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Rialtor
Amarr Yarrrateers Mass Destruction.
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Posted - 2007.10.04 20:45:00 -
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wow
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lofty29
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.04 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: lofty29 on 04/10/2007 20:55:07 wow
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Holy fukken **** that's amazing ---
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.10.04 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29 wow
This is a scam.
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Rialtor
Amarr Yarrrateers Mass Destruction.
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Posted - 2007.10.04 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Rialtor on 04/10/2007 21:00:46 He needs to mount some gun turrents on this one, fyi it's 3 tons :)
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.04 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Rialtor wow
That's incredibly fascinating! It goes to show how narrow our definition of life and what living creatures are. This guy uses some very simple principles and a tiny mechanical computer to give these mechanical creatures a degree of automation and decision making. It's not much more than primitive bacteria by biological standards, but it's still incredibly interesting.
It may be possible to a program to use a genetic algorithm and a physics engine to create something similar... Holy **** where's my IDE. ------------ Whiners - Unite! | Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist. |
Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.10.04 21:16:00 -
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cool, impressive idea on "life" indeed -
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Caid Lemant
Cunning Hats
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Posted - 2007.10.04 21:58:00 -
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Very beautiful and thought invoking. --------
There is not enough love and goodness in the world for us to be permitted to give any of it away to imaginary things. Friedrich Nietzsche |
Born Slippy
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Posted - 2007.10.04 22:15:00 -
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Impressive design and idea. Not that brilliant though, it's not like they are truly thinking for themselves like the guy tries to get across. Their just cleverly built machines.
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lofty29
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.04 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Born Slippy Impressive design and idea. Not that brilliant though, it's not like they are truly thinking for themselves like the guy tries to get across. Their just cleverly built machines.
He's an artist, he's being weird and is acting like they are actual beings. It's really quite clever because they do act like a living thing - moving of their free will, and avoiding things. ---
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Born Slippy
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Posted - 2007.10.04 22:22:00 -
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they do act like a living thing - moving of their free will, and avoiding things.
Well yeah but then so does a Sony Aibo... already been done!
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lofty29
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.04 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Born Slippy
they do act like a living thing - moving of their free will, and avoiding things.
Well yeah but then so does a Sony Aibo... already been done!
But this is 100% mechanical, like a human (kind of) ---
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Rialtor
Amarr Yarrrateers Mass Destruction.
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Posted - 2007.10.04 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Rialtor on 04/10/2007 23:11:43
Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Born Slippy Impressive design and idea. Not that brilliant though, it's not like they are truly thinking for themselves like the guy tries to get across. Their just cleverly built machines.
He's an artist, he's being weird and is acting like they are actual beings. It's really quite clever because they do act like a living thing - moving of their free will, and avoiding things.
If you abstract your thinking and breakdown what "life" means. You can say things like crystals are "alive", machines are "alive". Look into principles of Genetic Takeover it's a very interesting discussion. You may find life is less miraculous than you may think. Sentience may be another issue however.
In fact how did organic things start, wasn't it out of inorganic objects? If you look at the discussion from the change of reptiles to mammals, you'll see the notion of a "prime" mammal (that is the 1st mammal) dismissed. Because it is such a debatable topic which variation of our ancestors would 1st be a mammal, what feature makes something go from reptile to mammal (You may have that debate but it's very subjective.), "life" works very much the same way.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.05 07:58:00 -
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Ive seen one of those beasts walk by on the beach when i was younger, tried to make one like it with legoes
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.10.05 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Born Slippy
they do act like a living thing - moving of their free will, and avoiding things.
Well yeah but then so does a Sony Aibo... already been done!
If you don't realise how much more win this is than an Aibo, then you really should just go out and buy an Aibo.
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.05 11:57:00 -
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It's an awesome concept tbh, really well thought out.
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Mudkest
MetaForge Ekliptika
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Posted - 2007.10.05 14:33:00 -
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definetly interesting stuff, but one thing boggles my mind...
"eventualy these things will inhabit the beaches"... so we have something made from electrical tubing(as theye call it in holland) that moves sidways between the water and the dry sand on a beach, powered by the wind.
What's the frikkin point!
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Cornucopian
Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.05 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mudkest Edited by: Mudkest on 05/10/2007 14:41:44 definetly interesting stuff, but one thing boggles my mind...
"eventualy these things will inhabit the beaches"... so we have something made from electrical tubing(as theye call it in holland) that moves sidways between the water and the dry sand on a beach, with its nose(what nose O.O) in the wind powered by the wind.
What's the frikkin point!
like some other thing I saw on tv last, about making a bridge on the bearing strate. Bridge will cost several hundreds of millions of dollars(or was it 1-2 bil?). Then, seeing there's nothing on the rusian part of the strate , and nothing on the alaskan part of the strate(no towns, no industry, no mines, nothing worth mining/collecting there. absolutly nothing, will be a bridge coming from nothing going too nothing) there would have to be a gigantic infrastructure to be made, costing at least 3 times the cost of the bridge.. so here theye are researching/speculating building a bridge costing several billion of dollars so you could drive from hong long to san fransisco.. even going by boat will be faster.
I can understand its interesting to theorize and/or lessons leanred and stuff thought up will be usefull at other things, but that's not the point being brought forward.
you fail at life. there is no point in going to the moon, or into the mariana trench, nor is there another worthwhile in the pyramids, or the louvre. We should all just make license plates instead. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Originally by: Royaldo
complete win by Cornucopian!
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.05 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Mudkest Edited by: Mudkest on 05/10/2007 14:41:44 definetly interesting stuff, but one thing boggles my mind...
"eventualy these things will inhabit the beaches"... so we have something made from electrical tubing(as theye call it in holland) that moves sidways between the water and the dry sand on a beach, with its nose(what nose O.O) in the wind powered by the wind.
What's the frikkin point!
Proof of concept if nothing else. These things that he's constructed are basically gigantic, extremely primitive microscopic life. Not much right now, but the car started with the wheel, no?
Quote: like some other thing I saw on tv last, about making a bridge on the bearing strate. Bridge will cost several hundreds of millions of dollars(or was it 1-2 bil?). Then, seeing there's nothing on the rusian part of the strate , and nothing on the alaskan part of the strate(no towns, no industry, no mines, nothing worth mining/collecting there. absolutly nothing, will be a bridge coming from nothing going too nothing) there would have to be a gigantic infrastructure to be made, costing at least 3 times the cost of the bridge.. so here theye are researching/speculating building a bridge costing several billion of dollars so you could drive from hong long to san fransisco.. even going by boat will be faster.
Whoo boy, you're not really familiar with economics are you?
Quote: I can understand its interesting to theorize and/or lessons leanred and stuff thought up will be usefull at other things, but that's not the point being brought forward.
Why not? That's what I got from it. ------------ Whiners - Unite! | Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist. |
Rialtor
Amarr Yarrrateers Mass Destruction.
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Posted - 2007.10.05 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mudkest Edited by: Mudkest on 05/10/2007 14:41:44 definetly interesting stuff, but one thing boggles my mind...
"eventualy these things will inhabit the beaches"... so we have something made from electrical tubing(as theye call it in holland) that moves sidways between the water and the dry sand on a beach, with its nose(what nose O.O) in the wind powered by the wind.
What's the frikkin point!
like some other thing I saw on tv last, about making a bridge on the bearing strate. Bridge will cost several hundreds of millions of dollars(or was it 1-2 bil?). Then, seeing there's nothing on the rusian part of the strate , and nothing on the alaskan part of the strate(no towns, no industry, no mines, nothing worth mining/collecting there. absolutly nothing, will be a bridge coming from nothing going too nothing) there would have to be a gigantic infrastructure to be made, costing at least 3 times the cost of the bridge.. so here theye are researching/speculating building a bridge costing several billion of dollars so you could drive from hong long to san fransisco.. even going by boat will be faster.
I can understand its interesting to theorize and/or lessons leanred and stuff thought up will be usefull at other things, but that's not the point being brought forward.
If nothing else it's a study of a different mode of motion. I'm not sure if you watched the entire thing, but there's a scene were a guy is pushing a 3 ton object. Such a little force required to push a 3 ton object. He stated it even moved by wind, while not fast, it was capable. That alone makes his principles of motion worth looking at, forget the autonomous part and all the clever little tricks he came up with to make his "projects" survive.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.05 15:33:00 -
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I really think that something like this has a lot of potential in the field of artificial life. I've been pondering this for several days now and this is what I've come up with:
-Each of these "animals" is composed of a few very simple parts (lengths of tube, support tubes, joints, and storage units for air -The composition of these parts can be described simply in the form of code, and it's "nervous system" in the form of air pressure -The external environment can be reduced to a few variables: *wind *water *the surface
This leads me to a very interesting theory: Using a genetic algorithm and a simple fitness selection (speed, resistance to wind, ability to avoid water), I write - in theory - a relatively simple program to create new, increasingly complex forms of these things
I think I might really try this. ------------ Whiners - Unite! | Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist. |
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Mudkest
MetaForge Ekliptika
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Posted - 2007.10.05 15:42:00 -
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nono, you misunderstood me. like I said it is interesting, and also a nice way to move forward witht echnology and all.
BUT, theye said in that film thingie about creating lots of thsoe things and set them free on the beaches. What's the point of having hundreds, if not thousands of those things walk on the beaches for miles.
have 1 in a museum as part of historical value/show technological advance, sure I can understand that. set 5 or so of those things on a beach and call it art and I can understadn that as well(not that I understand the art, but I understand why its done). But if theye say that some day theye hope to ahve lots and lots of them roaming on the beaches and I ask what's the point.
and then I fail at life for questioning that?
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Rialtor
Amarr Yarrrateers Mass Destruction.
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Posted - 2007.10.05 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mudkest nono, you misunderstood me. like I said it is interesting, and also a nice way to move forward witht echnology and all.
BUT, theye said in that film thingie about creating lots of thsoe things and set them free on the beaches. What's the point of having hundreds, if not thousands of those things walk on the beaches for miles.
have 1 in a museum as part of historical value/show technological advance, sure I can understand that. set 5 or so of those things on a beach and call it art and I can understadn that as well(not that I understand the art, but I understand why its done). But if theye say that some day theye hope to ahve lots and lots of them roaming on the beaches and I ask what's the point.
and then I fail at life for questioning that?
Technology is subject to similar rules as real life organism. Those rules being natural selection. By making his creations compete, he thus determines the best design. That design will be expanded upon, he's trimming his tree since he can't investigate all areas. And technological advance leads to technological advance through studying the rules and principles over and over. Tarmic brought up the notion of inventing a wheel and ending up with car. How many "species" of wheeled vehicle did they go through before they got to the car. A wheel barrow, a cart, etc.
He's just following the principal of natural selection to make his advance bear more fruit.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.05 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mudkest BUT, theye said in that film thingie about creating lots of thsoe things and set them free on the beaches. What's the point of having hundreds, if not thousands of those things walk on the beaches for miles.
have 1 in a museum as part of historical value/show technological advance, sure I can understand that. set 5 or so of those things on a beach and call it art and I can understadn that as well(not that I understand the art, but I understand why its done). But if theye say that some day theye hope to ahve lots and lots of them roaming on the beaches and I ask what's the point.
and then I fail at life for questioning that?
Why isn't that art too? I think having a hundred autonomous, mechanical creatures wandering the beaches like a herd to be extremely artistic, not to mention a fascinating example of mechanical engineering. What is or isn't art is extremely subjective. ------------ Whiners - Unite! | Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist. |
Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2007.10.05 17:58:00 -
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Thank you. Some of that TED stuff is absolutely wonderful.
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