perfect Storm
|
Posted - 2007.09.20 05:58:00 -
[16]
although the T2 BSs should be VERY nice, i think BC V is a better idea, mainly because when the T2 BSs come out they're going to be VERY overpriced (anyone remember when the teir 3 BSs come out?)... by the same score i think that the smaller T2 ships will probably take a big hit in price...
|
Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
|
Posted - 2007.09.20 10:25:00 -
[17]
Originally by: 45thtiger011 although the T2 BSs should be VERY nice, i think BC V is a better idea, mainly because when the T2 BSs come out they're going to be VERY overpriced (anyone remember when the teir 3 BSs come out?)... by the same score i think that the smaller T2 ships will probably take a big hit in price...
To make isk back on the T2 BS inventors would be fools not to overprice BS on immediate release - if inventors don't then I bet my left ball that traders will scoop them up, ship them to Jita and inflate the price. Hell, they may do it even with inflated prices and inflate them even more, happened when I started Drake production at 60M each, 10 min later they were being bought at 80 in my station after spome bugger bought my stock
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
Post with your alt.
|
Ryuga VonRhaiden
Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.
|
Posted - 2007.09.21 11:33:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Peanut Swsh well seeing as certain command ships required heavy assault ships to lvl 4, it wouldn't be suprising to see that some of the new t2 BS's might require command ships to lvl4.
it is an incorrect assumption... there are 3 main ship types: frigate, cruiser, battleship. BCs are an improved version of cruisers as Destroyers are of frigates. so BCs (both T1 and T2) require some cruiser skills, as Destroyers require some frigate skills. But no cruiser requires Destroyer skills, so no BS should ever require BC skills... :)
Do not try and find the signature... that's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth... There is no signature. |
Luke Pubcrawler
|
Posted - 2007.09.21 11:59:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Ryuga VonRhaiden
Originally by: Peanut Swsh well seeing as certain command ships required heavy assault ships to lvl 4, it wouldn't be suprising to see that some of the new t2 BS's might require command ships to lvl4.
it is an incorrect assumption... there are 3 main ship types: frigate, cruiser, battleship. BCs are an improved version of cruisers as Destroyers are of frigates. so BCs (both T1 and T2) require some cruiser skills, as Destroyers require some frigate skills. But no cruiser requires Destroyer skills, so no BS should ever require BC skills... :)
I agree with your logic and you are probably correct. However as it stands we do not know for sure the skill requirements for the new BS. Learning BS5 now on the assumtion that will let you fly these ships when they launch is still a gamble.
BC5 (provided you meet the prerequisites) will get you to command ships. In turn command ships might be needed for the BS (like you I doubt it but it is a possibibilty).
From a skills perspective BC5 is the safer bet with a guarenteed immediate payoff.
|
Mr Li
Suicidal Mercenaries
|
Posted - 2007.09.22 17:01:00 -
[20]
it all depends on your current skills. Unless you plan on flying cap ships (which, btw would mean about a billion more isk in skills and then another ~billion for a carrier, ~2 billion for dread...but i digress) then the only good thing about BS 5 is whatever satisfaction you get for being that patient/ getting the most out of your set up. BC 5 allows for command ships, but there are still prereqs like leadership 5 and warfare link specialist etc, no big deal really. The cool thing with BC 5, as mentioned previously, is that BC covers all races for CS, as long as you have racial cruiser trained to 5, and if you can fly HACS already then you can already use the weapons and other mods.
|
|
Washell Olivaw
|
Posted - 2007.09.23 03:14:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Luke Pubcrawler However as it stands we do not know for sure the skill requirements for the new BS. Learning BS5 now on the assumtion that will let you fly these ships when they launch is still a gamble.
T2 frigates: racial frigate V T2 destroyers: destroyer V T2 cruisers: racial cruiser V T2 battlecruisers: battlecruiser V T2 battleships: racial battleship V?
This isn't a gamble, this a certainty. Anyone would bet massively on these odds.
But it's also a certainty that for the first couple of months these things are going to be ridicously overpriced and we don't know yet how they will perform, so BC V thus have a much clearer and more immediate return on investment.
Quote: Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
|
45thtiger011
Gallente The Perfect Storm
|
Posted - 2007.09.24 06:55:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: Luke Pubcrawler However as it stands we do not know for sure the skill requirements for the new BS. Learning BS5 now on the assumtion that will let you fly these ships when they launch is still a gamble.
T2 frigates: racial frigate V T2 destroyers: destroyer V + Racial Frigate V T2 cruisers: racial cruiser V T2 battlecruisers: battlecruiser V + Racial Cruiser V T2 battleships: racial battleship V?
This isn't a gamble, this a certainty. Anyone would bet massively on these odds.
But it's also a certainty that for the first couple of months these things are going to be ridicously overpriced and we don't know yet how they will perform, so BC V thus have a much clearer and more immediate return on investment.
sorry, just felt that should be adjusted... it is possible that one of the T2 BSs will need command ships IV, but only if the role of that ship is an extension of command ships...
for example, the interdiction cruiser mentioned probably wont need Destroyers V or Frigate V, but i expect it WILL need interdictors IV...
|
Master Han
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
|
Posted - 2007.09.25 05:14:00 -
[23]
Edited by: Master Han on 25/09/2007 05:14:03 For the Black Ops ship I am guessing from the blog description I will need Racial BS 5, Recon 4, and possibly, Jump Portal Operation, although I hope not due to the pre-reqs (22 days of training for me not counting the horrible Jump Drive Operation to 5) for that skill.
I do not think the 'Violator' class will require the HAC path due to them becoming the Uber-mission ships, although BS size Logistics ships or Fleet Command ships minus the resists would be nice.
|
Ruciza
|
Posted - 2007.09.25 12:17:00 -
[24]
I would recommend to wait until the new battleships come out before skilling BS V, if your plan was to skill for CS anyway. Then you can decide what you want, and which one of them you want, since you can chose from eight different ships. The new ships will have come down in cost hopefully by the time you complete BS V and any other prerequisites (like being able to dish out the billion isk or so they could still cost).
|
Shaemell Buttleson
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
|
Posted - 2007.09.26 01:48:00 -
[25]
Train both to level 5. I doubt you are going to just stick to 1 type of ship exclusively.
*snip* Do not use your signature to troll or insult other EVE players even if the little dweebs deserve it! -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) |
Mona X
Caldari C0VEN
|
Posted - 2007.09.26 10:21:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Luke Pubcrawler
Training Amarr or Minmatar BS5 would take around 30 days and gain me 2 new t2 BS.
4.
|
000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders
|
Posted - 2007.09.26 11:22:00 -
[27]
BOTH!!!
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
|
Sir Bart
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
|
Posted - 2007.09.27 02:34:00 -
[28]
Depends on what you do. If you were a member of my alliance, I would say BS 5 since I'm sick of all the damn command ships that are weaker than battleships.
Smaller ships are fun in small gangs and stuff but for NPCing or large scale pvp, battleships are stronger. In small gangs Battleships are still stronger than command ships but they align slower and lock slower so command can outperform them.
-Bart
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |