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Jon Marburg
The Executioners
Merciless.
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Posted - 2012.01.23 09:37:00 -
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How about a little love for the bastardized gallente drone boats? The 75mb/s bandwidth is terrible. You either don't maximize dps and field a matching set of 5 mediums or 3 heavies  or field a scattered assortment of all types, which is ugly to see and use. You're drones don't stay together you have to stay right on top of them to tend to them as the heavies are too slow and the lights are extremely flimsy. The best alternative would be to drop the bandwidth down to 50mb/s and increase the bonus to 15% damage. The damage would remain the same as before but you're drones become much more organized and easier to manage. Your overall drone ehp would decrease but you would have addition room for different types or another set. It also puts the training time in line with the rest of the cruiser and battlecruiser hulls as drone boats were the only ones of these ships aside from the new tier3s that need to train a battleship weapon system (heavy drones and/or sentrys) in order to maximize dps. |
Spugg Galdon
Mak Mining Corp
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Posted - 2012.01.23 22:33:00 -
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Jon. You have some weird ideas.
Remember a lot of balance in the game comes from a lot of the factors you have just stated. You have to remember that there is a lot more to this game than DPS and EHP.
The speed and tracking of the drones must be considered and simply buffing 5 medium drones dps to that of 2heavies 2meds and a light is very short sighted
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Nekopyat
Nee-Co
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Posted - 2012.01.24 00:10:00 -
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While I am not sure about this particular suggestion, I admit I would like to see more done with drone boats.
For instance, for lasers/missiles/rails are is an upgrade path through maurders, but things pretty much stop at the Dominix when it comes to drones. I know there are carriers, but you can not exactly take those into hi sec... hrm.. maybe even a pocket carrer?
A drone-centric mining ship would also be nice.... stuff like that.
I think the existing ones though are fine, I would just like to see some new ones added ^_^ |
Vaurion Infara
Beyond Divinity Inc
Excuses.
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Posted - 2012.01.24 00:59:00 -
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Eh, I'm ok with this. +1 |
Jon Marburg
The Executioners
Merciless.
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Posted - 2012.01.24 01:13:00 -
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Spugg lol. I know there are a number of issues that need to be considered aside from dps and ehp, but as we know drone boats are extremely under used in situations outside of PVE (the same goes with ships with the active repair bonuses) and that is something I'd like to see changed. There should be a reason people want to fly the Eos, myrmidon, and vexor hulls and its not like medium drones are incredibly fast or do all that much damage anyways. I agree that the tracking and speed issues should be taken account when testing. But numerous changes need to be made to improve the balance in this game. No one race of ships should dominate the pvp field like they currently do. I feel this could give gallente a niche in which they can surpass minmatar ships in.
I'd also like to give newer players a reason to want to train gallente ships and their weapon systems aside from improving their ability to use Angel ships . If you look at training times to get a maximized myrmidon versus a drake or hurricane, the time is close to double, which shouldn't be the case. |
Bartholemu Fu-Baz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.24 01:39:00 -
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Definitely up for some boost to us poor drone operators.
This proposal could maybe use some testing. Not sure if this would help.
My observation is that drones are on the short range side, and we have slow drone boats. (Same problem as blasters, doubly nerfing Gallente.) Some additional control range might be helpful. |
Spugg Galdon
Mak Mining Corp
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Posted - 2012.01.24 12:57:00 -
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I have never had an issue with any drone boat in either pve or pvp. They are very good at doing them both. The only ship I don't like is the Eos. But that is simply a cost vs effectiveness issue which needs some balance.-á
The myrmidon at a push could drop a couple of turrets and have an extra 25 bandwidth and drone bay cause it lacks some utility highs that can be really useful. But it's still an exceptionally versatile ship and 1v1 beats the all powerful drake.-á
A mate of mine used to fly around in his active tanked Dominix and regularly take on and win solo vs gangs. I've seen him take on a mega, Dominix, two drakes and a raven and win. Simple t2 fit and no gang links or boosters.-á
There is next to nothing wrong with drone boats other than we would like more drone upgrade modules!
Also Jon. Please first post in the features and ideas forum with your ideas before posting in the assembly hall. The assembly hall is becoming very cluttered with random proposals that seem to have had little thought before being posted.-á |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:21:00 -
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Quote:Also Jon. Please first post in the features and ideas forum with your ideas before posting in the assembly hall. The assembly hall is becoming very cluttered with random proposals that seem to have had little thought before being posted.
Are you a moderator? No? Well, let people exercise their rights to post proposals (and this is a proposal) here, rather than a more generalised idea in F&I.
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa
Stark Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:20:00 -
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Came expecting a topic about un-nerfing gallente super carriers and boosting their carriers.
leaving disappointed. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:42:00 -
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The drone boats are pretty balanced as they stand. I'd like to see some more variety, and as said, they could use some further development as far as a direction to go other than carrier if you love your drones, but the current drone boats are very balanced. Use your imagination when fitting, and thing about the impact of your drones. Do you know how many different flights of drones a domi can carry?
Every experienced pvper and FC I have ever talked to has expressed a fear of drone boats. You can never know whats coming next, so its impossible to fit against them.
o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist..
KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
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Jon Marburg
The Executioners
Merciless.
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:37:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:The drone boats are pretty balanced as they stand. Use your imagination when fitting, and thing about the impact of your drones. Do you know how many different flights of drones a domi can carry? You may notice that I specifically wasn't talking about the Ishkur, Ishtar, or Dominix. These three ships are fine in as much as drone boats are considered GÇ£Working As IntendedGÇ¥ in the current state of game mechanics.
Tallian Saotome wrote:Every experienced pvper and FC I have ever talked to has expressed a fear of drone boats. You can never know whats coming next, so its impossible to fit against them. Yes, this is why you see fleets of drone boats rampaging the systems of Eve. Yeah, the Myrmidon and Dominix can be active tanking monsters, but this is an extremely niche role. This change could help move these ships out of this extremely limited niche and encourage their usage in larger fleet engagements.
A major issue is that both the cruiser and battlecruiser hulls for drone boats require not only training into two different weapon systems (guns and drones) but these ships are the only ships of their kind that also require training into a battleship size weapon (heavies/sentries) in order to maximize their potential. In addition, this "potential" is significantly below their counterparts when you consider all the issues and easy counters to drones.
The change included in this proposal is intended to help encourage new players into training into drone boats outside of the PVE environment as well as improve the usage of gallente hulls in the PVP environment by making more ships competitive with their Minmatar and Amarr counterparts in both solo and fleet engagements.
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