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Grifanel Maeibae
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Posted - 2007.09.20 08:58:00 -
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hello
i am a new player just starting out and im look into production as an employment in EvE. but to do production i need money and i am poor with barely 2 millions i need someone to invest for me. what i am currently looking at is to start by making cruise missile.
a wrath cruise missile can be made for about 105 isks and sold for 125 isks at 20 isks profit a piece. with researched BPO it takes 4 minutes to make 100 missiles allowing me to make 36,000 missiles a day.
thats about 720,000 isks a day.
to do this i need to buy a BPO worth 35M. and i will break even in 49 days.
but i dont have 35M so maybe someone will help me out. i will split part of the profit about 20%.
thank you
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Tailhook
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.20 10:15:00 -
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ehm, if someone is charging you 35 mill for a 2.7 mill BPO, you are being scammed
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Grifanel Maeibae
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Posted - 2007.09.20 10:20:00 -
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researched BPO ME 30 PE 20
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Elena Lanfear
Crafty Productions
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Posted - 2007.09.20 10:26:00 -
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Ehm..
if i remember correct and the item database isnt wrong either, the price of a Cruise Missile BPO is 3,000,000.00 ISK. Thats 3 Millions, not 35 ;-). Even researched i doubt the price will climb that high.
For building 100 pieces you will need:
1680 Trit 130 Pyerite 15 Mex 2 Nocx 2 Zydrine
I dont have my Pricelist at work, but rough price guesses will be:
Trit 3.1 Pyerite 5.5 Mexallon 37 Nocxium 170 Zydrine 2000
Thats 10,818.00 ISK/Batch. If it takes 4 Minutes to produce a Batch you will end with Mineral Costs of 162,270.00 ISK/hour. Thats 3,894,480.00 ISK/day to BUILD your missiles.
In the end, you will need around 7-10 Million ISK to produce those Cruise Missiles, not 35 Millions. ;-)
A few options for you: - Fly a couple of missions (inkluding looting and salvaging and sell the items you get) or trade a bit to get the 7 Million ISK you need - Join a production corp, they will help you learning the ropes - Find somebody who is willing to help you out with the money. -Look at something cheaper to produce.
- Elena
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Grifanel Maeibae
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Posted - 2007.09.20 10:34:00 -
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how much should researched BPO be at?
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Robacz
Essence Trade Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.09.20 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Robacz on 20/09/2007 10:59:23
Check your evemail Grifanel Maeibae, there might be something useful waiting for you.
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Grifanel Maeibae
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Posted - 2007.09.20 12:50:00 -
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omg your such a nice person.
thank you so much your so wonderful!!!
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Richard Kitan
United Space Republic Research
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Posted - 2007.09.20 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Richard Kitan on 20/09/2007 13:13:14
Originally by: Grifanel Maeibae how much should researched BPO be at?
I don't know the exact numbers, but I'm sure you could buy the unresearched BPO, and pay a research corp to get it up to 30/20 for you for far less than 35m. I know some people around here run research corps where you can join the corp and use their labs, but then you need the research skills. There are other people that you can just hand the print off to, and they'll use their labs to research it for you. The last time I needed a service like that I used 'Goodlookin Gus' (hopefully I spelled that correctly). He has very quick turnaround, and is very trustworthy.
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Tailhook
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.20 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Grifanel Maeibae how much should researched BPO be at?
varies greatly, my flat out cost of doing research runs at 6350 for ME and 3350 for PE pr hour, I could lower that if I wanted to. Anyone providing this service would ofcourse require a profit on top.
You can often find an already researched BPO on contract, sometimes at less than NPC cost for a new one, in a month or two, you will probably have no more need of a wrath BPO, what would you sell it for then?
Also beware people charge utterly stupid ammounts for overresearch, the added benefit going from ME 10 to ME 30 on a wrath BPO is around 0.3% or 0.3 isk pr missile how much extra do you feel that is worth? taking the BPO to 100 ME would save you a furter 0.08 isk pr missile ......
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Grifanel Maeibae
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Posted - 2007.09.20 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tailhook
Originally by: Grifanel Maeibae how much should researched BPO be at?
varies greatly, my flat out cost of doing research runs at 6350 for ME and 3350 for PE pr hour, I could lower that if I wanted to. Anyone providing this service would ofcourse require a profit on top.
You can often find an already researched BPO on contract, sometimes at less than NPC cost for a new one, in a month or two, you will probably have no more need of a wrath BPO, what would you sell it for then?
Also beware people charge utterly stupid ammounts for overresearch, the added benefit going from ME 10 to ME 30 on a wrath BPO is around 0.3% or 0.3 isk pr missile how much extra do you feel that is worth? taking the BPO to 100 ME would save you a furter 0.08 isk pr missile ......
why would i no longer need the missile BPO in a month?
and dont you need those datacores for invention?
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Pang Grohl
Gallente Sudo Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Grifanel Maeibae
Originally by: Tailhook
Originally by: Grifanel Maeibae how much should researched BPO be at?
varies greatly, my flat out cost of doing research runs at 6350 for ME and 3350 for PE pr hour, I could lower that if I wanted to. Anyone providing this service would ofcourse require a profit on top.
You can often find an already researched BPO on contract, sometimes at less than NPC cost for a new one, in a month or two, you will probably have no more need of a wrath BPO, what would you sell it for then?
Also beware people charge utterly stupid ammounts for overresearch, the added benefit going from ME 10 to ME 30 on a wrath BPO is around 0.3% or 0.3 isk pr missile how much extra do you feel that is worth? taking the BPO to 100 ME would save you a furter 0.08 isk pr missile ......
why would i no longer need the missile BPO in a month?
and dont you need those datacores for invention?
At that production rate, a full month of building will probably net you more missiles than you can sell in any short order. One of the important calculations in production is figuring out how much more product the market you're selling to can absorb.
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Tailhook
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Grifanel Maeibae why would i no longer need the missile BPO in a month?
and dont you need those datacores for invention?
If you go into production for real, you will pretty soon value a production slot higher than 1 mill pr day. ammo/missiles is nice for starters, pretty low isk requirement to get a line going, and a nice percentage return on the investment.
But that is also its downfall, your move 4 mill in goods pr day, in a week or two you could start another similar line, and in a month or two you are maxed out, all slots running all the time.
The logical way to advance from there is to produce more expensive stuff, you may not earn your investment back in a week, but you will earn significantly more than 1 mill pr day pr factory slot.
Also Pang is partly right for many products, but ammo/missiles are able to absorb pretty huge ammounts in almost any trading hub outside Amarr
And I dont really understand where datacores comes into this
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cinderbrood
Caldari An Tir Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:41:00 -
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I think the op got confused with research and invention. Just to clarify thing's for him Ivention is the act of getting t1bpcs into t2 bpcs and costs tons to start up more in skills and a damn site more luck
research is the act of improving certain aspects of a bpo to make it more profitable and quicker to build costs alot less to do does'nt need as much capital
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.09.20 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Grifanel Maeibae to do this i need to buy a BPO worth 35M. and i will break even in 49 days.
You don't need the bpo, just someone willing to run you off copies. Give me a few days to get my head back in the game and I think I can run you off a number of full run bpc's with relative ease. We can discuss an isk value that you can repay at a later date thus making me more investor than just bpc clerk. (However for you bpc clerk is probably better)
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Galgorth
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Posted - 2007.09.20 19:56:00 -
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If you REALLY want to start making money, buy a 90 day GTC, sell it for 400 mil, and use that as a starting base of capital. Or go through a few painstaking weeks of mission-running to build up 400 mil and do it that way.
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Grifanel Maeibae
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Posted - 2007.09.21 00:50:00 -
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hi
robacz has given me a BPO and i would like to thank him for that.
thank you all for reading and giving me advice.
bye
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