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Jita Joe2 Jones
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.04.25 11:14:00 -
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35 mins and we never finished a OTA, use to do them in 3 mins, back to mining, oh wait Hulkageddon - note to self dont plex your account to far ahead in case you need to find something else to do for a while. |
Drake McCann
Tributum Fraudisque
3
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Posted - 2012.04.25 11:35:00 -
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Either remove Maro Paolo (whatever his name is) or decrease his orbiting range to something like 20-25km .. in VG sites 99% of the time we are all using short range guns, but with Maro orbiting at 60km we simply can't finish his sites ..
ISK wise from VGs after the escalation .. for me at least, it went from 90-120m per hour to 30m-50m per hour, we are better off running lv4s .. |
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
168
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Posted - 2012.04.25 11:52:00 -
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Incursion's are much better now just need something to force you to kill the mom earlier. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
649
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Posted - 2012.04.25 11:56:00 -
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Great step in right direction, now remove them from hisec. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Barakkus
1530
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Posted - 2012.04.25 14:41:00 -
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Good job over-nerfing \o/ http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
165
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:14:00 -
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Tomiko Kawase wrote:Assaults seem pretty broken at the moment. The amount of rats you need to kill makes them take forever :(
Assaults NCN's have pretty much ALWAYs been broken: First they were IMPOSSIBLE death traps because logi couldn't go on the Battleship side, then they were broken because they took as long as a HQ site to do plus set up a fleet . Right now I've only been able to convince a fleet to do 1 NCN & after 1/2 the logi left because it was boring I guess. Not sure yet if the new NCN's take any less time. ( the OCF's & NCS's take longer ) To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Trinity Six
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:43:00 -
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Devs, may I direct your atention to this post
This is a great idea and should be implemented for many reasons. If you wish to discuss more, please contact me.
Basically, your f'd up incursions for everyone, but lowsec more so. Lowsec is risky, and it takes massive amounts of organization to do them. By nerfing lowsec incursions to oblivion, you essentially removed a part of the game that was enjoyable. Everyone is going back to level 4's and mining. Is this what you wanted? PS - hisec needs to be nerfed MORE not less.
Also, nice lie here: http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/features/
Quote:Incursion Iteration The rewards and challenges of Sansha invasion fleets in Incursion content have been revisited to better balance challenge and reward. Vanguard invasions will now take a bit longer, while the time to complete an Assault invasions will be reduced some. In addition, the ISK reward of Vanguard invasions has been changed to bring the reward in line with the difficulty/risk.
If you don't know what you're doing while testing, get more help from players. If you think over-nerfing and then 'fixing' the issue later is a proper way to deploy a patch, you are completely wrong. All you do is anger the playerbase.
tldr; lowsec incursions are worthless now. Way to waste your developer's time, CCP. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
12
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:45:00 -
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we ran incursion last night and made 150m/hr, change was great, way to go CCP |
Trinity Six
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:45:00 -
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Apolyon I wrote:we ran incursion last night and made 150m/hr, change was great, way to go CCP
no you didn't. |
Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc.
16
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:35:00 -
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Trinity Six wrote:Apolyon I wrote:we ran incursion last night and made 150m/hr, change was great, way to go CCP no you didn't.
If you knew anything you'd recognize his corp and know what he is talking about. But you're too busy living in HS. |
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Trinity Six
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:16:00 -
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Joran Jackson wrote:Trinity Six wrote:Apolyon I wrote:we ran incursion last night and made 150m/hr, change was great, way to go CCP no you didn't. If you knew anything you'd recognize his corp and know what he is talking about. But you're too busy living in HS. I'm a lowsec incursioner. |
Draeven
Dead poets society The Laughing Men
1
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:03:00 -
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150/hour is actually low for the incursion he's talking about, must be a slow night. Magnetar system, you can pretty much make bank. |
QT McWhiskers
EdgeGamers Dark Taboo
1
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:28:00 -
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Very much overnerfed. OTAs stack up like nothing else cause no one wants to run then. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
654
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:51:00 -
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QT McWhiskers wrote:Very much overnerfed. OTAs stack up like nothing else cause no one wants to run then. Moar nerfs moarrrrrrrrrr http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
165
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Posted - 2012.04.26 09:47:00 -
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QT McWhiskers wrote:Very much overnerfed. OTAs stack up like nothing else cause no one wants to run then.
OTA's have become the NCN's of Vanguards again CCP its like everytime you reinvent the wheel its a non circular square that throws the rider over the handle bars under a bus ( just like the Anom NERF ) To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
165
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Posted - 2012.04.26 09:54:00 -
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Apolyon I wrote:we ran incursion last night and made 150m/hr, change was great, way to go CCP
CCP probably believes this sorta crap. Well w/e looks like the once successul gouup PvE experiment got thrown under the bus because of CCP's listening to forum trolls.. looking like many are moving back to solo L4's because of the Incursion NERF & CCP incompetence. Maybe in 2-3 years it'll get revisited like faction warfare To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
633
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Posted - 2012.04.26 10:40:00 -
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I smell much butthurt of a nerf far inferior to ones handed out to areas that actually SHOULD make good isk(*coughcoughsanctumnerfcough*)
Sounds like you still making plenty of isk, given that ratting in a carrier nets roughly 20 mil isk ticks, and when you get down to it there shouldn't be anything much more effective that the drone swarms a carrier vomits forth. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1158
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:27:00 -
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supersexysucker wrote:Nerf moons, 0.0 has no effort moons, highsec has effort incrusions... you want to nerf incrusions... then get around to them moons too...
Moons are finally changing how you get raw materials from (ring mining), to be implemented soon (?)
High sec Incursions and effort are 2 words not meant to work together. If you really want to know what it looks like "effort" for incursions go clean some in low/null sec, then come here post your comments.
Quote:Takes what, 1 falcon to screw a whole fleet in an incrusion... billions in loses... takes um what, 1000 people to even try to attack a tech moon. Can't really say risk vs reward now can we?
An incompetent FC and incompetent pilots would OBVIOUSLY not target the falcon and get it down.
Quote:Also nerf chain ratting if that is still around since all these 0.0 bears seem to want to nerf HS more danger isk.
Just increase payouts and take all loot from wrecks, let them loot 0, nada, peanuts !! |
Jita Joe2 Jones
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:47:00 -
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Very effective nerf , I no longer have any intrest in this feature of the game. Ive given it a couple days, and incursioning isnt worth my time now. Thanks CCP for ruining yet another feature of the game that I enjoyed. |
c4 t
Push Pharmaceuticals Push Interstellar Network
25
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:55:00 -
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Jita Joe2 Jones wrote:Very effective nerf , I no longer have any intrest in this feature of the game. Ive given it a couple days, and incursioning isnt worth my time now. Thanks CCP for ruining yet another feature of the game that I enjoyed.
Nuclear butthurt detected. |
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
165
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Posted - 2012.04.27 09:36:00 -
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Jita Joe2 Jones wrote:Very effective nerf , I no longer have any intrest in this feature of the game. Ive given it a couple days, and incursioning isnt worth my time now. Thanks CCP for ruining yet another feature of the game that I enjoyed.
CCP is very effective in ruining anything they pay attention to in Eve... since they haven't done jack shite in W-Space for Escalation or Inferno I guess I should go there since its being ignored. Nahhhh after being able to be actually sociable in an MMO with Incursions movin' to a wormhole sounds like living under a rock. Maybe its just time t take another Eve break since summer is comming around. To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
saltrock0000
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
49
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:05:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Jita Joe2 Jones wrote:Very effective nerf , I no longer have any intrest in this feature of the game. Ive given it a couple days, and incursioning isnt worth my time now. Thanks CCP for ruining yet another feature of the game that I enjoyed. CCP is very effective in ruining anything they pay attention to in Eve... since they haven't done jack shite in W-Space for Escalation or Inferno I guess I should go there since its being ignored. Nahhhh after being able to be actually sociable in an MMO with Incursions movin' to a wormhole sounds like living under a rock. Maybe its just time t take another Eve break since summer is comming around.
Yeah i certainly dont plan on using any more plex's to sub any of my accounts once they expire, like you said, summer is here, Aion is free to play, GW2 beta has been released far FAR FAAAAARRRRRRRRR better games out there this summer, and with the hole "CCP breaking internet spaceships since 2003" motto they seem to be adopting lately lost all repect and interest as well. Cherry on the cake was that joke of a GFX for PLEX sale they had!
Eve is real..... nope "eve is real......ly sh*t" |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
602
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:15:00 -
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So looks like the enjoyable group content is still the same, only thing that changed was the fact that their payout is no longer astronomically out of proportion in comparison to the rest of the game?
Who could have guessed, looks like the "elite" Incursion RMTers need to look for other ways to make isk to sell.
Hell, maybe this opens up room for the guys with only T1 battleships. Kinda like it was meant to be. ~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
The Djego
Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
26
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:10:00 -
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Roime wrote:Hell, maybe this opens up room for the guys with only T1 battleships. Kinda like it was meant to be.
The complete opposite actually, if it is not worth it for a well build fleet doing twice the amounts of sites in the same time, it isn't worth it for the rest for sure. It even forces the the Assault and HQ FCs to be a lot more picky with her fleets to archive something worth doing, plus moving all the more serious VG people to Assault and HQ will even more push them out of the other sites. In the end they casual low budget guyes get screwed the most.
Btw nice straw man argument calling Incursion runners RMTers. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
166
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Posted - 2012.04.27 23:57:00 -
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Roime wrote:So looks like the enjoyable group content is still the same, only thing that changed was the fact that their payout is no longer astronomically out of proportion in comparison to the rest of the game?
Who could have guessed, looks like the "elite" Incursion RMTers need to look for other ways to make isk to sell.
Hell, maybe this opens up room for the guys with only T1 battleships. Kinda like it was meant to be.
1)lol Incursion RMTers hahahahahahahaha oh yes look how EZ it is to bot Incursions for ISK 2)The NERF has made Incursions an even higher barrier to entry for T1 BS hulls TBH To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Jita Joe2 Jones
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.04.28 00:18:00 -
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"Roime wrote: So looks like the enjoyable group content is still the same, only thing that changed was the fact that their payout is no longer astronomically out of proportion in comparison to the rest of the game?
Who could have guessed, looks like the "elite" Incursion RMTers need to look for other ways to make isk to sell.
Hell, maybe this opens up room for the guys with only T1 battleships. Kinda like it was meant to be. "
Based on the red COnstellation control bars , It would appear few are enjoying the incursions . If they were they would be blue not red. I wonder if they will even kill the mom and complete the incursion. Nice work CCP! |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
662
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Posted - 2012.04.28 00:42:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Jita Joe2 Jones wrote:Very effective nerf , I no longer have any intrest in this feature of the game. Ive given it a couple days, and incursioning isnt worth my time now. Thanks CCP for ruining yet another feature of the game that I enjoyed. CCP is very effective in ruining anything they pay attention to in Eve... since they haven't done jack shite in W-Space for Escalation or Inferno I guess I should go there since its being ignored. Nahhhh after being able to be actually sociable in an MMO with Incursions movin' to a wormhole sounds like living under a rock. Maybe its just time t take another Eve break since summer is comming around. Do it. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Chloe Germain
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.04.28 06:19:00 -
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I don't know that CCP could have Nerfed incursions harder. I went from making 100m an hour in a blinged out t3 (High risk high reward) to hardly breaking 30m while still being required to sit in a multi-billion isk Strategic cruiser. (High risk no reward.) Rescind the nerf and listen to hardcore incursion runners before trying to balance it. The reward system should be: High reward-Lowsec > Nullsec > highsec - : Low reward. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
16
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Posted - 2012.04.28 07:13:00 -
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just leave and stop postting useless stuff
like anyone will give a f*ck about you leaving |
Korgan Nailo
5ER3NITY INC Supernova Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.04.28 19:22:00 -
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I'll just add my 2 cents.
Before the patch, VGs gave too much money and blitzing was... pathetic. Both of those problems were addressed and quite well. Currently, it looks like VGs NCOs are going down in 6 minutes. Some might say it still need some refinement, but looks ok.
The problem I see is the volley damage.
Once the logis get to you, aka lock + have a cycle to spare, you're fine, but until that point, you're in trouble.
People ended up talking that from 4 they jumped to 8 logis in Assault sites to feel comfortable.
(if you're a TLDR guy, stop here)
I've watched several ships being blown up simply because logis couldn't lock + rep fast enough before the target was blown. Talking about 100k EHP battleship here in a ASSAULT site.
When people go to the point of turning off turrets to be able to fit 2 x 1600mm plus all the other tanking modules, to me is just wrong. Maybe shield fleet is not having those issues thanks to the amazing Invulnerability Field II module, but there is no such thing for armor and it is a huge pain.
Overall, still good money, tons of fun, excitement in the field, surprises with one or another wave still being discovered... but... I don't wanna blow up. I'm not flying a fancy 2bil ship, just a simple Abaddon the best I can fit it for it. Despite all the problems with capacitor that Lasers already have to deal with, not being able to SURVIVE is quite scary.
Incursions are great, best fun I had so far in the game, but right now, too risky. |
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