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anwaut
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Posted - 2007.10.26 13:08:00 -
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My account was stolen, and i couldn't get my password back. Please send my password to my original email. My accounts are ygz0008, and zy0009. Thank you very much
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.27 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Baxalusx My sense of smug superiority continues to grow as GTC prices go ever higher.
They haven't gotten any higher. I and other resellers were reselling them for 190-210 and 410-420 in august and september and these were average or slightly above average prices, not high prices as resellers cannot afford to sell too high. Right now there are plenty of posts for 180-220 and 400-450. Not only this but prices have been in constant rise since spring when I started trading in codes. Back then it was easy to buy at 150 and 350, then prices changed to 160 and 360, then 170 and 370 and so on. Resellers were allowed to trade in codes back then and prices were rising. I know this because I have been continuously buying and selling codes since spring and was in touch with another reseller who finally quit this business in August. Both of us noticed this same trend of gradually rising GTC prices. When reselling was made against the rules, there has been no drastic spike to 250 and 500 like some predicted. Prices do fluctuate more as there is no one there to even out the supply/demand between the different time zones. Overall prices have either kept same or increased a tiny little bit, which could be attributed to same cause that made them to rise since spring of this year from 150 and 350 to 200 and 400 mil per code at the end of summer.
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BlkRaven
Gallente WOLFPACK DELTA
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Posted - 2007.11.01 23:15:00 -
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The way it is...
Resellers, there are only two official resellers.
1. Official CCP authorized reseller, they buy bulk GTC's from CCP and sell them for real life money. 2. Official resellers, people that fall in to the below. a. people that dont know how to make isk ingame, and buy GTC's from ccp authorized resellers and resel for isk. b. people that know how to make isk ingame but sometimes need a big isk flow for certain projects (titan for their alliance, new outpost that need to be their asap etc)
Then there were the unofficial resellers (re-resellers), these were people that had a lot of isk on their hands (alliance executor corp ceo's?) they buyed bulk from the official resellers at lower cost then they would have gone for on the forums. they were put on the market for a slight margen, and under the original sell price of the original seller... Prices dropped as the official resellers now had to compete with their buyers(re-resellers) and their real competitors.
U can see why the latter was a bad thing, it screws the market up and its unfair for the persons that legitimatly bought GTC's for real life money... The low prices would not have continued anyway (secure system or not), because the legit resellers are the place the re-resellers have to get their codes.
And the legit resellers (like me) would have just stopped selling in bulk after they noticed whats going on... This is why prices are going up again from 120-150m for a 30d code to 200+m. ...everything is worth what the purchaser will pay for it...
Now for ingame system where people can buy GTC for isk directly from ccp, this would simply not happen. WHY? Because it would not be kind to their resellers, to say the least.
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Loose End
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Posted - 2007.11.03 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zantrei Kordisin
Originally by: Amber Leonne ... No, we'll be back at square one when the GTC system came, resellers stood back for a week and the GTC market fell apart with prices soaring higher than the averages that're currently available. This time there won't be any enterprising "resellers" coming to save the day and reset market stability by providing a constant floor and ceiling to prices. Nope, sorry folks, anyone's who've ever wanted this all to happen will now have to reap the rewards of rampant price gouging based on on-sight supply and demand with no one providing a measure of stability other than perhaps a name or two who's cached hundreds of GTCs to exploit such economic foulups and CCP blunders.
It sounds like you got owned.
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Fed Alex
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.11.13 20:35:00 -
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roger that!
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kenna holcolm
Minmatar Roid-Raiders Anti-Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.14 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: kenna holcolm
Originally by: Amber Leonne
Originally by: Brraiinnnssss This is wonderful news. I remember petitioning this not long ago because the resellers are trying to buy up all the gtcs to fix the prices on the market. I have to say way to go CCP! You took care of that issue pretty quickly after it came up.
There really isn't any reason to trade GTCs outside of the secure system, and by not allowing it CCP gets to save a lot of resources dealing with banning scammers on that end and we don't have to deal with characters like Amber Leonne, or the isk to cash conversion outfits. I once heard someone had 800 30 day gtcs- Why should anyone ever have that many?
Ironic username for one that doesn't use one... Resellers buy GTCs, thus it's completely illogical to pass accusations that it's in their interest to raise prices lmao. *Whallops with duh Clue-By-Four* The only people who benefit from higher prices are those whom buy the GTCs in the first place, it's resellers that forge the relationships with steady clients and conduct negotiations that lower their prices.
ok personally this erks me. specially with the amber sit, i have done business with amber several times, and have had no problem with her. if people are willing to pay more to buy from her that is thier choice. i just liked being able to get rid of my gtc's fast. now that its gonna tale me about a month to move 20gtc's i dont think ill ever buy another one..
thanks CCP for ruining a good thing
i just want to point out the GTC costs :) maybe now people will listen to me. CCP was making more before because there were selling more gtc's, AKA moremoney for them. loce stupid business people.
DOWN WITH THE YARRRRR!!!
Defending Molden Heath So You Dont Have To!!!!! Recruiting all type of NON-PIRATE Corps and Players |
LooneyBandit
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Posted - 2007.11.30 09:57:00 -
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How long can you keep a GTC before it 'expires'? or is there no expiry date?
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Squidgey
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Posted - 2008.02.13 23:37:00 -
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Let me be the first to say that resellers = smarter than everyone else. Get over it. Im not a reseller, hell, i have yet to make over 15 misk in game yet, but aint capitalism grand?
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.14 23:08:00 -
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Update your documentation at https://secure.eve-online.com/SecSellEtcFaq.aspx it is misleading your customers - - -
Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
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Lee Thrace
Red. Red Republic
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Posted - 2008.03.08 08:40:00 -
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Edited by: Lee Thrace on 08/03/2008 08:46:02 aye CCP! update your official documents!
as posted above here in this link: https://secure.eve-online.com/SecSellEtcFaq.aspx
the text
What if I trade a code through e-mail, or other sources, and don't get my ISK? The Secure Time Code Exchange is the only supported method of trading EVE Time Codes for ISK. Any other methods of trading Time Codes are done at your own risk. The EVE Customer Support will not investigate such claims and petitions regarding such trades may be closed.
the tex above doesnt make it clear at all that gtc selling via an unsecure way is illegal. you might want to reimburse that guy in the link in the above post aswell!
and no, forums are no official documentation of game rules. right? i mean, no one is obligated to read the forums before playing the game...
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Blooden Guts
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Posted - 2008.03.09 02:05:00 -
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Whether a reseller is buying GTC with ISK to sell on ebay to a player that then buys it to extend their account, or the player buys it directly from another player for isk is immaterial. Either way the GTC was purchased from CCP, and will ultimately be used for the purpose of extending an account. Whether that GTC is purchased directly with cash from CCP, or indirectly through a reseller, it ultimately had to be purchased from CCP. So the fact that the resellers are making money selling isk is not a financial decision per se. It is a game balance issue. The resellers run huge fleets that vacuum whole systems clean and enforce dominance over 0.0 restricting legitimate players from accessing important aspects of the game, which ultimately frustrates the legitimate players who then leave the game. This can only lead to fewer players adn a less rich overall game experience adn logn term reduction of profits for CCP. The number one cause of player departureis frustration at exclusion from higher aspects fo teh game. Eve is particularly susceptabel to this problem since it is physically impossible for a new player to ever catch up to those of use who have been playing for years regardless fo how many ISK they have. If CCP allows the resellers to compound this problem by denyig players access to most fo the game then it ultimately results in loss of profits for CCP. GTC prices are not a good gauge of player interest, since if there are 5000 GTC available to 5000 players or there are 5 GTC available to 5 players, the price will tend towards the same point. CCP however would not agree that 5 players are better than 5000.
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Sanpaku Deska
flaming logistics Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:54:00 -
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Please excuse what must be a truly dumb question, but I read the thread and I don't see an answer... sooo:
If I read Nova's post correctly, it only addresses the actual transacting of the GTC itself. You can call your buddies up and offer to sell them GTC's at whatever ISK price, as long as it goes through the CCP secured process. You can buy 50 GTC's at Best Buy (or wherever they're sold), box them and and send them to your friends. You can even copy the codes down and email them to someone (this last is a given -- how would one enforce otherwise?). The only think that changed is you have to actually move the GTC to the final source through CCP Secured instead of EVEmail, and that GTC is applied instantly.
Did I get this right? And if so, why is this a problem?
Thanks in advance for the education.
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Sarahs Sister
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Posted - 2008.03.20 23:35:00 -
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wow well im glad this has happend we just need to get a fix on the price now lol...
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Slackiekommando
Gallente The Perfect Storm The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:54:00 -
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A quick NOTE:
Quote: changes coming for etc's and game time cards reported by CCP Wrangler | 2008.05.22 13:57:19 To simplify the ETC reseller program and attune our product offerings with industry standards, CCP will introduce new 60-day EVE Time Codes (ETC) and Game Time Cards (GTC) for $34.99 USD. These will replace the 30- and 90-day cards that were previously available through authorized resellers and the 50- and 100-day cards sold in the EVE Store. This will affect both online ETC's and Game Time Cards sold in the EVE Online Store. Orders may still be placed for time cards of all increments while supplies last or until the changeover to the new 60-day cards goes into effect on June 15, 2008. This change will not affect other payment options such as credit cards etc.
So now i buy a GTC for 90 for 38.99 and with the new GTC system i will save 4 dollars and loose 30 days?
What gives?
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Ashiin
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Posted - 2008.05.27 18:10:00 -
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By "outside our secure ETC trading system", does that mean I cannot buy a game card anywhere else but www.eve-online.com to trade for ISK. I didn't want to wait for an actual card to be mail to me internationally. I was wondering if I could purchase a game card from an authorized reseller in my local area to put up for ISK trade on these forums.
Can someone clarify for me please. This is my first time purchasing a game card and I want to go about it correctly.
Thanks Ashiin
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Tenebrion Darkness
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.05.28 10:35:00 -
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Buy the card at your local place, sell it on the forums in the appropriate section. When it sells, you'll go to My Account, account settings, sell time card, input the info and than throw the card away.
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Tao Qua
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Posted - 2008.05.30 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Slackiekommando A quick NOTE:
Quote: changes coming for etc's and game time cards reported by CCP Wrangler | 2008.05.22 13:57:19 To simplify the ETC reseller program and attune our product offerings with industry standards, CCP will introduce new 60-day EVE Time Codes (ETC) and Game Time Cards (GTC) for $34.99 USD. These will replace the 30- and 90-day cards that were previously available through authorized resellers and the 50- and 100-day cards sold in the EVE Store. This will affect both online ETC's and Game Time Cards sold in the EVE Online Store. Orders may still be placed for time cards of all increments while supplies last or until the changeover to the new 60-day cards goes into effect on June 15, 2008. This change will not affect other payment options such as credit cards etc.
So now i buy a GTC for 90 for 38.99 and with the new GTC system i will save 4 dollars and loose 30 days?
What gives?
Yea thats BS. Can't wait for SGW.
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Fat Edd
The Nutterz Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.05 18:26:00 -
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So what do you do when you purchase a GTC, and the code is invalid?. I purchased one earlier for my other account, and it doesent work?.
Any ideas, because battleclinic where i purchased the GTC from are as slow as a dead man to reply to this complaint?
Cheers
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Axan
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Posted - 2008.06.08 15:32:00 -
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Quote: changes coming for etc's and game time cards reported by CCP Wrangler | 2008.05.22 13:57:19 To simplify the ETC reseller program and attune our product offerings with industry standards, CCP will introduce new 60-day EVE Time Codes (ETC) and Game Time Cards (GTC) for $34.99 USD. These will replace the 30- and 90-day cards that were previously available through authorized resellers and the 50- and 100-day cards sold in the EVE Store. This will affect both online ETC's and Game Time Cards sold in the EVE Online Store. Orders may still be placed for time cards of all increments while supplies last or until the changeover to the new 60-day cards goes into effect on June 15, 2008. This change will not affect other payment options such as credit cards etc.
Dear GMs or CCP Staff,
please let us know for how long the old 90d ETCs will remain valid after the June 15, 2008. Will you still be able to sell/bye a 90 day ETC here on forums, assuming the fact that the original ETC was purchased before June 15, 2008.
For example, I still own a valid 90d ETC. Will I be able to either sell it via Eve's secure ETC selling system or apply it directly to my character after June 15, 2008? It's all so confusing...
Please enlighten us!
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Calderon Jones
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Posted - 2008.06.19 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Axan
Dear GMs or CCP Staff,
please let us know for how long the old 90d ETCs will remain valid after the June 15, 2008. Will you still be able to sell/bye a 90 day ETC here on forums, assuming the fact that the original ETC was purchased before June 15, 2008.
For example, I still own a valid 90d ETC. Will I be able to either sell it via Eve's secure ETC selling system or apply it directly to my character after June 15, 2008? It's all so confusing...
Please enlighten us!
This needs a bump. I have several old ETC's I haven't used/sold. How long will they remain valid?
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Nick Bison
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Posted - 2008.06.20 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Nick Bison on 20/06/2008 17:11:25 I believe this is a critical question and it is really two-fold. 1. Do existing 90 day GTCs purchased before 15 June 2008 have an exparation date? 2. Are 90 day GTCs purchased from a reseller after 15 June 2008 still valid, and if yes, for how long?
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Charles C
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Posted - 2008.06.21 03:46:00 -
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Afaik, the codes will continue to be good for as long as you have them.
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Xantilia
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Posted - 2008.06.23 00:13:00 -
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WHAT??? so I have to pay more for less!! I always buy the 90day GTCs for my 3 accounts, but recently things aren't going well with all the FW.... ppl leaving corp to do that..... getting very quiet in my other accounts corp... was considering moving it all to one account, but now I may as well just stop playing for a month or two....who knows... maybe I won't miss $102 every 60days and leave EvE altogether!! Jeeze, that was a huge tactical mistake, CCP .... |
Mr Stark
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Posted - 2008.06.26 10:31:00 -
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Whats going on? since the 60 day gtc's came in a gtc is 350 mill or more... I used to buy 90 days for around 350 mill, I run 2 accounts on GTC's but at this rate it is unviable, I will lose a month for the same price.
Maybe I will just drop the 2 extra accounts and just run my original 1. This was a real bad move CCP it is false economy.
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CPT GUPPY
Caldari Asgard Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.26 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: CPT GUPPY on 26/06/2008 12:58:55 why the hell are the new 60 day codes going for more then the 90 day codes did, CCP this is really lame because the time code system was not broken to begin with, if you wanted to get more money for the time codes don't screw us out of play time just raise the price by a dollar or two and then you get your extra money with out screwing over your players again!! or maybe make the new time code price fall in line with the old ones you know like you balance the game so a 60 day code should be like 25 or something around that.
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Rino Mei
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Posted - 2008.06.26 16:45:00 -
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can some tell me how the hell to put the isk in the PROPER FORMAT FFS i tried every thing i could think of
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Trader Katie
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Posted - 2008.06.28 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: Trader Katie on 28/06/2008 06:21:42 Edited by: Trader Katie on 28/06/2008 01:00:42 Mr. Stark The price of the gtc has gone up for several reasons.
First the cost of buying the gtc has gone up to 35 dollars for a 60 day gtc.
Second not as many players are buying the gtc to sell. That is the way supply and demand works. Right now it is a sellers market and not a buyers market.null
In the past the 90 day gtc sold for alot less than they where worth and now sellers are getting a decent price for there gtc you are getting mad.
Also i think it would be a great idea for you to drop your 2 extra accounts it would help reduce the lag.
CPT GUPPY you are right the gtc time code system was not broken before and it is not broken now.
First if ccp just raised the price the price of the 30 and 90 gtc i guess you think you should just be able to buy the gtc for the same isk as you paid before that is not a solution to the problem that gtc sellers where not getting a fair price for there 90 day gtc.
In closing I am not happy about paying more for my gtc but, I am glad to see that players are getting a fair price for there gtc.
let me quote Hellena Brant like everything ealse in the EVE universe the Market is player drive and fluctuates up and down.
I posted the link Where Hellena Brant made that statemaent
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Mr Stark and CPT GUPPY one solution if you want to see prices drop for gtc is that you each buy 10 gtc for 35 dollars from shattercrystals or battleclinic and then sell them for 275 mill each. You see prices drop when they are more sellers than buyers.
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Juan Chance
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Posted - 2008.06.30 21:12:00 -
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or just use option 2 a buy 90 days for $39 with same credit card on your account and put gtc out of business
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Juan Chance
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Posted - 2008.06.30 21:19:00 -
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by boycotting the GTC's both prices will go down and then it will be a buyers market and the people raising the prices will have to bring them down as I see it there are already more sellers than buyers so if people either set there accounts for a month or paid 39 dollars for the 90 day a couple of times there would be a change in market price
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Trader Katie
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Posted - 2008.07.01 04:02:00 -
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If you are seeing more sellers than buyers then you need to get your eyes checked.
Also if you read my post I said that when you do see more sellers than buyers prices will drop and if enough players quit playing the game they will have to revaulate there decesion about the price increase.
I see more threads about gtc buying complaints than I do about the ones that sell gtc's. How many post have you read about sellers not getting a fair price for the 90 gtc's I never saw myself. when sellers have to pay more isk for a gtc everyone comes out from under there rock to complains about paying more isk for less. Ask yourself a question if the 60 day gtc where selling for 250 mill isk would you still complain? Keep in mind that isk has no real value outside the game.
My biggest complaint is that ccp did not send out emails about the price increase after all I pay to play the game not read forums. They should have been more up front about the increase.
I asked this question in another thread How many mmo's allow paying for game time with ingame money. I always thought it was great of ccp to allow this option in the first place.
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