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Rukia Taika
Allied Operations Jokers Wild.
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Posted - 2012.03.16 06:17:00 -
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Xorv wrote:While I would prefer a solution to High Sec Incursions that involved adding player conflict and RP, such as allowing players to fight for the Sansha, there is another solution to this problem..
Have High Sec Incursions reward only Loyalty Points and give it a unique store where only new modules and ammo can be purchased that are only useful in Incursions PvE and have no value whatsoever to the rest of the game.
thats crazy talk! It would just shift people to running missions that are slowly getting nicer payouts then what they were. peolpe do these for multiple reasons. I have seen many of you 0.0 pilots in there farming them right along side to make isk to pay for your PVP ships. I know with the 0.0 sanctum/haven nerf has hurt the power blocks which i think was intentionally done by GOON CSM guys in hope of gaining a better foot hold since they cannot fly super caps. 10k rifter fleet. lol
all i gotta say is those whining about the incursions in how much folks make are crying like little school girls cause the empire guys got smart. just deal with it cause many of them do not wish to go out to low sec or null sec space.
The more you talk the more you look like a 2 year old. grow up. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
168
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:52:00 -
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Rukia Taika wrote:I have seen many of you 0.0 pilots in there farming them right along side to make isk to pay for your PVP ships. I'm not a 0.0 pilot.
Your right about level 4 missions in high sec, those should also be addressed, once Incursions is dealt with.
As to what's crazy... I might be the crazy one were EVE supposed to be a themepark MMO built around PvE. However as a player conflict driven Sandbox the craziness is having PvP free PvE that is even remotely competitive with PvE in areas where PvP is much more likely. In fact I can't think of another Sandbox MMO where there was any PvE free from PvP other than for day old newbie characters.
But you know if CCP Soundwave, or any of the other members of CCP that seem to defend Incursions wants to come here and tell me the official plan is for EVE to be a more of a Themepark type game where PvP is consensual and PvE and PvP are to be firewalled from one another, I'll just bow out and stop posting. Until then, you better come up with better arguments than calling me childish and making wild assumptions about me being 0.0 pilot. |
M1k3y Koontz
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
23
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Posted - 2012.03.16 20:48:00 -
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Moving incursions to lowsec would give lowsec SOMETHING worth visiting (which it really lacks now, though the Monolith near EVE Gate is pretty cool)
Also, Ending site spawning after the mothership spawn = Great idea, love it
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
78
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Posted - 2012.03.17 03:05:00 -
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How about fixing the fact that the only way to compete with a script using NINJA looter is to use a script yourself in the MOM fight? 70 versus 1 or 2 & the 1 or 2 get the loot 95%+ of the time... NAH they aint using a script its the game mechanics I guess that always allow that 1 person NOT FLEETED to get the loot repeatedly . HOW ABOUT MAKING THE NINJA LOOTERS RED TO THE ENTIRE FLEET? |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
168
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Posted - 2012.03.17 08:06:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:HOW ABOUT MAKING THE NINJA LOOTERS RED TO THE ENTIRE FLEET?
How about taking criminal flagging and the rest of that crap out of Incursions entirely for a true Sandbox experience!
PS I know you think using CAPS makes everything you say true, but I must tell you that the truth revealed by Bold and Italics trumps CAPS every time.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
78
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Posted - 2012.03.17 18:25:00 -
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Xorv wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:HOW ABOUT MAKING THE NINJA LOOTERS RED TO THE ENTIRE FLEET? How about taking criminal flagging and the rest of that crap out of Incursions entirely for a true Sandbox experience!PS I know you think using CAPS makes everything you say true, but I must tell you that the truth revealed by Bold and Italics trumps CAPS every time.
Criminal flagging has been taken out of many Incursions they are at the ones in NULL sec.. you can go there & have fun buddy |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
35
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Posted - 2012.03.18 15:28:00 -
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They are lucrative because they are 'grindable' .. the design goal was to make them as hard/challenging as possible (sleeper AI et al) if I recall.
All that needs be done is to introduce a wrench. The Sansha are attacking an entire constellation at a time with umpteen sites active at all times, are they as inept as the various navies in FW in that they don't know how to operate a comms device?
Wrench: When a site is 50-66% complete a distress call is made. RNG determines whether it is heeded, if it is then all Sansha from a nearby site warps to the aid of their comrades. Note: The nearby site may contain ships larger than what would normally spawn in site from which the SOS was sent! Result: - Some sites will never be able to be completed as the spawns relocate = contraction of ISK faucet. - Having a horde of disjointed 'gangs' doing their own sites will become hazardous as poddies will also have to aid one another. - Vanguard farming is made obsolete as long as larger sites are nearby. - The individual site becomes much more of a challenge as one never knows when/if reinforcements arrive so optimized.
Personally loathe the damn things, made half a billion in a few hours in LS Vanguards and turned from them in disgust (same as I have done with FW missions btw).
Words to live by: If it is not fun, then why do it? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
79
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Posted - 2012.03.18 17:17:00 -
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
79
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Posted - 2012.03.18 17:18:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida Words to live by: If it is not fun, then why do it? [/quote wrote:I agree & after a year I'm still having fun doing them... while I'm having fun I'll continue & hope U have fun too in your current Eve endevors too sir
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Andski
GoonWaffe
3219
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:39:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:How about fixing the fact that the only way to compete with a script using NINJA looter is to use a script yourself in the MOM fight? 70 versus 1 or 2 & the 1 or 2 get the loot 95%+ of the time... NAH they aint using a script its the game mechanics I guess that always allow that 1 person NOT FLEETED to get the loot repeatedly . HOW ABOUT MAKING THE NINJA LOOTERS RED TO THE ENTIRE FLEET?
shut up you bleating moron
this is a trade-off, you want to run incursions in the safety of highsec, you get to deal with ninja looters "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
937
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Posted - 2012.03.18 19:09:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Remove isk rewards entirely, increase LP payout and stop spawning/despawn any sites once the mom has spawned.
^^ This!
WoW... I agree with you
+ Sansha rats everywhere. On gates + stations + moons and planets + belts (would love to see all botts and afkers dead because of this ) (they must re-spawn) Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470-á |
Evgeneia
Sanguis Rosa Vicious OuTLaW
0
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Posted - 2012.03.19 07:00:00 -
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concord disappear at incursion system.
sansha invasioned... and concord? :D |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
426
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Posted - 2012.03.19 09:48:00 -
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Easy
Get rid of CONCORD response in empire
Fixed. Risk/Reward etc.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Deriah Book
Fox Clan Inari Kimon
9
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Posted - 2012.03.19 19:18:00 -
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Didn't read the entire thread yet, so much will probably be redundant. But I have a hearty suggestion based on my opinion that incursions are a vital part of EVE.
Things about EVE that I knew nothing about before running incursions: * Fleet composition - the difference and mechanics of boost vs. command. * Offgrid boost ships. * Fleet composition - the roles of different ship and fitting possibilities. * Slot 6-10 implants. * As a Minmatar toon I could train other racial skills. * Using remote mods, such as cap transfers. * How to set up my overview - Tags and being able to move columns coming to mind first. * How to D-Scan immediate space. * EVE voice structure in fleet. * The LP store. * Aggression rules.
Things that incursioning really opened up for me: * Understanding of non meta 0-5 mods. * Webbing, tracking, optimal and falloff, ammo types... etc. * Fitting in general. * Fleet discipline. * Using jump clones. * Using the remapping facility. * The ability to afford more expensive ships to lose. * ...and... The Big One
The Big One
My girlfriend and I started incursions after having played EVE for about a year. We got the idea from a single corp member. The rest of our small corp had not considered incursions yet. We started in Maelstroms in pick-up fleets and worked our way up to shiny Machariels in elite fleets. The rest of our corp started seeing the iskies we were bringing in and we trained them to fly incursions. Now the whole corps are incursion veterans.
Our entire corp speaks with each other daily on Vent. We always have. We have been in wormhole space my entire EVE career. We also operate in highsec and lowsec regularly. We have been through a few formal and informal alliances. Here's where I get to the point: Each of us, to the last man and woman, were genuinely under the impression that EVE was populated by psychopaths. We really had no faith, whatsoever, that anyone else playing the game had any social or ethical merit at all. We saw all other players as functionally inept, at least semi-trog, anti socials. And it kind of makes sense that we saw it that way. EVE etiquette usually dictates either smack talk or complete silence in PVP interactions.
Incursions brought us to fly with, and voice chat with those very people that we never before had any real interaction with. Incursions opened up EVE to us in ways we never imagined. Our understanding that nearly everyone else in EVE is just like us - children and grownups enjoying the best MMO ever made. It has made us more willing to engage in PVP, explore freely sectors of space we normally otherwise avoided, and have a greater sense of community in the conflicts that are daily life in EVE. We are genuinely enjoying EVE more and are more engaged in the sandbox and incursions can be directly related to a small but vital shift in our attitudes.
Another added benefit is the ISK. As a small corp we are always struggling to figure out where the next carrier or rorq is going to come from. Small corps have a really hard time with the more pricey aspects of EVE. I think incursions, like higher level mission, sleepers, ratting, and PVP add a necessary flow of income for those players who do not own large swaths of nullsec. That being said, we just built two carriers and a rorq and not one isk of it came from incursions. We actually liken incursioning to ice mining. Grinding incursions can become quite tiresome and there is so much more to EVE we just consider it "another" activity to keep us interested.
My girlfriend and I just moved in real life. We didn't budget well and if it weren't for incursion isk we would not have EVE accounts right now. Bonus!
My point after all this is that incursions are one of the best things in EVE. Level 4 and 5 missions, sleepers, plexes... all those things *could* teach players the lessons about how big and functional EVE really is, could get players to interact with each other in the general public, but they don't because there is no motivation. ISK. ISK is the motivation that brings players together.
I don't think payouts should be lowered. I even like the idea of increasing them for the larger fleets. I do like the ideas about decreasing payouts as the incursion goes on, forcing earlier mom kills. Mom withdrawals is a cool idea too.
But I have an idea to add to those and all the other truly productive suggestions regarding incursions.
Make an absolute Sansha Kill Rate. 1.3% or whatever. Randomize it so you don't know when it's coming. But in every incursion site vangaurd and above introduce additional spawns that will, without question, kill 90% of the fleet. Set the rate to take no more than a reasonable percentage of all incursion fleets over a given period. But make it so that when you decide to incursion, you know you're going to lose at some point.
Shiny fleets will completely disappear.
Personally, I would like to see Sansha actually capture some of us. On day you are incursioning, the next day you disappear of the radar. You're corpies are wondering where you are and every time you log into EVE your only option is to fly a Sansha ship and die to the hands of your brethren until someone who cares enough hunts you down and rescues you.
I know that would never fly. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
83
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Posted - 2012.03.19 19:44:00 -
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Deriah Book wrote:* ...and... The Big One
The Big One
My girlfriend and I started incursions after having played EVE for about a year. We got the idea from a single corp member. (snip) My girlfriend and I just moved in real life. We didn't budget well and if it weren't for incursion isk we would not have EVE accounts right now. Bonus!
(snip) Personally, I would like to see Sansha actually capture some of us. One day you are incursioning, the next day you disappear of the radar. You're corpies are wondering where you are and every time you log into EVE your only option is to fly a Sansha ship and die at the hands of your brethren until someone who cares enough hunts you down and rescues you.
I know that would never fly.
lol Incursions brought 2 people together if you NERF Incursions CCP they will drift apart or Divorce DON'T BREAK UP A RL RELATIONSHIP BY GETTING RID OF INCURSIONS
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Deriah Book
Fox Clan Inari Kimon
10
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Posted - 2012.03.19 19:51:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Deriah Book wrote:* ...and... The Big One
The Big One....
lol Incursions brought 2 people together if you NERF Incursions CCP they will drift apart or Divorce DON'T BREAK UP A RL RELATIONSHIP BY GETTING RID OF INCURSIONS
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that we met in incursions. I could have left her out of the story. I'm just remembering it how it went down. The Big One is that our corp were genuinely surprised by our interaction with other players. Maybe even you.
For that, we are thankful. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
83
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Posted - 2012.03.19 20:00:00 -
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Deriah Book wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Deriah Book wrote:* ...and... The Big One
The Big One....
lol Incursions brought 2 people together if you NERF Incursions CCP they will drift apart or Divorce DON'T BREAK UP A RL RELATIONSHIP BY GETTING RID OF INCURSIONS Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that we met in incursions. I could have left her out of the story. I'm just remembering it how it went down. The Big One is that our corp were genuinely surprised by our interaction with other players. Maybe even you. For that, we are thankful. :) i WAS BEING a bit of a facetious troll but meant it to be funny We've probably competed for sites I'm an evil armor FC |
Deriah Book
Fox Clan Inari Kimon
10
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Posted - 2012.03.19 20:06:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Deriah Book wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Deriah Book wrote:* ...and... The Big One
The Big One....
lol Incursions brought 2 people together if you NERF Incursions CCP they will drift apart or Divorce DON'T BREAK UP A RL RELATIONSHIP BY GETTING RID OF INCURSIONS Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that we met in incursions. I could have left her out of the story. I'm just remembering it how it went down. The Big One is that our corp were genuinely surprised by our interaction with other players. Maybe even you. For that, we are thankful. :) i WAS BEING a bit of a facetious troll but meant it to be funny We've probably competed for sites I'm an evil armor FC You've GOT A GREAT POINT the Incursions have brought alot of peeps together & have added to the social parts of Eve MMO... without Incursions too many would be just doing solo missioning
lol. whoops.
You get the NCOs, we'll clear the OTAs for ya. But next time, you drop the ore. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
83
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:09:00 -
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Deriah Book wrote: lol. whoops. Going back through and reading the thread now. It is quite funny at points.
You get the NCOs, we'll clear the OTAs for ya. But next time, you drop the ore.
I would but I can't get the @#$!!! logi to fit a AB in my fleets!!! Thats why u guys keep dropping the ore b4 me fleets...Dealing with logi is like CAT herding in the extreme |
Ana'Gia
Pink Bunny Club
1
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:36:00 -
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TBH i havnt read the entire thread. I just like to post my idea of incursion Pros - Nice PVE Content - You only can do it in a grou - meeting new folk Negative - VGs are really to eas - bigger sites should be more profitabl
How it should be - VG Fleets are too easy(make them harder 3 mins per site is a laugh - HQ fleets should be the most profitable sites (ISK/hour -HQ>Assault>Vanguard - get rid of staging Vanguard assault hq systems- Fleets need to look for their prefered site in the whole constellatio - so each system can have 2 vg sites, 2 Assault , 2 HQ Site - this makes VG fleets less efective and players look for bigger fleet |
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Rukia Taika
Allied Operations Jokers Wild.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.21 07:21:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Deriah Book wrote: lol. whoops. Going back through and reading the thread now. It is quite funny at points.
You get the NCOs, we'll clear the OTAs for ya. But next time, you drop the ore.
I would but I can't get the @#$!!! logi to fit a AB in my fleets!!! Thats why u guys keep dropping the ore b4 me fleets...Dealing with logi is like CAT herding in the extreme
Dude you forgot something. when they join fleet the logi need to have an AB. sadly i know many do not only a select few. your good FC man. maybe telling the ore dropper to start his run a little early if he has no ab |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.21 10:04:00 -
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Leave Incursions as they are now. Alot of people get together form up a fleet, make isk, make LP and have fun.
There's nothing broken with current scheme. I was doing incursions with alot of people from whole world and it was very fun and entertaining.
So don't fix anything it is very good as it is, was for 2 years now. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
559
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Posted - 2012.03.21 12:05:00 -
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Spc One wrote:Leave Incursions as they are now. Alot of people get together form up a fleet, make isk, make LP and have fun.
There's nothing broken with current scheme. I was doing incursions with alot of people from whole world and it was very fun and entertaining.
So don't fix anything it is very good as it is, was for 2 years now. Again, you're trying to fix something that isn't broken. Incursions are getting rebalanced, to late to stop that now.
You should just be pushing for a value redistribution instead of them nerfing them into the ground, that way you get to keep running them, and even have a reason to complete them as fast as possible
Or you can keep fighting a battle thats already lost, and complain about how they don't need it(hint: they do need a value redistribution, they should not be profitable to farm) Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Ammzi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
864
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Posted - 2012.03.21 15:52:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote: was for 2 years now.
This is why CCP shouldn't listen to you. You don't even know how long incursions have been out. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
87
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:28:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Spc One wrote:Leave Incursions as they are now. Alot of people get together form up a fleet, make isk, make LP and have fun.
There's nothing broken with current scheme. I was doing incursions with alot of people from whole world and it was very fun and entertaining.
So don't fix anything it is very good as it is, was for 2 years now. Again, you're trying to fix something that isn't broken. Incursions are getting rebalanced, to late to stop that now. )
Oh? What birdy told you that there will be a NERF (or a BUF for that matter)? lol I've seen 1 or 2 comments by CCP employees about Incursions & hundreds of peeps interpreting these comments the way THEY WANT TO HEAR IT. I have not seen anything written in stone. I saw one comment by a CCP employee saying there MAY be changes comming soon. Soon could mean a month or six months ( or literally in the month of MAY :) or whenever we get around to it after more pressing issues.
I'll laugh i the self fullfilling prophecy you are trying to create blows up in your face & makes U MAD BRO! |
DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
87
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:37:00 -
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Rukia Taika wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Deriah Book wrote: lol. whoops. Going back through and reading the thread now. It is quite funny at points.
You get the NCOs, we'll clear the OTAs for ya. But next time, you drop the ore.
I would but I can't get the @#$!!! logi to fit a AB in my fleets!!! Thats why u guys keep dropping the ore b4 me fleets...Dealing with logi is like CAT herding in the extreme Dude you forgot something. when they join fleet the logi need to have an AB. sadly i know many do not only a select few. your good FC man. maybe telling the ore dropper to start his run a little early if he has no ab
lol like I believe the fits they post are always the actual fits in the ship they are flying :) Beggers can't be choosers & usually I'm begging for logi ( except last night when I was forced to have a fleet with 5 logi & 4 DPS because there were no DPS xing up ) all the logi xing up are MINE? MINe! mInE ... MINE mine, MINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINE MINE MINE MINEMINE MINE MINEMINE MINE MINEMINE MINE MINEMINE MINE MINEMINE MINE MINEMINE MINE MINEMINE MINE MINEMINE MINE MINE |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.21 19:55:00 -
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Ah. CCP just remove incursions they're too annoying.
That will solve everything. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
559
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Posted - 2012.03.21 20:11:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote: was for 2 years now.
This is why CCP shouldn't listen to you. You don't even know how long incursions have been out. Nice misquote. I have never posted that text(just did a quick search to double check )
If you are gonna try to discredit someone, at least use the truth. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
88
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Posted - 2012.03.21 20:46:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Ammzi wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote: was for 2 years now.
This is why CCP shouldn't listen to you. You don't even know how long incursions have been out. Nice misquote. I have never posted that text(just did a quick search to double check ) If you are gonna try to discredit someone, at least use the truth.
Confirming that you cannot use the edit feature to change what you previously wrote in the Forums Also confirming that Amzi/Krissada has never wronged anyone in Eve before Also confirming that people in the Eve forums have never misquoted anyone Also confirming that no one (especially me ;) has ever made a mistake in taking out the quotes in the parsing of replies of a quote within a quote... lol |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
560
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Posted - 2012.03.22 06:01:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Ammzi wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote: was for 2 years now.
This is why CCP shouldn't listen to you. You don't even know how long incursions have been out. Nice misquote. I have never posted that text(just did a quick search to double check ) If you are gonna try to discredit someone, at least use the truth. Confirming that you cannot use the edit feature to change what you previously wrote in the Forums Also confirming that Amzi/Krissada has never wronged anyone in Eve before Also confirming that people in the Eve forums have never misquoted anyone Also confirming that no one (especially me ;) has ever made a mistake in taking out the quotes in the parsing of replies of a quote within a quote... lol psst! You can look up what people have edited out if you have the right tools. Google can help ya ;)
And if you are gonna impugn my character, there are many ways to do so that totally do not involve lying about me, I don't care enough about what people think of me to hide unsavory facts about myself.
Just enough that if you think I am scum I want it to be based on the truth, not some ****** who can't figure out who said what. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
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