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Kaaii
Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.10.06 13:06:00 -
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y/n?
Alot farmers, we have all seen them. 23/7. You can't war dec them.
Make cosmos for non-farmers?
/discuss
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.10.06 14:07:00 -
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No.
They pay the same amount of money for their accounts. After we start nerfing certain corps then where to draw the line. No entry to low sec or 0.0 next ? Better solution would be to move COSMOS into exploration.
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Pizi
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.06 15:54:00 -
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what the above poster said leave cosmos open for everyone move invention stuff to allready useless radar sites _______________________________________________ EVEpedia[Deutsch/German] add
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VicturusTeSaluto
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Posted - 2007.10.06 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex No.
They pay the same amount of money for their accounts. After we start nerfing certain corps then where to draw the line. No entry to low sec or 0.0 next ? Better solution would be to move COSMOS into exploration.
Stop buying isk from Chinese, fruitbat.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
Originally by: Carniflex No.
They pay the same amount of money for their accounts. After we start nerfing certain corps then where to draw the line. No entry to low sec or 0.0 next ? Better solution would be to move COSMOS into exploration.
Stop buying isk from Chinese, fruitbat.
says the floating head. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute |
Susan Acid
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Posted - 2007.10.07 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
y/n?
Alot farmers, we have all seen them. 23/7. You can't war dec them.
Make cosmos for non-farmers?
/discuss
No.Cosmos are for everyone.
What's your definition of a 'non-farmer'?
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Lugburz
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Posted - 2007.10.07 11:45:00 -
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definition of a non farmer is someone running the missions definition of a farmer is someone just running the plex's
farmings not too bad in some places but when the skillbooks or whatever only pop up in one can in the whole constellation... and someones permenantly sat there, its a problem.. Should be able to shop those sort of farmers like isk sellers or macroers, better to just have the desired item pop up in a random can though (1 of 30 would be good/always a random one)means the farmer would at least have to work for it... imo its easier to buy though
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ginsu gnife
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Posted - 2007.10.07 11:52:00 -
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this has been said over and over... suicide gank their farming asses. ithink it is an exploit when they sit there 23/7... u know they are using a bot because noone in their right mind would sit there all day long.
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Hephaesteus
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.07 11:58:00 -
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Actually I like that idea. Why, well because it would encourage players to interact more within Eve and help prevent Isk farming.
Feel free to flame away have thick skin and asbestos suit.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.07 14:25:00 -
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I don't get why people seem keen on everything being moved to Exploration - why should we need a Prober alt and uber probing skills and 30mins of probing JUST to access every other bit of EVE content? We need more Static Content like the old Complexs, Belts, COSMOS sites, etc really, especially in low-sec. Exploration and Missions are the only things worth anything there really, and both are instanced -----
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Pakalolo
Tha Shiznit
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Posted - 2007.10.07 16:19:00 -
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the answer is fairly simple.
One can keep hackable/analyzed cans in Comos plexes open until you warp away. Once open, you know immediately when an item spawns into the can.
The solution is to make these cans like all others - they close automatically when looted, and can not be opened again until they are hacked/analyzed again.
Finally, randomize that 20 minute respawn timer. Perhaps randomize the loot as well, so the best stuff doesn't always appear in the same 4 or 5 cans.
This will discourage the campers.
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Malusonius
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Posted - 2007.10.07 18:13:00 -
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No, that isn't the right answer. Like others have said, what do you mean by "non-farmer"? What makes a farmer and what doesn't make a farmer?
I think the plexes need to be turned into mission deadspaces. That is, make the "plex" a mission to complete through an agent, and at the same time, increase the drop rate of important items (such as Encryption books) to 100% (i.e assuming you fully complete the "mission", you WILL have successfully hacked a can and gotten a book in a reasonable amount of time). Decryptors and other such items should be relegated to exploration so that they are still available (somewhat) to those who invent and such.
This way, people can run the missions without fear of farmers, but still in fear of pirates (since their deadspace can be probed out). Also, the farmers will have to stop eventually because all missions have a hard time limit, at which point, the "mission" automatically times out/fails.
Thus the risk of mission running (piracy, even in high sec space) doesn't change , but the opportunity to obtain these items increases greatly. And at the same time, the farmers can only farm the "plex" for a limited amount of time before the mission times out and can never get it again.
Or something like that....the idea needs working a bit. But I think it's the direction CCP should go. |
Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2007.10.07 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex No.
They pay the same amount of money for their accounts. After we start nerfing certain corps then where to draw the line. No entry to low sec or 0.0 next ? Better solution would be to move COSMOS into exploration.
this
Not everyone wants to put up with the drama/bs in player corps. Though there's problems with npc corps being abused for a lot of stuff, restricting access to only certain types of the paying customers is not the way for CCP to deal with ANY game problem. A monthly access fee allows for whatever content you can carve out for yourself. __________________________________________________ FOLD. The Ultimate PVP. It really is Us vs. Them. clicky |
Roche Pso
Gallente Deltole Research Labs
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Posted - 2007.10.07 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lugburz definition of a non farmer is someone running the missions definition of a farmer is someone just running the plex's
So if I went into the Deltole plex to collect parts to build my COSMOS BPCs, I would be a farmer?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.07 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lugburz
....., better to just have the desired item pop up in a random can though (1 of 30 would be good/always a random one)means the farmer would at least have to work for it... imo its easier to buy though
This is a good suggestion, relatively simple to implement.
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Goldis
Caldari Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.08 00:07:00 -
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I say get rid of cosmos and be done with it. It was never designed to be used as it is now, not with farmers/metagamers, or even 35k ppl online. It is a feature outgrown. Same with static plexes.
Reform it to look like the normal missions aka some agents that offer a few normal missions that may involve hacking/archaeology/yadayada. Instances for everyone, one per char for everyone, standings required so it wont be abused, special lp store with cosmos rewards. ----
De Gustibus et Coloribus non disputandum est.
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Pakalolo
Tha Shiznit
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Posted - 2007.10.08 15:34:00 -
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Until ccp comes up with another way to raise faction standing more quickly than 1 storyline every 16 missions, Cosmos will remain a useful game feature. I would also speculate Cosmos will be integral to factional warfare.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.10.08 23:27:00 -
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No need... Just move all decryptors and skill books to exploration.... Problem solved....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Jita TradeAlt
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Posted - 2007.10.08 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Rawr Cristina I don't get why people seem keen on everything being moved to Exploration - why should we need a Prober alt and uber probing skills and 30mins of probing JUST to access every other bit of EVE content? We need more Static Content like the old Complexs, Belts, COSMOS sites, etc really, especially in low-sec. Exploration and Missions are the only things worth anything there really, and both are instanced
They aren't istanced. The people doing them are relatively easy to locate and attack. So be more careful with your terms.
No, they aren't instanced, but they might as well be. As a solo pvp'er im not going to ever catch anyone in an exploration plex simply because I can't fit probes. So basically all explorers are safe from random gankers. And even if i could fly a probing pvp ship then they'd have to be pretty dim not to notice the probes going down, not to mention actually figuring out that they're running an exploration site instead of sitting at a pos or something isn't exactly obvious either.
Probing is a ****ty time sink that no one wants.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.09 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jita TradeAlt
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Rawr Cristina I don't get why people seem keen on everything being moved to Exploration - why should we need a Prober alt and uber probing skills and 30mins of probing JUST to access every other bit of EVE content? We need more Static Content like the old Complexs, Belts, COSMOS sites, etc really, especially in low-sec. Exploration and Missions are the only things worth anything there really, and both are instanced
They aren't istanced. The people doing them are relatively easy to locate and attack. So be more careful with your terms.
No, they aren't instanced, but they might as well be. As a solo pvp'er im not going to ever catch anyone in an exploration plex simply because I can't fit probes. So basically all explorers are safe from random gankers. And even if i could fly a probing pvp ship then they'd have to be pretty dim not to notice the probes going down, not to mention actually figuring out that they're running an exploration site instead of sitting at a pos or something isn't exactly obvious either.
Probing is a ****ty time sink that no one wants.
For you probing his a time shink you don't want.
For people like Murder One it seem to work perfectly to find mission runners.
If you don't want to train the skill and equip the probe launcher and don't want to form a gang with someone that can do it it is your problem, not a defect of the game.
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Fransico Lesante
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Posted - 2007.10.10 03:16:00 -
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Actually the answer is simple, make the complexes deadspace like all other missions in the game, it spawns when the mission is accepted, player that took the mission gets a bm.. static complexes are nto RP friendly (yes some of us do care about this aspect) and they promote "farmers" the farmers in question are doing this 24/7 there is video ofthem doing it, its been reported, proven, etc.. and nothing is being done. The reason? because someone with real money bought some GTCs, this farmer bought them with isk to pay for his 7+ accounts, which then fund either an isk selling business, or, fund his personal fleet. Make the cosmos "missions" just like the other missions and its solves the problem in all cases, other then of course the farmer.. but do we rally want to defend them?? GO MINE! its the same damn thing and you can make more money at it! /me sighs.
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syphurous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.10 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Fransico Lesante which then fund either an isk selling business,
Or Jump to conclusions ? If they were selling, they would be caught, and they would be banned.
It's more likely funding a alliance's bankroll. ___
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Fransico Lesante
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Posted - 2007.10.10 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Fransico Lesante which then fund either an isk selling business, or, fund his personal fleet. /me sighs.
Who jumped to conclusions? I am simply stating my OPINION, as well as various POSSIBILITIES, which, in this case are most likely correct.
My personal fleet is my corp fleet! I do very similar things, although I use mining and industry to create the wealth, purchase the gtcs, and move on.. I see nothing wrong with that at all, but, I do have an issue with someone taking advantage of complexes like this and not allowing anyone else to participate.. Suicide squad? Explain to me how to suicide bomb 6 battleships capable of tanking a final room in a Cosmos plex that will actually net a result. He gets popped, he just goes and builds another ship with the rewards he gathered in the other 5 ships, and starts all over.
/sigh some people just like flames dont they??
/me grabs a carboard box to fan them on
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Lincoln Armm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 21:19:00 -
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http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=509
problem solved.
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Fransico Lesante
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Posted - 2007.10.13 02:28:00 -
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wow that was fast, thanks CCP, would you mind answering my pending (fo a week now) petition now??
and no, im not a ccp alt hehe
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.10.13 02:34:00 -
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Yes.
Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread |
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