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xxanjoahir
Hedion University Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.05.03 17:18:00 -
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i have had 10 guys unsub due to the changes... they were new to the game and enjoyed how VG's were helping them develop and get involved in other forms of eve...
sorry but i am a true believer that CCP got this completely wrong and shouldn't have caved... |
Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
215
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Posted - 2012.05.03 17:20:00 -
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xxanjoahir wrote:i have had 10 guys unsub due to the changes... they were new to the game and enjoyed how VG's were helping them develop and get involved in other forms of eve...
sorry but i am a true believer that CCP got this completely wrong and shouldn't have caved...
Incursions were too easy, too fast and too rewarding. Level 4 missions is rewarding enough as it is, anymore and people will never have reason to venture into low-sec or 0.0 |
xxanjoahir
Hedion University Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.05.03 17:28:00 -
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Fannie Maes wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:i have had 10 guys unsub due to the changes... they were new to the game and enjoyed how VG's were helping them develop and get involved in other forms of eve...
sorry but i am a true believer that CCP got this completely wrong and shouldn't have caved... Incursions were too easy, too fast and too rewarding. Level 4 missions is rewarding enough as it is, anymore and people will never have reason to venture into low-sec or 0.0
thats BS: they were easy becuse people worked together... all CCP needed to do was mix them up... rather than pull the **** out their arse. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
25
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Posted - 2012.05.03 17:48:00 -
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xxanjoahir wrote:Fannie Maes wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:i have had 10 guys unsub due to the changes... they were new to the game and enjoyed how VG's were helping them develop and get involved in other forms of eve...
sorry but i am a true believer that CCP got this completely wrong and shouldn't have caved... Incursions were too easy, too fast and too rewarding. Level 4 missions is rewarding enough as it is, anymore and people will never have reason to venture into low-sec or 0.0 thats BS: they were easy becuse people worked together... all CCP needed to do was mix them up... rather than pull the **** out their arse. ppl work together for a lot of stuff. stop saying as if incursion is innovation for everything in the whole new eden |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2012.05.03 17:51:00 -
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Apolyon I wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:Fannie Maes wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:i have had 10 guys unsub due to the changes... they were new to the game and enjoyed how VG's were helping them develop and get involved in other forms of eve...
sorry but i am a true believer that CCP got this completely wrong and shouldn't have caved... Incursions were too easy, too fast and too rewarding. Level 4 missions is rewarding enough as it is, anymore and people will never have reason to venture into low-sec or 0.0 thats BS: they were easy becuse people worked together... all CCP needed to do was mix them up... rather than pull the **** out their arse. ppl work together for a lot of stuff. stop saying as if incursion is innovation for everything in the whole new eden
It was pretty much the only cooperative casual group pve content. Closest thing before that was wormholes, but I'd hardly call that casual. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
176
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Posted - 2012.05.04 04:27:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:lol 4 hours before DT & Gallante space Vanguards are 100% stacked OTA's. No I didn't predict this in the forums in this very thread in the weeks proir to the patch... So Vanguards are suposed to be a trainning ground before assaults? OTA is a death trap for any non shiney ship. TBH All the assaults now are easier then the OTAs
8 hours before downtime & 100% of Minmitar constellation Vanguards consist of OTA's...
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
918
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Posted - 2012.05.04 04:54:00 -
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No one cares.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
35
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:50:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:lol 4 hours before DT & Gallante space Vanguards are 100% stacked OTA's. No I didn't predict this in the forums in this very thread in the weeks proir to the patch... So Vanguards are suposed to be a trainning ground before assaults? OTA is a death trap for any non shiney ship. TBH All the assaults now are easier then the OTAs 8 hours before downtime & 100% of Minmitar constellation Vanguards consist of OTA's...
Dude you forget that the Shield guys cannot do the OTAs . they are to scared to do them. so they run the NCO or NMC forcing the armor guys to run the OTAs. They also seem like they do not wish to contest our fleets now. no idea why maybe they just need someone to lead them by the hand and show them how to do it. but int he mean time more iskies for us armor guys |
Herr Ronin
Malum Crusis
32
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:20:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:lol 4 hours before DT & Gallante space Vanguards are 100% stacked OTA's. No I didn't predict this in the forums in this very thread in the weeks proir to the patch... So Vanguards are suposed to be a trainning ground before assaults? OTA is a death trap for any non shiney ship. TBH All the assaults now are easier then the OTAs 8 hours before downtime & 100% of Minmitar constellation Vanguards consist of OTA's... Dude you forget that the Shield guys cannot do the OTAs . they are to scared to do them. so they run the NCO or NMC forcing the armor guys to run the OTAs. They also seem like they do not wish to contest our fleets now. no idea why maybe they just need someone to lead them by the hand and show them how to do it. but int he mean time more iskies for us armor guys
What is this bollocks?
Armor doing OTA's... Let's see how far that one goes.
I think you need to open your eyes and look at all the incursion community's before posting.
I agree, People are scared, They lack the know how on what to do and what will i do if that happens or if this happens, Its purely on the FC, If you are saying that shield does not do OTA's
This is stating ISN does not do them, Well fyi, We do them without hacking and with two logistics with 6 minutes blink to blink.
For instance the awesome lolly pop is the old VG's 160 mill per hour, After the patch the lolly pop is replaced with a bit of wood, with a 60 Mill per hour, People don't know something is good unless its took away from them, You can still plex your account with 60 mill per hour.
I admit, CCP is doing crap so far with Inferno, This Nerf has made me go into assaults with my community, Doing 100 mill per hour, But one thing i would like to know, They stated that Assaults where going to get buffed to be more appealing to the incursion runners that did VG's
Did i miss the buff? Management Of ISN - Incursion Shiny Network
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
180
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:00:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote: all in all the Incursions are not that bad right now. CCP breathed some life into them
Lies the CCP's breath is the stench of death for the fun of Incursions. Looks like they are beginning to see this in the numbers too. Testing of this was crap. I hope the rest of Inferno isn't as screwed up.
Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó...-á-á http://i.imgur.com/aYOL1.jpg
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
926
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Posted - 2012.05.06 01:42:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Ziranda Hakuli wrote: all in all the Incursions are not that bad right now. CCP breathed some life into them
Lies the CCP's breath is the stench of death for the fun of Incursions. Looks like they are beginning to see this in the numbers too. Testing of this was crap. I hope the rest of Inferno isn't as screwed up. 100m an hour on assaults?
Can anyone say nerf assaults?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
159
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Posted - 2012.05.06 03:14:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Ziranda Hakuli wrote: all in all the Incursions are not that bad right now. CCP breathed some life into them
Lies the CCP's breath is the stench of death for the fun of Incursions. Looks like they are beginning to see this in the numbers too. Testing of this was crap. I hope the rest of Inferno isn't as screwed up. 100m an hour on assaults? Can anyone say nerf assaults?
100M/hour in assaults is another lie. No one can maintain that rate.
Get lucky and make 100M in a 60 minute block, maybe. But 200M in 2 hours, not a prayer
I used to run assaults in an armour fleet months ago. The FC was top notch, and very demanding of skills and ships. We averaged out at 60M/hour, occasionally spiking to 76M if we actually had 4 sites complete in a 60 minute block.
But hey, start cranking out the propaganda that Incursions are still too rich. Given the state of affairs inside CCP, they will likely believe it. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
966
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Posted - 2012.05.06 03:51:00 -
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I agree with Ronin. He runs a community which is quite involved with incursion content and he'd definitely know a thing or two about it.
I've run with more than a few of his fleets but haven't checked in since they nerfed it. Should drop in and say hi I spose. |
Galerak
CASCADE OF SPECTRES Comic Mischief
8
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Posted - 2012.05.06 04:50:00 -
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Joe SMASH wrote:Reduce payouts across the board. Bring vanguard sites down to level 4 mission (ISK/hr) payouts (per member of fleet).
Anyone else who complains about people killing the Mom are ignorant to the way incursions were supposed to be run. Farming vanguards w/o giving thought to killing the mom to extend the incursion as long as possible is nothing short of an exploit that should be fixed.
Flat nerfs to payout will not fix incursions.
I've been an incursion runner for about a year now and farming VG's has become a way of life. Need isk? Jump to your incursion clone and fly to nearest incursion, farm a few days take your 2+bil back to null sec or wherever 'home' is and buy w/e you want need for the next month.
It's a comfortable lifestyle. And while i appreciate it's merits i don't think that's what incursions were meant to be. I think there should be a sense of urgency to shutting down an incursion, not a reason to keep it going till the last day before killing the mom. I think there should be motivation to upgrade from vanguards to assaults and HQs and finally the mothership. Here are my suggestions:
1. Return the starting pay for VG's to the previous amount, until the system goes from red to blue on the meter, at which point scout/vanguard sites will receive reduced payout. Imo the reduced payout should be reduced slightly even from the current amount. (This should cause a sense of urgency to get to the incursion asap and begin shutting down VG's but will reduce motivation to keep the incursion up for longer farming)
2. Tweak the current VG's to make them slightly more time efficient to run without making them less difficult. (ie move the array closer to the warp in so the hacker doesnt have to run out of rep range, same for the ore drop in the NMC's, and remove the Niarja's from OTAs, this will allow fleets to focus fire on the tougher primary target, the Mara) This will allow fleets to take advantage of the initial higher pay of the VGs and draw people to the incursion systems more quickly allowing a larger pool of pilots for assembling Assault/HQ fleets once the mom spawns.
3. Slightly increase the payout for Assaults and HQs after the meter goes blue, but reduce the payout for inactive Assault/HQ sites once the Mothership spawns. This should help transition pilots from VG fleets to larger fleets while keeping Assault/HQ's from becoming the new farmable sites.
And if these arent enough to get people to shut down incursions faster then maybe some added incentive to killing the mom. Like a degrading of the bonus rewards from the Mothership site the longer it goes uncontested. The sooner you kill the mom the bigger your reward. I know CCP Affinity was running Incursions w/ BTL leaders and others on Sisi and perhaps they would have some suggestions on how to make the mom a higher priority. -OR- This is an invasion scenario, the pve equivalent of a hostile takeover... in an area being invaded like this you have those that would flee and those that would fight. The suggestions above are to motivate people to fight but if the mom still isnt going down sooner perhaps the incursion or the system penalties should spread to additional systems, or market/contracts would become inaccessable, or mission agents... something to make the noncombatants either defend the space or flee. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.05.06 05:17:00 -
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Reduce payment but bring back blitzing |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
182
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Posted - 2012.05.06 06:39:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:I agree with Ronin. He runs a community which is quite involved with incursion content and he'd definitely know a thing or two about it.
I've run with more than a few of his fleets but haven't checked in since they nerfed it. Should drop in and say hi I spose.
Many Incursion communities are onlife support CCP has killed a few already. Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó...-á-á http://i.imgur.com/aYOL1.jpg
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
966
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Posted - 2012.05.06 08:34:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote: Many Incursion communities are onlife support CCP has killed a few already.
I logged on to my incursion alt to plenty of channels not being valid. Nerfed it alright. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
182
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:05:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Ziranda Hakuli wrote: all in all the Incursions are not that bad right now. CCP breathed some life into them
Lies the CCP's breath is the stench of death for the fun of Incursions. Looks like they are beginning to see this in the numbers too. Testing of this was crap. I hope the rest of Inferno isn't as screwed up. 100m an hour on assaults? Can anyone say nerf assaults?
Who is making 100m an hour in assault liar? Tell me the name of a single pilot that is making 100millin an hour on assault troll! Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó...-á-á http://i.imgur.com/aYOL1.jpg
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
182
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:13:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:100m an hour on assaults? Can anyone say nerf assaults?
100M/hour in assaults is another lie. No one can maintain that rate.
Get lucky and make 100M in a 60 minute block, maybe. But 200M in 2 hours, not a prayer
I used to run assaults in an armour fleet months ago. The FC was top notch, and very demanding of skills and ships. We averaged out at 60M/hour, occasionally spiking to 76M if we actually had 4 sites complete in a 60 minute block.
But hey, start cranking out the propaganda that Incursions are still too rich. Given the state of affairs inside CCP, they will likely believe it.[/quote]
It is simply not possible to make 100 million an hour in assaults Simi is a lieing liar that lies & CCP believes this troll them they deserve to be slapped across the face with what ignoramuses they are listening to.
In HI SEC 100 million an hour is 5+ assaults in an hour by a single pilot. a 15 minute assault has not to my knowledge been accomplished without a site beinghalf completed by someone else. (60/15)*18.5<100 do the math trolls Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó...-á-á http://i.imgur.com/aYOL1.jpg
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
933
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:22:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Ziranda Hakuli wrote: all in all the Incursions are not that bad right now. CCP breathed some life into them
Lies the CCP's breath is the stench of death for the fun of Incursions. Looks like they are beginning to see this in the numbers too. Testing of this was crap. I hope the rest of Inferno isn't as screwed up. 100m an hour on assaults? Can anyone say nerf assaults? Who is making 100m an hour in assault liar? Tell me the name of a single pilot that is making 100millin an hour on assault troll! Herr Ronin, scroll up.
Anyway, you going to try rolling with the punches and maybe swap to a different profession yet? Incursions are still by far the highest isk paying profession for the least risk, they still outrank chaining sanctums and they do it all in high sec. Especially since they can easily be dual boxed.
I really don't get what you're bitching about.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
182
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:41:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:[quote=Simi Kusoni] Who is making 100m an hour in assault liar? Tell me the name of a single pilot that is making 100millin an hour on assault troll! Herr Ronin, scroll up.
A liar quoting another liar is still a liar one doesn't cancel the other out. You don't know what you are talking about. No one pilot is making 100 million an hour in asssaults. Ask CCP Soundwave or CCP Diagos for the stats
Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó...-á-á http://i.imgur.com/aYOL1.jpg
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
933
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:54:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:[quote=Simi Kusoni] Who is making 100m an hour in assault liar? Tell me the name of a single pilot that is making 100millin an hour on assault troll! Herr Ronin, scroll up. A liar quoting another liar is still a liar one doesn't cancel the other out. You don't know what you are talking about. No one pilot is making 100 million an hour in asssaults. Ask CCP Soundwave or CCP Diagos for the stats Doesn't he run an incursion community? Seems like a good source to me.
Besides, my other points still stand. Pretty good pay, little risk, easily dual boxed and without any of the hassle associated with living in low/null sec. I can't really see why you are still complaining.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Herr Ronin
Malum Crusis
34
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:09:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:[quote=Simi Kusoni] Who is making 100m an hour in assault liar? Tell me the name of a single pilot that is making 100millin an hour on assault troll! Herr Ronin, scroll up. A liar quoting another liar is still a liar one doesn't cancel the other out. You don't know what you are talking about. No one pilot is making 100 million an hour in asssaults. Ask CCP Soundwave or CCP Diagos for the stats
No, Its the fact that we run with "Correct" Fittings, Not x4 LSE's and trying to get our nightmare's cap stable, Why would i lie about a fact, I am sorry that you run in public fleets.
There is a difference between ISN and other incursion community's, Its called "Adapting" we are good at doing what we do, Being a successful community, When inferno did hit EVE Online, ISN - Incursion Shiny Network is still a strong community, Now please go back to BTL or wherever you came from.
You make me sad.
Tip: Stop crying and maybe learn how to do your fleet comp correct and stop taking bio breaks after each site.
If you wish to discuss this on Teamspeak or have any concern that i am posting false fact's, Then let me know. Management Of ISN - Incursion Shiny Network
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Herr Ronin
Malum Crusis
34
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:12:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Vince Snetterton wrote:100m an hour on assaults? Can anyone say nerf assaults? 100M/hour in assaults is another lie. No one can maintain that rate. Get lucky and make 100M in a 60 minute block, maybe. But 200M in 2 hours, not a prayer I used to run assaults in an armour fleet months ago. The FC was top notch, and very demanding of skills and ships. We averaged out at 60M/hour, occasionally spiking to 76M if we actually had 4 sites complete in a 60 minute block. But hey, start cranking out the propaganda that Incursions are still too rich. Given the state of affairs inside CCP, they will likely believe it.
It is simply not possible to make 100 million an hour in assaults Simi is a lieing liar that lies & CCP believes this troll them they deserve to be slapped across the face with what ignoramuses they are listening to.
In HI SEC 100 million an hour is 5+ assaults in an hour by a single pilot. a 15 minute assault has not to my knowledge been accomplished without a site beinghalf completed by someone else. (60/15)*18.5<100 do the math trolls[/quote]
I was going to argue with you, Then i seen what fleet comp you fly.
You fly "Armor"
That is all. Management Of ISN - Incursion Shiny Network
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
184
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Posted - 2012.05.06 16:47:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:[quote=Simi Kusoni] Who is making 100m an hour in assault liar? Tell me the name of a single pilot that is making 100millin an hour on assault troll! Herr Ronin, scroll up. A liar quoting another liar is still a liar one doesn't cancel the other out. You don't know what you are talking about. No one pilot is making 100 million an hour in asssaults. Ask CCP Soundwave or CCP Diagos for the stats Doesn't he run an incursion community? Seems like a good source to me. .
lol Rush Limbaugh is a Conservative he sounds like a good source of fair & balanced news to me... or Faux News is the only news cable channel that never has a biased slant on news to prop its ratings or Tobacco companies would never sell a dangerous product it would kill thier client base & take away from thier profits... or I beleive all third hand rumors I hear on the Internet they must be true just like there is no global warming.... Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó...-á-á http://i.imgur.com/aYOL1.jpg
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
937
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:02:00 -
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At this stage I am not even entirely certain what you are rambling about. You are calling the organizer of one of the best incursion communities in existence biased? On what grounds?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
185
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Posted - 2012.05.07 01:05:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote: But hey, start cranking out the propaganda that Incursions are still too rich. Given the state of affairs inside CCP, they will likely believe it.
Only explanation I can think of is is that CCP believes the trolls. Lets see how much the killing of Incursions and the communities affects the rampant inflation over the next 2 months CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
605
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Posted - 2012.05.07 01:11:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Vince Snetterton wrote: But hey, start cranking out the propaganda that Incursions are still too rich. Given the state of affairs inside CCP, they will likely believe it.
Only explanation I can think of is is that CCP believes the trolls. Lets see how much the killing of Incursions and the communities affects the rampant inflation over the next 2 months Oh dear. Well, other things like the bot banning or whatnot might cause that.
If you have minerals as your price basket, I wouldn't be surprised if those went up due to hulkeageddon, either.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
28
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Posted - 2012.05.07 02:26:00 -
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Herr Ronin wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:[quote=Simi Kusoni] Who is making 100m an hour in assault liar? Tell me the name of a single pilot that is making 100millin an hour on assault troll! Herr Ronin, scroll up. A liar quoting another liar is still a liar one doesn't cancel the other out. You don't know what you are talking about. No one pilot is making 100 million an hour in asssaults. Ask CCP Soundwave or CCP Diagos for the stats No, Its the fact that we run with "Correct" Fittings, Not x4 LSE's and trying to get our nightmare's cap stable, Why would i lie about a fact, I am sorry that you run in public fleets. There is a difference between ISN and other incursion community's, Its called "Adapting" we are good at doing what we do, Being a successful community, When inferno did hit EVE Online, ISN - Incursion Shiny Network is still a strong community, Now please go back to BTL or wherever you came from. You make me sad. Tip: Stop crying and maybe learn how to do your fleet comp correct and stop taking bio breaks after each site. If you wish to discuss this on Teamspeak or have any concern that i am posting false fact's, Then let me know.
kudos for good adapting instead of whining.
btw, don't waste time talking to Darth, he'll just ignore anything might have disadvantage on his interest |
General Jung
Asgard Intelligence Services Most Usual Suspects
5
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Posted - 2012.05.12 17:16:00 -
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Dear CCP,
here is my feedback from an tdf armor perspective.
- Assault/HQ still not pay more then small sites - Vanguard nerf is a bit overpowered, especially OTAs
And last but not least the influence bar seems to be to strong, especially because we now don-¦t have the playersbase to get people in larger fleets. |
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