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Danari
Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.02 03:20:00 -
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How do you tank a dictor to survive a titan doomsday?
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Vandalias
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Posted - 2007.10.02 03:25:00 -
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Plates/extenders, high native resists and resistance rigs would be my guess.
Do some math on your own and you can probably figure out a workable solution if you know what damage type your going up against.
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bluechimera
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.02 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Danari How do you tank a dictor to survive a titan doomsday?
Gamesguy and I were playing around with this awhile ago, for giggles.
1) Know what type of DD is comin for ya. Gogo spies! 2) Get as close to 100% resist to that damage as possible. You can get extremely close (depending on ship/damage type) with expensive modules and leadership/CS bonuses. 3) Pump your HPs once the resist is met.
A Dictor *can* be setup to survive a DD, but to equip whats necessary, while being able to fit a launcher, and somehow surviving the inevitable smartbombs is the tricky part :D
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.02 04:50:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 02/10/2007 04:55:19
Pfft, yeah, right...
Show me an EFT screenshot using any possible "wet dream fantasy" setup and fleet bonuses that gets any dictor/damagetype combo you think would be best over 70312.5 effective HP.
IF you manage to do that, figure out the cost of that setup, and how many seconds would it take any interceptor to kill you. _
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Andre Ricard
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.02 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 02/10/2007 04:55:19
Pfft, yeah, right...
Show me an EFT screenshot using any possible "wet dream fantasy" setup and fleet bonuses that gets any dictor/damagetype combo you think would be best over 70312.5 effective HP.
IF you manage to do that, figure out the cost of that setup, and how many seconds would it take any interceptor to kill you.
How do you think Evil Thug's group killed MC's titan? The dictor used to bubble the titan tanked the DD.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.02 05:03:00 -
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that was one hell of an expensive dictor setup to risk, and/or the MC pilot didn't have that much of a DDOp skill level... Care to give more details ? _
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WildSide
Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.02 05:09:00 -
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Edited by: WildSide on 02/10/2007 05:11:49 fast quickfit setup flycatcher
low: power diag t2
med; 3 medhium shield extender t2 +2x pithium a-type exp shield amp
1: bubble luncher
rigs: 2x core defence shield extender rigs t1 stas without gang bonuses:
shield hp: 6771hp exp res: 90.9% armor: 750hp exp res: 10% structure: 814hp exp res: 0 a gjallahorn doing 46 875 exp dmg means that with 90% shieldr es(or mroe in gang) its only gonna do 10% of the dmg= 4687,5 dmg
it means the dictor gonna have like still 2.1k shield hp after the DD. even mroe if it got gang bonus.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.02 05:23:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 02/10/2007 05:25:45
MINIMUM DD damage is 51,562.5 at L1 skill (required to operate) "Nominal" damage (at L4 skill, I'd expect any titan pilot to have it) is 65,625 Maximum damage (L5) is 70,312.5
But yeah, hmm, pith a-type exp and good comp skills, sounds reasonable... and would still leave with some shield after a low-level EXP DD. _
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Straife
Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.02 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: Straife on 02/10/2007 05:34:54 Actually with his posted setup you would still have shields after your nominal DD damage of 65k.
Alternatively you can use: 3 x T2 Med shield extender 2 x Pith X-type explosive hardners 2 x Anti Explosive Screen Reinforcer 1 x T2 Dmg Control
Explosive resists of 95.7%, 4876 shields without gang. Nominal DD does 2821.875 dmg to you.
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General Apocalypse
Amarr The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2007.10.02 06:21:00 -
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That's the reason why the minie capital ships suck .
BTW Can any dictor tank the other DDDs ? I don't think Aurora Ominae , Judgment or Oblivion can be tanked at max dmg .
Originally by: CCP Morpheus nerf ccp plz
Originally by: CCP Oveur To the gankmobile!
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Straife
Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.02 06:37:00 -
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Using that same basic template you can get the flycatcher to tank any DD at lvl 4 except for the Judgement, but that can probably be done with a more armor concious dictor, but the flycatcher comes extremely close.
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Sedai Hara
The Forsakened Companions Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.02 08:02:00 -
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Edited by: Sedai Hara on 02/10/2007 08:05:17 Lol i hate Mac keyboards :D double post sry -----------------------------
Originally by: Ozzie Asrail A mega without 3 magstabs fitted is like kladdkaka without chocolate.
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Sedai Hara
The Forsakened Companions Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.02 08:05:00 -
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AS a little sidenote to the "smartbombing" statement.
in hte report of CAOD forum, it stood the flycatcher where remote repped as h*ll by carriers to keep him alive after the DD. (cant give a quote but its mentioned)
So yeah, this seems possible, but any other ship would melt it in seconds of solo. Kinda limits he uses to this kind of setup, but thats alright , supposed to work vs 1 specific ship in one specific situation. -----------------------------
Originally by: Ozzie Asrail A mega without 3 magstabs fitted is like kladdkaka without chocolate.
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Mrrzah
Amarr Ordo Drakonis
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Posted - 2007.10.02 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Straife Edited by: Straife on 02/10/2007 05:34:54 Actually with his posted setup you would still have shields after your nominal DD damage of 65k.
Alternatively you can use: 3 x T2 Med shield extender 2 x Pith X-type explosive hardners 2 x Anti Explosive Screen Reinforcer 1 x T2 Dmg Control
Explosive resists of 95.7%, 4876 shields without gang. Nominal DD does 2821.875 dmg to you.
Shouldn't even need those Pith hardeners. Make it
2x T2 EXP hardener 1x T2 Medium Extender 2x Best named Extender (grid) 1x DCU 1x Sphere Launcher
rigs 1x Anti-EXP Screen I 1x Core Defence Field Extender I
There, makes it a 50 mil ship instead of a 500 mil ship and tanks the DD just fine.
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.02 08:22:00 -
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DDD-proof Merlin, assuming explosive DDD of 70313 damage.
2x MSE II 2x Explosive hardener IIs
DC II
2x explosive shield rigs
Gives 95.3% explosive resistance on 3000 shields. Should leave you in armour. All calculations according to EFT.
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Danari
Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.02 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mrrzah Make it
2x T2 EXP hardener 1x T2 Medium Extender 2x Best named Extender (grid) 1x DCU 1x Sphere Launcher
rigs 1x Anti-EXP Screen I 1x Core Defence Field Extender I
There, makes it a 50 mil ship instead of a 500 mil ship and tanks the DD just fine.
Thank you. I didn't expect a result short of exotic but this is hot.
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Esaka
Taxbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.02 09:08:00 -
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Something that isn't shown by EFT but could be very useful in this situation is heat. You get a very decent bonus from overheating hardeners, enough that you should be able to fit an mwd. If you have the nerve and lag-freeness to use heat in such a situation is probably another question.
I'd fit something along: Sphere Launcher Prototype Cloak MWD 2 x Faction Hardener 1 x T2 Hardener 1 x T2 Med Extender 1 x T2 DCU 2 x Shield Extender Rigs ---------------------------------- Be cool, be important, colorize!!! |
Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.02 09:09:00 -
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Heat would greatly ease the tanking (2x t2 hardeners suffice) but it requires decent timing else they shutdown and you instapop. Having passive hardeners instead of active is also a great advantage in laggu environments.
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar FSK23
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Posted - 2007.10.02 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: General Apocalypse That's the reason why the minie capital ships suck .
BTW Can any dictor tank the other DDDs ? I don't think Aurora Ominae , Judgment or Oblivion can be tanked at max dmg .
Judgement Tank:
Eris, ZET5000, LG-Slave Set
Armor EM Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1MN Afterburner II [empty med slot]
Interdiction Sphere Launcher I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II
Effective HP against EM: 70'410.
Eris, 2 overheated EM Hardener
Armor EM Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1MN Afterburner II [empty med slot]
Interdiction Sphere Launcher I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Effective HP against EM: 74'458. -- [17:47] <Mephysto> its dead, jim |
Esaka
Taxbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.02 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Heat would greatly ease the tanking (2x t2 hardeners suffice) but it requires decent timing else they shutdown and you instapop. Having passive hardeners instead of active is also a great advantage in laggu environments.
2 hardeners wouldn't be enough for Term DD, even with 3 you'd need some decent gang bonus. If you enable heat but do not run your hardeners before the light goes on the timing shouldn't be that hard (unless for lag ofc). But then again if you try to kill a 60? 100?bil ship might want to take the gamble. ---------------------------------- Be cool, be important, colorize!!! |
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.02 11:44:00 -
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Its a magic, guys
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Otto Matic
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Posted - 2007.10.02 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: General Apocalypse That's the reason why the minie capital ships suck .
BTW Can any dictor tank the other DDDs ? I don't think Aurora Ominae , Judgment or Oblivion can be tanked at max dmg .
Sabre / Judgement:
Core X-Type Armor EM Hardener 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field Medium Shield Extender II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Interdiction Sphere Launcher I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Anti-EM Pump II Anti-EM Pump II
Takes 75821 EM damage with gang booster having Armored Warfare and Siege Warfare 5. Can be made cheaper with a Command ship. ;-)
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Barthezz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.02 12:19:00 -
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Forgot the setup, but I'm pretty sure I had a Flycatcher setup that could tank the explosive DDD without using faction stuff (and still have a mwd + bubble) if it has a vulture (max skilled + implant) as gang lead and I think it was the armor (forgot which command ship) as wing commander, and a claymore as fleet commander for speed.
It would end in low hull I think though (also had a couple of implants etc). ---
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.10.02 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Andre Ricard
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 02/10/2007 04:55:19
Pfft, yeah, right...
Show me an EFT screenshot using any possible "wet dream fantasy" setup and fleet bonuses that gets any dictor/damagetype combo you think would be best over 70312.5 effective HP.
IF you manage to do that, figure out the cost of that setup, and how many seconds would it take any interceptor to kill you.
How do you think Evil Thug's group killed MC's titan? The dictor used to bubble the titan tanked the DD.
Uh, aren't titans immobile for 10 mins after DDing? They could have just warped out and then back in.
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Firkragg
Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.02 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: Andre Ricard
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 02/10/2007 04:55:19
Pfft, yeah, right...
Show me an EFT screenshot using any possible "wet dream fantasy" setup and fleet bonuses that gets any dictor/damagetype combo you think would be best over 70312.5 effective HP.
IF you manage to do that, figure out the cost of that setup, and how many seconds would it take any interceptor to kill you.
How do you think Evil Thug's group killed MC's titan? The dictor used to bubble the titan tanked the DD.
Uh, aren't titans immobile for 10 mins after DDing? They could have just warped out and then back in.
Erm as i remember they cant cyno out but they can warp.
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Brick0Joe
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.02 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug Its a magic, guys
lol stop taking my funny sigs! |
Paulson
The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.02 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Firkragg
Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: Andre Ricard
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 02/10/2007 04:55:19
Pfft, yeah, right...
Show me an EFT screenshot using any possible "wet dream fantasy" setup and fleet bonuses that gets any dictor/damagetype combo you think would be best over 70312.5 effective HP.
IF you manage to do that, figure out the cost of that setup, and how many seconds would it take any interceptor to kill you.
How do you think Evil Thug's group killed MC's titan? The dictor used to bubble the titan tanked the DD.
Uh, aren't titans immobile for 10 mins after DDing? They could have just warped out and then back in.
Erm as i remember they cant cyno out but they can warp.
Correct. In fact the MC titan was Nano fitted and was able to get into warp within 20 seconds after dropping the DD. Trust me for a ship that big that is impressive. Also what makes it even more impressive is that Evil Thug and his fellow corpmates managed to pin it down in time for support to turn up (remember it was already aligned I think).
As a side note if a normal dictor is able to tank a DD just think what a heavy dictor can do when they are out?
My crystal ball says more Moms and Titans are going to die
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.02 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug Its a magic, guys
<3
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Perfect Diamond
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Posted - 2007.10.02 13:55:00 -
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Can't you sit inside of a carrier/mothership until the blast is gone?
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Johnatan
VVS Corporition Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.17 18:39:00 -
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Any real fittings?
WTB mana in EVE.
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