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cinderbrood
Caldari An Tir Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2007.09.20 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: cinderbrood But we have all got to start somewhere and i have no way to gain a reputation without a start. i could just ask a few close friends and gain investment that way. that still neglects my lack of public reputation front in not getting me anywhere closer. Thus why I'm asking the public.
There are several logical fallacies in this position. Firstly being: Why do you have to run an ipo to start your reputation? Most of us here, who are considered ipo "reliables", did not earn our reputations running ipo's... we only solidified them. Too many people are grabbing for the brass ring without bothering to get on the actual merry-go-round to start with. I would say, go get those private investors!!! Those will be people who will spread good word about you enabling you to reach further and further. Each of the successful ipo's you see usually start with testimonials from previous private investors. Preferably people of good stature themselves but not always so. Hate to be harsh but I'd have to mark your ipo with "scam" as my recomendation. No one worth a damn in Eve has no reputation of any kind. You may not have a reknowned financial public history but you have either have some history, of any kind, or you have nothing. And should get nothing.
i do have A history but nothing relevant and pertaining to this ipo. And i would considering private investors. id rather it came from outside my corp / allience as that wouldnt hold much sted later on as i couldve easily just asked them to vouch for me as i could've been doing all along now.
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cinderbrood
Caldari An Tir Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2007.09.20 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle Assuming you can pull in the other 1.5 billion, I'll invest 500 mil in this just because I like the way you've answered the questions so far.
thanks the shares will come out of vote in 12 hours then its just a case of gaining the other investors :) i wont be accepting any money or handing out any shares till the two billion is reached.
If it fails the 2 billion point ill be considering smaller and other invesment types.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.09.20 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: cinderbrood i do have A history but nothing relevant and pertaining to this ipo.
A smart person leverages all available means to accomplish their goals. You have a history... bring it forth good man, bring it forth. I want to know who I'm putting my faith in and nothing is more faith driven than my isk. I don't care which side of any wars you have been on or the politics you have been in. I do care about your ethics, first, and then your competency level. I want to know where you've been and what you've done so I can then either hear from others you know what they think of you or I can snoop around on my own finding out the same things. Social engineering is not just lying to get ahead though that seems to be the most common usage of it. It'll also helps us to find out if you are a sold character or not as well. (Which will also give us some idea of how attached you are to your character.) In closing, there is more to this gaining of trust than to have a few people who suddenly gamble once or twice on you. Trust is something built upon a foundation and nurtured. What have you built and can we see some of it without having to pay an admission fee?
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Tailhook
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.20 18:46:00 -
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You may sign me up for another 500mill, I have some idle cash floating around anyways
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cinderbrood
Caldari An Tir Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2007.09.20 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
I want to know where you've been and what you've done so I can then either hear from others you know what they think of you or I can snoop around on my own finding out the same things. Social engineering is not just lying to get ahead though that seems to be the most common usage of it.
where ive been. i started life as a miner in a small known corp called x team where i was taken in by some freinds my time there was spent learning about the game. i then left this corp to pursue a few other options including manufacture trade and building. untill eventually becoming a pos runner for brex a cap ship building corp after a few months of doing this i decided wanted to visit the Yarr side of eve and met up with a pirate corp under the name of Rat Pack and had a few good months shooting any one insite.
Brex Shut down and a few of the members headed out to providence. After a major war they fell back to empire and i rejoined up with them we are Now back out in providence and happily being so.
During this time ive accomplished many things.
Ive ran research labs ive resold bpo's i've done small volume faction trading,mining, manufacturing, Pirating, PvP, Large Volume Mineral and other good trading Ive even made a profit with Module Invention .
Ive had experience in alot of the fields of business in eve.
Originally by: Shar Tegral
It'll also helps us to find out if you are a sold character or not as well. (Which will also give us some idea of how attached you are to your character.)
After spending alot of time in this character theres no way in hell id like to get rid of it. one of my alts was bought with isk. Gained using this character.
Originally by: Shar Tegral
In closing, there is more to this gaining of trust than to have a few people who suddenly gamble once or twice on you. Trust is something built upon a foundation and nurtured. What have you built and can we see some of it without having to pay an admission fee?
Agreed . But we all gotta start somewhere right ?. And who knows maby after this ipo is gone i could end up as a partnership or other with one of the investors or aquintance's met during it.
So i guess my point is. Yes i could be a scammer. Yes this could be a massive con. But hey who's to say chribba wont suddenly turn out and scam everyone or DS or even you. Now Granted i dont think Any of those i listed would ever do such a thing. But reality is no one know's. We all Start gaining public attention somewhere. And this is where i hope to start. Ive asked a few freinds to sign this and vouch for me. and will be asking more to do so soon.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.09.20 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: cinderbrood Yes i could be a scammer. Yes this could be a massive con. But hey who's to say chribba wont suddenly turn out and scam everyone or DS or even you.
Mind you the fact that I could be a scammer is something I often point out to people. Of course it'd be nice if you have some old mates come and speak up for you. Even still, put me down for 200M. (Liquid Isk challenged atm )
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cinderbrood
Caldari An Tir Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2007.09.20 19:09:00 -
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Thanks. 800 Million to go and less than 12 hours for the shares to come out of vote.
Ill be accepting payment's to Tivern Maniva Once the 800 million is accounted for. and issuing shares as soon as payment has been received.
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Kitex
Blacktag Test Labs
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Posted - 2007.09.20 19:09:00 -
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Barring any new terrifying revelations coming out of this thread before you're actually ready to sell shares, I'll throw my hat in the ring for 500m.
Sure, there's risk. But I've got a good feeling about you.
Sounds like you're very close to your 2b already. Please contact me in game when you're ready to sell shares.
Blacktag - Buy ships / Fittings / Drones / Ammo in BULK with Delivery! |
cinderbrood
Caldari An Tir Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2007.09.20 19:11:00 -
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again thank you its only 300 million to go now :) and eve mails will be sent out to all regardless. Although all shares will remain in the corp until the vote completes.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.09.20 19:22:00 -
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Best of luck to you.
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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cinderbrood
Caldari An Tir Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2007.09.20 19:24:00 -
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thankyou :)
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cinderbrood
Caldari An Tir Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2007.09.20 19:48:00 -
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SOLD OUT - THANKS FOR THE INTREST
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Tivern Maniva
Trust Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.20 20:08:00 -
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All investors should have received an eve mail reguarding payments. Please Make them at your earliest convenience.
All Further communications via eve mail or convo to Tivern.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.09.20 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tivern Maniva All investors should have received an eve mail reguarding payments. Please Make them at your earliest convenience.
Sorry to have to retract my position. In the hours since I've made this post a few eve mails have come to me that have left me with strong doubts about your background. I tried contacting people that I could find in your employment background and ... well ... no one had anything good to say about you. In fact, no one remembered you very much at all. That in itself is, when paired with your constant corp hopping, a very troubling indicator so... sadly I must exercise some caution and retract my intention.
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Kitex
Blacktag Test Labs
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Posted - 2007.09.20 23:27:00 -
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My isk is already sent, so that ship has already sailed for me. I'd like a little clarification though: Did no one have anything good to say because they didn't remember him, or did people actually have something bad to say. There is a huge difference in my book, and given the tendency of those who read this forum to assume the worst, you may be doing cinderbrood a big disservice in not being more clear on this point.
I have no problem doing business with a quiet guy who doesn't get noticed. If you've dug up some dirt, well, thats different. But too late for me regardless
Blacktag - Buy ships / Fittings / Drones / Ammo in BULK with Delivery! |
Tivern Maniva
Trust Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.21 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: Tivern Maniva on 21/09/2007 00:07:07 On that respect ive just had an old freind offer to leave 2 billion isk with A trusted 3rd Party . Incase of a worst come first served investors wouldnt be loosing anything. And could only gain if i actually payed on on the Intrest. At first i had turned him down thinking that the funding was secured. Ill Have to Ask him again if hes still willing to do this and if so ill get it sorted and confirmed.
On another note with the money i have received 112 million has already been invested and sell orders have been set up. if those sell for there current price the ipo will already be up 27 million isk. Not alot but then ago ive only been in business a few hours.
The freighter will be purchased in 3 days. Or when i find a replacement Investor for Shar. Which Ever comes first.
Thanks
EDIT: Also Altho i respect its your choice to withdraw at this point. An eve mail confirming so would've been most welcome. Its only by chance i happened to think about checking the topic before going ahead and purchasing the freighter now that i noticed ;)
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Tivern Maniva
Trust Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.21 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Tivern Maniva on 21/09/2007 00:12:28
Originally by: Kitex My isk is already sent, so that ship has already sailed for me. I'd like a little clarification though: Did no one have anything good to say because they didn't remember him, or did people actually have something bad to say. There is a huge difference in my book, and given the tendency of those who read this forum to assume the worst, you may be doing cinderbrood a big disservice in not being more clear on this point.
I have no problem doing business with a quiet guy who doesn't get noticed. If you've dug up some dirt, well, thats different. But too late for me regardless
Kitex, Your Isk is still Sitting in my Corp Wallet uninvested in anything. If u really do have concerns and would like to talk about removing your investment please drop me an eve mail and we shall sort out you being refunded and me finding a new investor . Thanks
If your isk had already been invested it wouldve been a diffrent matter ( Giving me a few days to sell off the investment and turn it back into isk. ) But as it currently stands ill halt all further investments and work untill this issue has ben cleared.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.09.21 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kitex I'd like a little clarification though
If I had found something directly damaging to the OP I would have disclosed such a thing without hesitation. There was no such thing. I would've also communicated this via eve mail but I was not, am not, at my eve machine. I'm not saying this person is untrustworthy. This venture was clearly risky. Anyone who invested in this should accept that. In fact I feel a bit lousy that I'm backing out as I might just be slandering someone unfairly. (An error I've made in the past and dread doing so again.) So, toss the dice, win/lose to be determined.
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Tivern Maniva
Trust Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.21 00:18:00 -
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Shar. Ive just sent you an eve mail Could u get back to me as soon as u find the time ^_^ Thanks
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Tivern Maniva
Trust Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.21 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
I would've also communicated this via eve mail but I was not, am not, at my eve machine.
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You might want to save on the electricity bill and log out before going to work / where ever ^^ i was wondering why the lack of conversation reply :P
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Tivern Maniva
Trust Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.21 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: Tivern Maniva on 21/09/2007 00:22:32 Well Folks Looks like im looking for another 200 mill invesment ( possible more depends on the response of kitex as his isk is currently in limbo.)
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive Animal.
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Posted - 2007.09.21 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: cinderbrood People sell named loot for alot lower prices via buy orders than u would imagine. Some mods up to 10% of empire price ie a 90% profit.
No they don't. Nothing to see here.
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Kitex
Blacktag Test Labs
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Posted - 2007.09.21 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tivern Maniva Kitex, Your Isk is still Sitting in my Corp Wallet uninvested in anything. If u really do have concerns and would like to talk about removing your investment please drop me an eve mail and we shall sort out you being refunded and me finding a new investor . Thanks
If your isk had already been invested it wouldve been a diffrent matter ( Giving me a few days to sell off the investment and turn it back into isk. ) But as it currently stands ill halt all further investments and work untill this issue has ben cleared.
No, I didn't mean to imply that. As soon as I sent you the isk, I accepted that it was yours to hold and use in trust. Spend it, and make it multiply!
I was just digging for a little clarification on Shar's post. My level of confidence has not changed.
Blacktag - Buy ships / Fittings / Drones / Ammo in BULK with Delivery! |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.09.21 02:41:00 -
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I still intend to sell my 500 mil ISK as soon as I get a chance to log in. I am a very quiet trader myself, I only have chatted with a few people and lately I haven't really had time to talk to them much either unfortunately.
If something bad had come up that would be different... but I'll risk 500 mil since he is being good enough to offer the money back to Kitex.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz
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Posted - 2007.09.21 03:09:00 -
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The EBANK is buying remaining stock in this venture pending an announcement by Tivern
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Tivern Maniva
Trust Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.21 03:10:00 -
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Confirmed that EBANK will be purchasing the last 200 million as soon as an agreement has been reached it will be made public ( All i can say is its very good for the current investors ;) )
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Draven Nightblood
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.09.21 04:58:00 -
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I host this gentleman's website and have talked with him personally numerous times. Nothing from our conversations or any business relations have indicated that he is untrustworthy or unreliable. He is a stand up guy.
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Tivern Maniva
Trust Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.21 04:59:00 -
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NEWS BREAK - ALL INVESMENTS ARE NOW ACCOUNT FOR WITH SOME PAYMENTS TO STILL BE RECEIVED
This wasnt really needed but is added as an extra fall back for investors.
This ipo is now 100% safe for public investors.
Rawne Karrde Has Deposited 2 Billion isk into EBANK as a fall back for if i default on this ipo. Ie if i turn out to be a scammer. the Full investment costs are sitting secured. so for those public investors other than Rawne There is now 0 Risk involved.
They will be posting shortly to confirm.
Thanks for the Intrest all Cant wait for the first 30 day mark :)
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Rawne Karrde
Bre-X Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.21 05:03:00 -
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I am just posting to confirm what Cinderbrood has posted. Being his former CEO and having continued business relations with him, I've under written Cinderbroods IPO. 2 Bil isk has been entrusted to Ricdic to secure this IPO. If in the event he runs off with your money Ricdic will use the funds I've entrusted to him to repay the investors.
I have full confidence in his operation and would have funded it completely, however, he seems very intent on making a name for himself to which I'm more than happy to assist in.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz
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Posted - 2007.09.21 05:09:00 -
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Edited by: EBANK Ricdic on 21/09/2007 05:10:51
Confirming that I have recieved the 2 billion isk collateral towards this venture. I have spoken with Rawne and advised him that in the unlikely event of a scam his isk will be used to repay investors and not to repay Rawne.
Whilst there is definetly now an extra layer of security, obviously there is always the possibility of both EBANK and the OP scamming so 100% guarantee is probably not wise to give.
Having said that, investors can rest assured that I don't plan on going anywhere and your isk is safe.
Now, before people start wondering.
Tivern wants to build up credibility with his IPO and potentially provide more enhanced expansions or resubmissions in the future. This is why he has chosen to secure this IPO rather than just be personally funded via Rawne.
The design of this security is somewhat strange, as normally security is provided to promote the safety of the IPO. In this instance Tivern had almost all of the funds required (1.8b out of 2b) so didn't need the security, but chose to provide a method for it anyway. In my opinion this is a good sign of character so I hope to see some good things from him in the future.
Having said that, don't be surprised if EBANK just handles all of his new business plans internally in the future
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