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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
97
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Posted - 2012.04.03 21:36:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Otebski wrote:A lot of ppl covered balancing isk and sansha. I have one wish.
Remove please the **** hue filter from incursion systems. It looks horrible. If you need some visual representations add fires to plants, WHs appearing in space, Concord convoys around stations in high sec.. Whatever. Just please remove the **** hue.
Concord CONVOYs being attacked by Sansha & burning planets with multiple WH's to SANSHA NPC space would be a cool idea +1
This would be very cool. However I think any change to this would probably have to wait until the V3 upgrades are done. The ability to do proper lighting effects would really be the only way to have that same sort of system under assault effect.
ReptilesBlade wrote:I run incursions almost exclusively these days. Most of them VGs. I could live with something like this with maybe a slight LP payout boost.
If the payout went down more than 15-20% I would consider quitting Eve because Incursions and the new friends I have made running them are the only things keeping me playing this game right now.
Hence, increase challenge instead of reducing payout. I don't know about more people, but I find variety alot more enjoyable than farming. Farming for low isk is still farming. Same isk per hour, but with an unknown challenge that takes a bit more is really the way to go. I have been calling for it for, well, since last spring. Almost a year. |
ReptilesBlade
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
16
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Posted - 2012.04.04 06:12:00 -
[542] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Otebski wrote:A lot of ppl covered balancing isk and sansha. I have one wish.
Remove please the **** hue filter from incursion systems. It looks horrible. If you need some visual representations add fires to plants, WHs appearing in space, Concord convoys around stations in high sec.. Whatever. Just please remove the **** hue.
Concord CONVOYs being attacked by Sansha & burning planets with multiple WH's to SANSHA NPC space would be a cool idea +1 This would be very cool. However I think any change to this would probably have to wait until the V3 upgrades are done. The ability to do proper lighting effects would really be the only way to have that same sort of system under assault effect. ReptilesBlade wrote:I run incursions almost exclusively these days. Most of them VGs. I could live with something like this with maybe a slight LP payout boost.
If the payout went down more than 15-20% I would consider quitting Eve because Incursions and the new friends I have made running them are the only things keeping me playing this game right now. Hence, increase challenge instead of reducing payout. I don't know about more people, but I find variety alot more enjoyable than farming. Farming for low isk is still farming. Same isk per hour, but with an unknown challenge that takes a bit more is really the way to go. I have been calling for it for, well, since last spring. Almost a year.
I could live with slightly increased difficulty and be happy with that as well. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
133
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:12:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote: Hence, increase challenge instead of reducing payout. I don't know about more people, but I find variety alot more enjoyable than farming. Farming for low isk is still farming. Same isk per hour, but with an unknown challenge that takes a bit more is really the way to go. I have been calling for it for, well, since last spring. Almost a year.
CCP HAS A HISTORY of leaving things unfinished. I guess Eve is meant to be open ended & "unfinished" but it doesn't mean the open ended content should be ignored some polishing would easily give old things more shine. CCP did that with faction warfare & now after a few years its getting some love again. I hope CCP sees letting the PvE content stagnate is a mistake & wraps up the Sansha Incursion ( PLEASE PLEASE GIVE US A SANSHA TITAN TO FIGHT IN AMARR ) And a new pirate or jovian or sleeper Incursion 'iterates' An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta the Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's-á crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'-á |
Fractal Muse
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:38:00 -
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Changes that I'd like to see in Incursions after having run them for a little while:
- Make them mean something
It's nice that incursions have been happening but they haven't actually... done anything. I like that the sansha are stupid and stubborn enough to continue to waste energy / ISK / and time on brutally failed attempts to invade but, seriously, something needs to change.
- Increase the risk factor to equal the payout
In all of the vanguard incursion sites I ran I only experienced one ship loss. I suspect, although I'm not certain, that a newly replaced logi pilot was AFKing or simply not repping. The funny thing is, we lost a ship, and still had no problems finishing up the site. This wasn't even a 'shiny' fleet or anything. Sites are too easy for what we get out of them. Either make vanguards stronger - requiring really expensive ships with a lot of SP invested into them (including logis so no more logi 4s) or reduce their payouts.
- Introduce randomness to incursion sites
Part of the reason sites are so easy is because they are constantly the same. Anyone can go to a website that has "Fleet Command" instructions and literally put together a pick-up group of strangers and successfully run vanguards. That's crazy to me. Even other MMOs weren't that easy to raid at first. Now they are and for those random stranger groups they give out less rewards than the standard run. EVE should follow that.
That's my quick list.
Just to expand on the first point because that's the issue that bothers me the most: Incursions feel to me as if they were going to be some sort of introduction to a new element of EVE online - a move towards greater rewards for working together in the game other than PvP and sovereignty. I thought it was a great first step but, now, it's just continuing as it is. As it is, it is too easy and too predictable.
People running incursions aren't thinking or really paying much attention. Someone can FC an incursion simply by opening up a website in the background and following it word for word. That's wrong at so many levels for the reward generated.
I would like to see the sansha give up or pull out or rethink their effort. It makes no sense to continue to do the same thing over and over and over and failing so bad for such a protracted length of time. I would love to see incursions iterate with each "expansion" so that every six months or so people actually have to learn how to run them again. This learning phase would likely last a month or two and then the incursions would be "farmed" as they are now.
If rewards scale downwards with the number of successful completions then those who try to learn incursions will be greatly rewarded whereby those who wait until the learning phase is over and jump onto the bandwagon will find that their rewards are roughly equivalent to something like Level 4 mission running. I think that's a fair ISK / hour mark for something that is being farmed with very little risk.
The larger incursion sites should pay out a little more and could do with some more complexity in how they react. They are still fairly easy to do and I regularly see fleets with a lot of badly fit ships and low skill pilots. I don't mind that, in fact, I like it a lot, but the payout needs to be lower since the risk is much lower as well.
Please, at the very least, change up incursions every six months to interrupt the 'farming' of them. Once anything reaches a farm mode then it's time for a change or time to introduce something better while reducing the efficiency of the ISK per hour. |
KanashiiKami
99
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:20:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Markus Reese wrote: Hence, increase challenge instead of reducing payout. I don't know about more people, but I find variety alot more enjoyable than farming. Farming for low isk is still farming. Same isk per hour, but with an unknown challenge that takes a bit more is really the way to go. I have been calling for it for, well, since last spring. Almost a year.
CCP HAS A HISTORY of leaving things unfinished. I guess Eve is meant to be open ended & "unfinished" but it doesn't mean the open ended content should be ignored some polishing would easily give old things more shine. CCP did that with faction warfare & now after a few years its getting some love again. I hope CCP sees letting the PvE content stagnate is a mistake & wraps up the Sansha Incursion ( PLEASE PLEASE GIVE US A SANSHA TITAN TO FIGHT IN AMARR ) And a new pirate or jovian or sleeper Incursion 'iterates'
or it could mean, CCP is too busy with other things, so they decide to make war escalation between players a priority. for 1 they do not need to create "new" content, because now players become the content itself and never runs out until every1 unsubs. everyone gets sooo busy with each other, it becomes a misdirection? *shakes head*
bad move CCP, cmon .... is that all you want subbers to get? WUT ??? |
KanashiiKami
99
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:48:00 -
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this was the idea i suggested many strip mining cycles ago ... (with some edits)
1) rework sizes for max number of pilots in a fleet VG - 8 AS - 14 HQ - 28 MOM- 50
why? smaller fleet sizes = faster fleet forming, improves the waiting time to play time. subscribers like more play time and not wait time. however this will increase the difficulty of a site run. sansha reppers now repair at 10% of their original capacity.
2) contesting site isk/LP should be shared according to total damage % dealt into site. this will help lower skilled fleets to enjoy the game instead of being constantly run over by fleets oversized with highly skilled DPS. is this a nerf to elite fleets? i do not see it that way, on the other hand, by doing so, a fleet will know how much more/less dps they did in a contest.
will this introduce more poorly skilled players into incursions? fact--> we are all poorly skilled once, it is up to the FC to select and form his fleet and sort out who he should have on his team. if he chooses a lesser skilled to run with, the fleet will have to live with it or hop to other fleets. fact --> with a smaller fleet size due to point 1. most private fleets will not have a problem as their key is to run with familiar and trusted pilots.
3) with down sizing of fleet size, total sansha DPS output dealt to playerbase should decrease accordingly to ensure playability of sites
VG - -10% sansha total dps AS - -15% sansha total dps HQ - -20% sansha total dps MOM- -25% sansha total dps
4) with reduced DPS, ALL sites should introduce an extra special spawn that must be destroyed for site completion. new spawn introduced i will suggest be triggered after 2nd last site trigger is in effect.
the spawn will consist of 1xsmartbomb armed sansha cruiser (SB strength = 2.5x of a T2 medium SB @ 25km radius effect going at a 10 second interval), 1xsensordampener armed frig, that can target 2 simultaneous targets to cause 500% t2 scripted sensor dampening effect @ 15s interval range of 50km, 1xremoteshieldrep armed cruiser that will effect 500% remote rep capabilities of a med T2 remote shield rep on 1 target @ 15s interval. this spawn is a unique grp and will move in a formation no further than 5km from each other.
this spawns per sites:
VG - 1 spawn AS - 2 spawns HQ - 3 spawns MOM- 4 spawns
yes the repping capability might prove to be a challenge for beyond VG sites, and it is this therefore that will "prove" as a checking "trigger" of the minimum amount of dps a fleet should have and therefore the rep % should be tweaked according to real fleets nominal dps, the 500% i have suggested is an arbituary value it could be 1000% or 200% for all i know.
5) most of the above seem like more of a debuff to sansha spawns, therefore i will like to suggest all sansha spawns recieve their own combat booster/buffing BS hulled ship (non attacking passive entity) that will do the following non stacking bonuses: VG - +200% shield HP AS - +120% shield HP HQ - +80% shield HP MOM- +50% shield HP this combat booster ship should be rendered invulnerable with shield resistances of 99%. and EHP +1000% of normal sansha spawn. it may be plausible that this unit will become prime target in mom/HQ fleets.
with the increased HP, the role of the sansha remote repping ships should now be nerfed to only rep @ 10% capacity.
6) with the increased overall EHP of sansha + extra spawn. it is only natural that the site will now take ALOT MORE time to complete than usual. and therefore it is only logical that bounties of ISK/LP increase, and by that i would mean
100% of bounties across VG 110% for AS sites 120% increase for HQ site 150% increase for MOM site.
MOM site no longer drops loot. but all MOM site pilot now recieve a tradable special insignia token that can be exchanged for special concord named items (that could be the random loot from the SC + some insane amt of LP?). CCP may choose to make this item seasonal?
7) reconfiguration of a incursion cluster
each incursion spawn should now be as follows VG - 80 sites (spread over 10 to 12 systems) AS - 12 sites (spread over 5 systems) HQ - 6 sites (spread over 3 systems) MOM- 2-3 sites (spread over 2 systems) CCP may choose to add 1 TITAN site?
and there is now only 1 hisec site, 1 losec, 1 nullsec. and each site can spawn over 3-5 adjoining constellations instead of 1.
50% of all initial spawned VG must be destoyed at least once to spawn AS sites, or wait 5days for AS auto spawn
100% of all initial spawned AS must be destoyed at least once to spawn HQ sites, or wait 7 days for HQ auto spawn
100% of all initial spawned HQ must be destoyed at least once to spawn MOM sites, or wait 9 days for MOM auto spawn. when MOM sites spawn, constellation wide all stargate, stations and VG/AS/HQ site-warpgates will be harrassed by a splash of 5-10 orkashu myelens, they do nothing but harrass players (and concord) with ecm. server restarts will spawn the rats if they are destroyed. players will now see concord and sansha random spawns fighting on each other over warp gates
all MOM sites must be destroyed to end the incursion and trigger LP payout. and MOM sites withdrawal time is set to countdown in 9 days. which means an entire incursion spawn will last maximum 18 full days.
when MOM site spawns, VG sites will reduce spawn rate to up to 40 sites instead of 80, AS and HQ sites will despawn.
with the reduced fleet sized groupings, it is hoped to encourage more pilots to try AS/HQ sites.
with the increased number of pilots going into incursions, it is only logical that sansha now sends in more troops to occupy "our" space.
the above changes is hoped to encourage, a more focused fleet activity rather than just bulldozing thru sites. overall i would say difficulty of sites is increased. while survivability of sites is also up.
any thoughts any 1 ?
WUT ??? |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
434
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:49:00 -
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Add some PVP content to highsec incursions. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
100
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:49:00 -
[548] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Add some PVP content to highsec incursions. Such as? |
KanashiiKami
99
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:54:00 -
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additional
all incursion sites spawn at the edge of the solar system WUT ??? |
KanashiiKami
99
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:55:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Add some PVP content to highsec incursions.
goto losec/null incursion space ? it will definately be pawnographic :p WUT ??? |
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YuuKnow
The Long Kiss Goodnight
178
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Posted - 2012.04.06 09:41:00 -
[551] - Quote
I vote to leave things are they are now.
yk |
The Pteradactyl
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 10:01:00 -
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Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:delete highsec
Incursions should be low sec only. |
baltec1
1040
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Posted - 2012.04.06 10:04:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Add some PVP content to highsec incursions. Such as?
Sansha allies can attack anyone killing an incursion freely? |
Marduk Nibiru
Risk Breakers C0NVICTED
153
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Posted - 2012.04.06 10:09:00 -
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Make them like they are in 0.0....mean as ****
Get a few carebears being ganked by NPC rats at gates and let the tear flood begin!
I know I cried a little, mostly from embarrassment, when I had my sphincter ripped in half trying to get through an incursion constellation in my cane and watched it melt in mere seconds...by red pluses of all things!!!
I think more hisec players should benefit from this character growing experience. |
KanashiiKami
99
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Posted - 2012.04.06 15:08:00 -
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Fractal Muse wrote:Changes that I'd like to see in Incursions after having run them for a little while:
- Make them mean something
It's nice that incursions have been happening but they haven't actually... done anything. I like that the sansha are stupid and stubborn enough to continue to waste energy / ISK / and time on brutally failed attempts to invade but, seriously, something needs to change.
- Increase the risk factor to equal the payout
In all of the vanguard incursion sites I ran I only experienced one ship loss. I suspect, although I'm not certain, that a newly replaced logi pilot was AFKing or simply not repping. The funny thing is, we lost a ship, and still had no problems finishing up the site. This wasn't even a 'shiny' fleet or anything. Sites are too easy for what we get out of them. Either make vanguards stronger - requiring really expensive ships with a lot of SP invested into them (including logis so no more logi 4s) or reduce their payouts.
- Introduce randomness to incursion sites
Part of the reason sites are so easy is because they are constantly the same. Anyone can go to a website that has "Fleet Command" instructions and literally put together a pick-up group of strangers and successfully run vanguards. That's crazy to me. Even other MMOs weren't that easy to raid at first. Now they are and for those random stranger groups they give out less rewards than the standard run. EVE should follow that.
That's my quick list. Just to expand on the first point because that's the issue that bothers me the most: Incursions feel to me as if they were going to be some sort of introduction to a new element of EVE online - a move towards greater rewards for working together in the game other than PvP and sovereignty. I thought it was a great first step but, now, it's just continuing as it is. As it is, it is too easy and too predictable. People running incursions aren't thinking or really paying much attention. Someone can FC an incursion simply by opening up a website in the background and following it word for word. That's wrong at so many levels for the reward generated. I would like to see the sansha give up or pull out or rethink their effort. It makes no sense to continue to do the same thing over and over and over and failing so bad for such a protracted length of time. I would love to see incursions iterate with each "expansion" so that every six months or so people actually have to learn how to run them again. This learning phase would likely last a month or two and then the incursions would be "farmed" as they are now. If rewards scale downwards with the number of successful completions then those who try to learn incursions will be greatly rewarded whereby those who wait until the learning phase is over and jump onto the bandwagon will find that their rewards are roughly equivalent to something like Level 4 mission running. I think that's a fair ISK / hour mark for something that is being farmed with very little risk. The larger incursion sites should pay out a little more and could do with some more complexity in how they react. They are still fairly easy to do and I regularly see fleets with a lot of badly fit ships and low skill pilots. I don't mind that, in fact, I like it a lot, but the payout needs to be lower since the risk is much lower as well. Please, at the very least, change up incursions every six months to interrupt the 'farming' of them. Once anything reaches a farm mode then it's time for a change or time to introduce something better while reducing the efficiency of the ISK per hour.
i really like your ideas ... i hope CCp take your ideas n also some of my ideas ... WUT ??? |
Red Teufel
Blackened Skies THE UNTHINKABLES
48
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Posted - 2012.04.06 15:18:00 -
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I think it's fine the way it is. |
KanashiiKami
99
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Posted - 2012.04.06 15:21:00 -
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some partial requotes from above Make them mean something CCP did get some people to write scifi stories, but everything does not tie up in game. and i do not think the stories are very well ... plotted out for a game ...
Increase the risk factor to equal the payout i have quite alot o fideas on this, but i think right now CCP have a big problem with inferno ... (now now how wud i know this? hahaha)
Introduce randomness to incursion sites i do not think CCP have a random engine for PVE or that or they are trying to make incursion boring so that IT does not become the centre of attraction of the game. they want us to look at inferno ....
so IMO it has come to this, most roll out i have seen are always incomplete, and always in need of numerous bug fixes, etc. and before things get done well, the next roll out gets on the train tracks and over rides all previous fixes priorities ...
which is = a very bad work flow for programmers in CCP.
it is 1 thing to keep your programmer occupied, and it is another thing to do each roll out right CCP.
cmon u guys, you have a internal war on your hands created by yourself, surely you can do better to grab the attention of more subbers? there is Sooooo much space in EVE for more players ... WUT ??? |
KanashiiKami
99
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Posted - 2012.04.06 15:52:00 -
[558] - Quote
in addition to post #544
if an incursion spawn (total of 100 sites fully spawned after 9 days) is not being countered by player based forces by the 14th day (at least 80% of sites must be attacked/overrun succesfully, there should therefore be a "meter" to show how many of the 100 sites have been over run by players).
a full spawn of OTA+NCO will appear 250km off every system warp/star gate, a full spawn of assault will appear 250km off every NPC station, 3 random roaming HQ sansha fleet will spawn on the 15th day and randomly warp about planetary customs offices and start destroying them, they will also randomly destroy concord gate guns, station guns, etc. the spawn will have a initial targetting delay of 120seconds (or otherwise player aggressed).
if players/NPC are aggressed by sansha in hisec, concord will spawn a 10 ship fleet to randomly combat the sansha (the concord spawn will ultimately die, CCP will need to tweak the spawn to ensure this).
when the random HQ fleet spawns, the system star is the only safe warp to spot to avoid the random HQ attacks.
on the 18th day if player intervention does not qualify to defeat the sansha system incursion. all player and NPC structures will be destroyed. (this includes outposts constructed by players ! hahahaha hows this for a game changing mechanic?)
3 days after the complete decimation, NPC structures will respawn
players will need to rebuild their shxt. CCP may choose to allow concord insurance reimbursement for these ...
how this for some extension?
some times it kinda pains me that players have to give CCP ideas instead of just play a well scripted game LOL
WUT ??? |
KanashiiKami
99
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Posted - 2012.04.06 23:06:00 -
[559] - Quote
addition
on 19th day sansha starts to systematically decimate systems
progress bar in each system will show a queue which system sansha has prioritized to decimate.
sansha will progress to decimate 2 systems per day. untill entire incursion cluster is destroyed by them ...
i wonder, have i added too much? lol WUT ??? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
136
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Posted - 2012.04.07 01:49:00 -
[560] - Quote
Marduk Nibiru wrote:Make them like they are in 0.0....mean as ****
Get a few carebears being ganked by NPC rats at gates and let the tear flood begin!
I know I cried a little, mostly from embarrassment, when I had my sphincter ripped in half trying to get through an incursion constellation in my cane and watched it melt in mere seconds...by red pluses of all things!!!
I think more hisec players should benefit from this character growing experience.
Sansha gate camps in HI sec would be great +1 An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta the Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's-á crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'-á |
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Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.04.07 03:14:00 -
[561] - Quote
I propose a new feature that automatically purchases the most recent grade clone the player had previously purchased when they get podded. This would reduce one of the more tedious and unnecessary aspects of pvp and remove something that is somewhat unnecessarily punishing. This feature could be toggled on or off as an option. The current clone pricing structure could remain the same or even be increased to reflect a premium cloning service.
Essentially, when someone with a Beta clone gets podded they automatically revive in whatever appropriate station with a new Beta level clone and the cost of the new Beta clone is automatically deducted from the player's wallet.
This would be a small but significant quality of life improvement to help ease the sting of defeat and get the immortal pod jockey back to the action sooner rather than later.
Thank you for your consideration. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
144
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Posted - 2012.04.10 20:23:00 -
[562] - Quote
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28587 seems to be a more quick fix bandaide. The 10% nerf to Vanguard payouts looks striaght outa CCP Soundwaves' Ten Ton Hammer interview. Expect on either the 24th or a little later when drone bounties ISK faucet DWARF incursion payouts ALL BOUNTIES will see a 10% across the board reduction as Hyperinflation really takes a bite... Interesting times indeed An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta the Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's-á crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'-á |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
144
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Posted - 2012.04.10 20:49:00 -
[563] - Quote
OK CCP announced the nerf parts o Escalation in a DEV blog what about the part where Assaults are going to be sped up: http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/features/ According to this Assaults will be sped up... Only way I see them speeding up assaults is to cut NCNs or to remove a room rom the NCNs. As it is NCN's stacking are the death of near 100% assault fleets anymore. I can't keep a leet going because they take longer to finish then HQ's and almost pay 1/2 An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta the Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's-á crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'-á |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
144
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Posted - 2012.04.10 22:02:00 -
[564] - Quote
If I read the following correctly http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28587 the Incursion nerf will be a 10% Vanguard ISK reduction and a spawning change. I predict the spawning change if/when done in/correctly is going to cause OTA's to stack up again like the NCN's stack in Assault systems. Appears to me the shield fleet doctorine is REALLY going to take a hit in the redisgned Vanguard sites if what I fear is true An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta the Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's-á crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'-á |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
164
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Posted - 2012.04.25 07:13:00 -
[565] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:If I read the following correctly http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28587 the Incursion nerf will be a 10% Vanguard ISK reduction and a spawning change. I predict the spawning change if/when done in/correctly is going to cause OTA's to stack up again like the NCN's stack in Assault systems. Appears to me the shield fleet doctorine is REALLY going to take a hit in the redisgned Vanguard sites if what I fear is true
lol looks at all the OTA's stacking up... they are becomming almost as numerous as the effed up NCN's in assault systems have always been To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Tomiko Kawase
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.04.25 07:25:00 -
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Assaults seem pretty broken at the moment. The amount of rats you need to kill makes them take forever :( |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
818
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Posted - 2012.04.25 08:19:00 -
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Joe SMASH wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:Remove isk rewards entirely, increase LP payout and stop spawning/despawn any sites once the mom has spawned. 100% this. Remove all ISK payouts for incursion rats, bump up LP significantly. No ISK is created and the LP can then be spent to make cash the normal way. Once the Mom is in play, all sites stop spawning.
I like my idea better. Once the mom has spawned, she will start randomly hot dropping incursion runners till they go to her site and deal with her. More boom.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
818
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Posted - 2012.04.25 08:20:00 -
[568] - Quote
Tomiko Kawase wrote:Assaults seem pretty broken at the moment. The amount of rats you need to kill makes them take forever :(
Try some of the other sites then.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Dethl0k
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.25 09:17:00 -
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Well there was nothing wrong with incursions the problem was people was actually playin the game for a change and when you have more people stuff is more expensive. VG's are a ghost town now watch your subscriptions decline |
Jokelerie
Delta vane Corp. Nostradamus Effect
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Posted - 2012.04.25 11:09:00 -
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Until today, I have never had a problem finding an incursion fleet.
From what I am seeing the incursion "balancing" seems to have gone too far in the other direction. Running VGs (I'm not familiar with how the changes have affected assaults) seems like it is no longer a step up from missioning.
Running missions I can earn about 60-70mil per hour (not 100% sure after the minerals / meta 0 nerf) in a mediocre Dominix fit. The ship probably costs around 250m. This requires no teamwork, and is very predictable.
Running incursions now, it seems I have to find a group with the right composition (I like this). Even with decked out faction/officer fit ships in a fleet of 10, incursions seem like they can only generate 80m per hour assuming everything goes perfectly. This work requires a significantly more expensive ship (2 bil ish), requires coordinating a fleet of 10-12 including wait lists to keep the isk/hr. The risk of loss is higher in incursions than mission running, and the takes are almost 10x higher.
I hope this is only because we are adjusting to the new changes, but fear players will stop running incursions as the rewards are below the risk/complexity.
In my opinion EITHER the reward drop OR the rise in difficulty OR requiring all ships to die are somewhat acceptable, but not all three.
Personally I'd prefer the incursions weren't just "now you gotta kill em all instead of being strategic" but "now they shoot harder/think better". As a logi I was, all to often, doing virtually nothing in VGs.
Random spawns are nice, harder hitting ships, maybe even enemy ships that boost each other (forcing an incursion FC to have to switch targets to booster ships, or the ship being boosted ... keep the FC awake). |
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