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TheBlackTruth
Heaven's Harvesters LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2012.01.21 22:23:00 -
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Can a single triage carrier solo tank the first cap escalation wave + the first anom wave in a normal (no system effects) C5? (The idea being to do an entire site with as little as two toons, a triage carrier and resisted/buffered dps subcap(s) to be repped by the carrier).
The "vanilla version" of a triage Thanny seems to be something like this:
[Thanatos, wh triage armor gang] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capital Armor Repairer I Capital Armor Repairer I
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Triage Module I (two more empty highslots to be used as the carrier pilot desires)
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
local reps 8614 dps with a cap stability of 54% (~90 extra cap per second at peak cap recharge)
Is this enough to tank the 6 sleepless guardians + the first wave of C5 anoms WHILE resisting the neut pressure? If not, then to what degree do I need to pimp the carrier's resists/reps/cap mods/rigs to do the job? How much dps does a sleepless guardian do per second? How much do they neut per second?
Also, what is the orbit distance of a sleepless guardian?
Please only respond if you have experience cap escalating in C5's or C6's; thanks in advance to anyone who can answer these questions accurately!!!! |
Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.21 22:30:00 -
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Not sure if any solo subcap can break the sleeper RR. Vindi being the highest dps choice but could you get it in range with all those sleeper webs? You'd be stuck pointed & neuted in there until DT. Also, test on Sisi. Scan your way out of your home hole rather than use 'moveme' if you need to get cap ships in. |
Takeshi Yamato
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.01.21 22:33:00 -
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I don't know about C5's and I'm hardly an expert on this, but I do C6's every now and then. I wouldn't even think about trying to do this with only two ships. You need several subcaps just to kill the BS spawns and sleepers have no problem killing a carrier if there are not enough other targets to distract them. |
TheBlackTruth
Heaven's Harvesters LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2012.01.21 22:35:00 -
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I wasn't aware that the sleepless guardians rr'ed, do they? It doesn't say so on eve survival... As for later anom waves that rr, the carrier can exit triage and apply dps after the escalation wave is dead, so those wont be a problem |
Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.21 23:11:00 -
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2 ships = dead drones = toothless carrier. Applied fighter dps is bad, ogres are slow as, so good luck locking & cycling reps on sentries in time to not have them just alpha'd. Again, Sisi. |
TheBlackTruth
Heaven's Harvesters LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2012.01.21 23:44:00 -
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Daneel Trevize wrote:2 ships = dead drones = toothless carrier. Applied fighter dps is bad, ogres are slow as, so good luck locking & cycling reps on sentries in time to not have them just alpha'd. Again, Sisi.
I am very experienced in the non-cap-escalation RR waves and am confident I can break them with carrier + 1 other ship. I appreciate your input, but my question is whether one carrier can tank the first cap escalation and the first wave simultaneously under full neuting pressure. It has nothing to do with my own dps in the non-escalation waves ;) |
James Arget
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2012.01.22 05:32:00 -
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A Thanatos is a fairly bad choice for your Triage, since it doesn't receive any useful bonuses. To simulate the neuting you'll be under, apply about 12 heavy neuts in EFT. Armor command links are essential, and at the very least you need to run a mindlinked T2 Passive Defense module off the Carrier, but all three off a Damnation or Legion is preferred. In the end, an Archon does the job my more easily. Your Thanatos helps most by assigning fighters from off grid.
Really though, don't try to do this with not enough people. While you can do it with four or six people, the process would be painfully slow, and you're going to be walking a tight rope in a place where anyone wandering by would just love to push you off. |
Drug Dealah
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.22 06:07:00 -
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1 carrier + 1 subcap dps would take forever, literally 5 minutes to kill a Guardian. Your carrier would have to tank and withstand neuting for way too long its almost impossible.
Quote:Also, what is the orbit distance of a sleepless guardian? They spawn at ~65 km and orbit at 35 km. |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2012.01.22 11:01:00 -
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You want 2 high DPS BSs at LEAST, even then it will take ages. Navy geddons or Machs are the best. I've run C6 sites 'solo' before with a thanny, 3 BSs and a fleet booster. it works fine but does take a while.
FYI, that thanny fit will get you killed, needs more cap recharge. needs 1 more CPR and 2x T2 ccc rigs. all the CPRs need to be faction, EANM should be faction. pilot should have at least 2x 3% cap implants.
the last 2 highs need to be a cap transfer and a smartbomb. |
TheBlackTruth
Heaven's Harvesters LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:40:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:FYI, that thanny fit will get you killed, needs more cap recharge. needs 1 more CPR and 2x T2 ccc rigs. all the CPRs need to be faction, EANM should be faction. pilot should have at least 2x 3% cap implants.
Thanks, THIS is what I'm asking :) To most other people answering: notice my question has nothing to do with my dps ships, I could be using 50 subcap dps ships and my question still applies, that question being about the Thanny and its tank. Thank you very much to the people who actually answered the question!
Anyone have any actual numbers on the sleeper dps? And can anyone confirm that James' "12 neuts on EFT" is about accurate for the neuting power? Thanks! |
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:09:00 -
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I've done some C5 capital escalations, and from my experience in a basilisk, I can confirm that "about 10-12 heavy neuts" is on the mark. |
Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:16:00 -
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The dps ship is important, it'll determine how long you're stuck in the anom for, how hard you'll have to rep it, and if you'll need to feed it cap to counter sleeper neuting of it. All of which means more pressure on your carrier. |
De BuG2
Rise on Chaos The Fendahlian Collective
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:36:00 -
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In a C5, A carrier + 1 Sub cap ship will not be enough, you need atleast 2 High DPS Sub caps + a Carrier to do the site in any respectable time. I use a nightmare and a mach minimum, with chimera support. |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:58:00 -
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Thanks for the comments. As someone looking to move on to try 'solo' C5 rsn this is is pretty well all useful. Mebbe I should revise my plan to make thanny the first carrier I build there.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:16:00 -
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We never needed triage in a C5 or C6. This has the advantage that you can also use all your fighters and contribute DPS.
Neuting isn't a problem for capitals either. Sleepers will switch targets long before the capacitor is dry. The only way a capital's capacitor will go dry is if the pilot isn't paying attention and leaves the local rep running when it isn't needed.
Escalation 1 = Carrier 1: The most important carrier. Does nearly all the repping. Assign all fighters to free-up targets. Escalation 2 = Dread 1: DPS. Escalation 3 = Dread 2: DPS. Escalation 4 = Carrier 2: The least important capital. DPS.
Solo? the capital will die. |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:14:00 -
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A 6 guardian escalation neuts about the equivalent of a 7 neut bhaalgorn with amarr BS 4. As a note, if at all possible use an archon. It's at least twice as good as a thanny at anything related to triaging.
Thanny does work fine and can tank the single escalation wave + initial spawn just fine in any C6 site for as long as it has stront. You absolutely will need to triage is youre using subcaps as the sleepers will break through 2 non triaged reps on a BS easily and youre going to have issues locking T3s fast enough to save them with only 6 lock slots.
Quote:Neuting isn't a problem for capitals either. Sleepers will switch targets long before the capacitor is dry. The only way a capital's capacitor will go dry is if the pilot isn't paying attention and leaves the local rep running when it isn't needed.r
^this is only true if the carrier is properly fit for cap recharge. if you do something stupid like fitting tank in all your low slots and fitting resist rigs, youre going to cap out and die in a fire. (ive seen someone do this, dont ask...) |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:18:00 -
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Double post... |
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