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Fearless M0F0
Incursion PWNAGE Asc
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:22:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Okay. The hourly reward from HIGHSEC incursions should be no more than the average hourly reward doing level 4 missions.
You are forgetting LVL 4 missions can be done solo in a drake by a 1 month old character. Any incursion requires forming fleets with highly specialised pilots which take years to train.
You just CANNOT do incursions solo, you WILL NOT GET PAID if your fleet have less than a minimum number of pilots.
For all these reasons, incursion rewards MUST BE HIGHER than LVL 4, otherwise all these highly specialised pilots will go back to whatever they were doing solo before incursions. I know I would 
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Spineker
111
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:23:00 -
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Umega wrote:Spineker wrote:As if mining moon goo is more dangerous than incursions. The elite thing is so pathetic it would be funny if not for the hypocricy. Go do it. If you think moon goo mining isn't more dangerous than highsec Incursions.. go do it. What's stopping you? Perhaps the same reason that is stopping you from doing something in your favor ingame with Incursions? Lack of courage.. self confidence.. don't got a pair.. what's your reason?
How do you get a pair? Do you need to do 10 blob runs and some alliance gives you a pair? Or gangbang some lone shuttle at the 0.0 gate Pee v Pee on each other like dogs on a car tire?
How do you know what I do in this game? You don't. I don't run incursions either I just laugh at you Null Epeeners.
Maybe If I DC in a blob I will learn confidence? |
gfldex
281
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:28:00 -
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Umega wrote:How many coins are one-sided..
This one got 3. There are plenty of players who are forced out of a constellation they want to run missions in or do some mining. Doesn't look like they have a lobby here.
More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:28:00 -
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Jo Hei's comment make no sense to me. Seriously what's with this claim that Incursions are for new players? The tutorials must be ridiculous now if newbies are rolling out with Faction Battleships and T3s by the end of it. There's all sorts of other assumptions made as well, "New players need and want safe social interaction", and that "Incursions as designed are fun."
The players that want endless safe unhindered High Sec Incursions do not represent all new players, do not represent all High Sec players, and they don't represent any legitimate form of gaming that ought to be found in any Sandbox MMO built around player conflict. |
Jo Hei
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:36:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Jo Hei's comment make no sense to me. Seriously what's with this claim that Incursions are for new players? The tutorials must be ridiculous now if newbies are rolling out with Faction Battleships and T3s by the end of it. There's all sorts of other assumptions made as well, "New players need and want safe social interaction", and that "Incursions as designed are fun."
The players that want endless safe unhindered High Sec Incursions do not represent all new players, do not represent all High Sec players, and they don't represent any legitimate form of gaming that ought to be found in any Sandbox MMO built around player conflict.
Most newbies roll up to incursions in Maelstroms/Ravens/Rokhs/Abaddons. Not T3 and Faction BS.
Players dont want an "endless safe unhindered" experience. They want an experience. It has some risk involved; from who you fleet with to how (and what) you fly.
I for one think that this particular "Sandbox MMO built around player conflict" could really use more players to conflict with. That's why I support a game feature which allows new players to learn how to fly, how to make money, and how to deal with risk at an early stage. Eventually they will get down to PVP, one way or another. My advice to you? HTFU. |
Novinya
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:37:00 -
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I think people killing the mothership like this and ending the incursion 'early' is the perfect example of EVE's open ended sandbox nature where players can take matters into their own hands.
A lot of people were unhappy that the incursions were such ISK faucets, and they decided to do something about it and start closing them down promptly.
I don't see an issue.
You'll get your LP rewards faster, anyway. |
Brumi Viri
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:37:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Brumi Viri wrote:Ban one Player for the Good of the Game or loose more subscribers. 1 + 1 = 0 The word is LOSE. Not LOOSE. For f*ck's sake. To your comment though. Ban someone for what? Playing the game within the rules? Are you a secret fascist? I think you are.
thanks |
Traiori
Silverwing Explorers
Unfamiliar Presence
8
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:38:00 -
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So when my corporation has to put up with having every incursion in the game in our exploration space, Brick Squad will come and tidy them up within 24 hours?
Oh good.
It'll save us having to do without bounties and the like for the week or so they take to despawn out on a hisec island where no one every ventures.
We get kind of fed up of incursions tbth. We don't have 70-80 pilots in the entire region let alone 70-80 pilots willing to run incursions... |
Lysaeus
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
10
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:42:00 -
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No, if the incursion bears aren't running them, they'll probably be left alone. It's just the ones that they intend to farm for endless freshly printed isk that get closed down as intended. |
Brumi Viri
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:45:00 -
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NaturalBeast wrote:When I was a kid my dad always said play nice with the other kids. I tried, I really did.
But there was always that kid who wanted to ruin it for the other kids. Fortunately my dad was bigger than his.
I enjoyed my sandbox immensely.
Get a bigger dad :)
You probably live in a backward country where people can't own guns. |
Sicex
11
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:45:00 -
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Spineker wrote:As if mining moon goo is more dangerous than incursions. The elite thing is so pathetic it would be funny if not for the hypocricy.
Umega beat me to it using the exact words I would have... (repeating to hopefully make you understand what type of game this is and why we love it).
Go and moon mine! Those that do it easily didn't start by doing it easily. They fought for the territory, they trained their abilities, then they defend their territory.
Honestly, if Incursions are truly supposed to be end-game material... then by the time you are at the 'end' of EVE you should be at least ready to shoot your guns at someone else. We've been doing it for years, its how New Eden keeps spinning.
Move Incursions to lowsec for the obvious boost to that territory and you also boost classic, true pirate warfare like gatecamps and then maybe even the bears will see less griefing? Surely the Bears wouldn't complain if legitimate pirate tactics were used...
Oh, no, they would just begin posting about how we are psychopaths again. 
"EVE is PVP," I wish CCP would just change the damn game motto to this so we would stop having to educate all newcomers and WOW raiders. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
208
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:52:00 -
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Such wonderful willing-victim carebear tears...
...Keep 'em coming, my salva-Vigil's windscreen has never been so clean!
I are kyute kitten!
I are in ur mishun!
Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz!
(CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.) |
Krom Thomson
Jumpbridg
KnightRaven Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:00:00 -
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Dont you guys get tired of whinning about a game........ i'm only running incusions till i have the sp to join a null sec corp and effectivly live in null sec.
and btw yes i do pay for my account off the isk i make in the incusions and i'll put isk down that some of you do to! so stop bitching and rememer it a god damb game! |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
154
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:11:00 -
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Jo Hei wrote:As a game feature to attract new players, Incursions are an excellent piece of work. They fix the most fundamental problem of the new player experience - a lack of safe and social interaction that is fun. Incursions introduce players to the social aspect of EVE gameplay; fleet ops. The barriers to entry for doing incursions are low. They require teamwork, and there is an element of risk (esp if you are new). These are all great things for getting new players to join the EVE universe, allowing corporations and alliances to recruit more bodies and allowing the game universe to thrive.
Now let's compare your text with this:
Fearless M0F0 wrote:
... Any incursion requires forming fleets with highly specialised pilots which take years to train.
Here's the catch, incursions *should* be a game feature to attract new players but the incursion elitist overlords found out they could seize them and make them their personal brothel.
The new players don't even get invited. Those with 3B ships that take a year to train do.
The oh so bad griefers are also disrupting the incursion overlords and THEY are inviting newer players.
The fun result is that the oh so bad griefers are helping new players to PvE more than the elitist PvEers who instead leave them out or out-compete them.
Jo Hei wrote:
Most newbies roll up to incursions in Maelstroms/Ravens/Rokhs/Abaddons. Not T3 and Faction BS.
Ever tried flying an incursion capable BS? Even a Mael / Raven etc. involves extensive training in many, many prerequisites.
It's certainly not a newbie thing. Nor a newbie got 150M to risk.
Sicex wrote:
"EVE is PVP," I wish CCP would just change the damn game motto to this so we would stop having to educate all newcomers and WOW raiders.
No, EvE is what you make of it. Putting a label on it would immediately give it a "theme", a "purpose" and therefore make it a theme park exactly like the other crappy MMOs.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
689
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:12:00 -
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Fearless M0F0 wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Okay. The hourly reward from HIGHSEC incursions should be no more than the average hourly reward doing level 4 missions.
You are forgetting LVL 4 missions can be done solo in a drake by a 1 month old character. Any incursion requires forming fleets with highly specialised pilots which take years to train. You just CANNOT do incursions solo, you WILL NOT GET PAID if your fleet have less than a minimum number of pilots.
I'm not forgetting anything. And the reward would be per person. So if some longterm char with a faction BS can earn 75M ISK per hour soloing lvl 4 missions, then a fleet of experienced dudes running an incursion should earn 75M ISK per hour each.
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nubile slave
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:15:00 -
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Lots of tears about "Inequality" in a game......Just not sure who's tears are sadder....
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Ursula LeGuinn
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:24:00 -
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Jo Hei wrote:Most newbies roll up to incursions in Maelstroms/Ravens/Rokhs/Abaddons. Not T3 and Faction BS.
Oh, is that all? How accommodating.
Jo Hei wrote:I for one think that this particular "Sandbox MMO built around player conflict" could really use more players to conflict with.
I for one think that you (among others) are using concepts like "more players" and "new players" and "community" as sympathy shields to protect your agenda, namely the ability to farm low-risk Incursions perpetually without interference from other players, even with CONCORD at hand to prevent any serious violence.
Jo Hei wrote:That's why I support a game feature which allows new players to learn how to fly, how to make money, and how to deal with risk at an early stage. Eventually they will get down to PVP, one way or another.
Those lessons can be learned perfectly well regardless of the Sansha mothership being killed ASAP or logistics cruisers being jammed. In fact, I'd conjecture that being interfered with by other players early on is much better preparation for an eventual career in PvP.
Furthermore, those lessons can be learned without Incursions, and indeed were learned before Incursions. If Incursions are really about learning to play the game, why do you object to the "defend your assets from other players" portion of the experience?
"The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community."-áGÇö-áEVElopedia |
pheliac
NeoStar Research
0
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:31:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:
What is the complaint about? A subjective self-projected view of how things should be to a player with a lack of view on the big picture.
the same applies to what krissada and darius III are doing. your point is null. |
Ninavask
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:49:00 -
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I'm a bear... but even i'm enjoying the tears. Brick squad = win |
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:55:00 -
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Wow, it's 8p.m. CST Sunday night and their are only 31,000 people online according to eve stats we maxed at around 50,000. While I know some of that is maxing with EU/US overlap it looks like number of pilots online might be down 4,000-5,000+ with the closing of all high sec incursions.
BTW I brought up D&D to point out that people like to get together for scheduled gaming events. |
Umega
Solis Mensa
46
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:05:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Umega wrote:Spineker wrote:As if mining moon goo is more dangerous than incursions. The elite thing is so pathetic it would be funny if not for the hypocricy. Go do it. If you think moon goo mining isn't more dangerous than highsec Incursions.. go do it. What's stopping you? Perhaps the same reason that is stopping you from doing something in your favor ingame with Incursions? Lack of courage.. self confidence.. don't got a pair.. what's your reason? How do you get a pair? Do you need to do 10 blob runs and some alliance gives you a pair? Or gangbang some lone shuttle at the 0.0 gate Pee v Pee on each other like dogs on a car tire? How do you know what I do in this game? You don't. I don't run incursions either I just laugh at you Null Epeeners. Maybe If I DC in a blob I will learn confidence?
Quit peddling around in a circle like a circus clown, asking for people to look at you to see how silly and irrelevent you are behind a mask.
Back up your own quote with some a reasonable statement. Explain exactly how and why you believe moon mining is equavilent or less dangerous than Incursion running for Isk. What is more 'leet'.. having multi-billion battleships and crying when they are blown up or rendered 'useless' for npc farming.. or throwing ships at other players ships to defend or conquer space and/or ideals? Stereotypes tend to exist for a reason.
Now backup your own quote.. or be a lil ***** and back-peddle out of it. Choice is yours, spot light on.. what are you going to do?
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Ai Shun
157
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:07:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:Wow, it's 8p.m. CST Sunday night and their are only 31,000 people online according to eve stats we maxed at around 50,000. While I know some of that is maxing with EU/US overlap it looks like number of pilots online might be down 4,000-5,000+ with the closing of all high sec incursions.
Or they might be off watching a football game. Or enjoying a bbq with their families. Or having sex. Or engaging in some other activity that does not involve grinding an incursion.
But hey, online gaming worlds are what dreams are made of and it seems Klaasvakie has been visiting you.
Jas Dor wrote:BTW I brought up D&D to point out that people like to get together for scheduled gaming events.
And? |
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:16:00 -
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Well we're down under 31,000 at 8 PM on a Sunday. At this point we're beginning to see the knock on effects of drop in player participation. I know I just logged off two market alts as volume is way off right now. Speaking of better things to do. . .
Hey CCP anything that kills your players online numbers like this is a serious fing problem. |
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:17:00 -
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double post |
Ai Shun
157
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:21:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:Well we're down under 31,000 at 8 PM on a Sunday.
It is 3:18 pm on Monday here 
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JC Anderson
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
175
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:26:00 -
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Brumi Viri wrote:Tak McMonagle wrote:Incursions are funny. A lot of the people that run them are the same types that are hardcore raiders in other games. They raid to get gear to raid to get gear to.....you get the idea. Incursions are no different, except it's isk for mods/ships for isk for mods/ships. Honestly, Eve isn't a very good place with that sort of player. Most of us that play Eve play it for the ability to do whatever they want. Consequences or no. The raider types can't handle it when someone's fun gets in their way, directly or indirectly.
Also, what's wrong with killing the mom when its there? IMO, CCP should make the incursions harder the longer the mom is spawned and just left there, with no increase in rewards. Seriously, incursions are supposed to be Sansha offensives. Why do they just sit around idling while their **** gets blowed up? Raider types can and do handle it. Point of Reference the Massive Massive Ban List that BTL has. High Sector Incursions have never been safe. http://www.g4mer.net/blist/index.phpThere has been Griefing since day one. But there is a huge difference between dying while participating in an Incursion VS being denied the Incursion environment altogether.But ruining the weekend play to thousands fo High sector players because a selected few feel that all players should play in the bitter world they live in that is an Incursionless world is not the right approach. I hope CCP give perma bands as they are costing real memberships from the game. Whenever a high sector player decides he wants his ship to be blown up all he as to do is set auto pilot to the nearest 0.0 gate.
LOL A lot of the people that are on that list have reasons listed as : Starting or posting in "griefer" threads on the forums... And not actually doing any griefing in-game. |
Kartoone
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:36:00 -
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I run Incursions to fund my PVP habit...
I think Ive made 700 mill running Incursions... which is more than enough to fund my PVP addiction.
What Brick is doing is Fukked up! PPL should be able to make isk with the tools CCP has provided. |
Ursula LeGuinn
76
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:39:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:Well we're down under 31,000 at 8 PM on a Sunday.
These scare tactics aren't going to work.
Everyone is aware that certain people are mad because they can't farm Incursions 23.5/7 without interference right now. These are the very same people who laughed at what's-her-face when she started that thread and chat channel a while back, exclaiming in ominous tones that anyone who dared interfere with highsec Incursions would be wardecced out of existence.
Begging your pardon, but why have Incursion runners skipped the "you better not mess with us" approach and skipped directly to starting mass complaint threads in EVE General Discussion, complete with "I'm quitting," "look how many of us are quitting," and "CCP, make them stop hurting us"?
"The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community."-áGÇö-áEVElopedia |
Spineker
113
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:39:00 -
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They will get bored Kartoone they always do or fall apart. |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
54
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:40:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:Wow, it's 8p.m. CST Sunday night and their are only 31,000 people online according to eve stats we maxed at around 50,000. While I know some of that is maxing with EU/US overlap it looks like number of pilots online might be down 4,000-5,000+ with the closing of all high sec incursions.
BTW I brought up D&D to point out that people like to get together for scheduled gaming events.
Mate, you should check those figures again, looks pretty healthy, considering what CCP wnet through last 6-9 months..
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility *
Where do you make out those -5k players?
*) Chribba does draw them 'backwards'.. most recent activity is most left in all of his graphs
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