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Beep BeepCLick
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Posted - 2007.10.10 05:44:00 -
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The corp knows as Advanced Logistics
claims they will move anything ya need. but are just looking too rip people.
nothing like a good warning.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.10 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Beep BeepCLick nothing like a good warning.
And that is nothing, at all, like a good warning.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.10 06:00:00 -
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Okay in looking and comparing what data is available I have to say you are full of crap. Grade A crap but still crap.
Mind you I happen to know people who have flown in Infod so I don't automatically distrust them. Granted I don't automatically trust them either. So if you got ripped by people with pirate backgrounds and negative security clearances then boo-hoo you are boo-boo the fool.
Why do I say that? Your toon is old enough to know that you don't allow anyone to ship anything without a security deposit. So essentially you are bad mouthing these people without proof. And that just drains away any sympathy I may or may not have had prior to this point. (Which is an academic point at this point ironically.)
But since you are an alt with the corp given title of "Placeholder" in a three-man nothing corporation I doubt that your word is gold. Of course you could possibly be Anul Zakru, former founder who left to join Goonswarm at exactly the same time you the alt became CEO... or that just might be coincidental. Or did I miss something here?
Proof or you are just attempting to turn this forum into COAD with unfounded claims and flames. So... in the glorious tradition of BOB... Proof or STFU.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.10 06:06:00 -
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Afaik, ADVL is a breakout corp of INFOD, mostly made out of pirates. What did you expect?
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Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.10.10 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Why do I say that? Your toon is old enough to know that you don't allow anyone to ship anything without a security deposit.
Actually you're wrong on this one. A corpmate who has played much longer than myself, and been very involved with eve, recently got scammed. Not the kind of scam most people fall for, but the point being his age didn't protect him.
Basically what it boiled down to, was the guy did no research on: 1) Who he was trading with (character had been in a corp blue to us for 18 days) 2) Who he was trading with (character also had a very easily discovered reputation as a scammer on eve-o forums) 3) How trade mechanics work.
In his case, he assumed that a blue wouldn't scam a blue, and that if you setup a courier contract, the items cannot be stolen.
A courier contract to a blue involving 500mil isk and several HACs. No collateral. Alas, age does not protect people.
In his defense, he had been out of game for a very long time.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.10 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Vrizuh Basically what it boiled down to, was the guy did no research on: 1) Who he was trading with (character had been in a corp blue to us for 18 days) 2) Who he was trading with (character also had a very easily discovered reputation as a scammer on eve-o forums) 3) How trade mechanics work.
Two things here that I should point out, firstly presumption on #1 and #2 is bad however a few months back I loaned a number of covetors to some fellow alliance mates and didn't get them back. Got pretty roasted in Crime & Punishment when I simply named and shamed so I can relate. However for you to get any empathy for your mate #3 is very ambiguous. But at least you had the dignity to post with your main... or what appears to be your main at least. Second point, I'm in a personal dilemma. A good mate of mine is alumni Eve Defense Force so I don't want to seem extra rude to you but you are in Praesidium Libertatis which is the alliance that shelters the highly objectionable & cowardly Taikun a.k.a. "Stapler Kid". Real dilemma as I can only hope that your friend is him as I'd be wickedly happy to hear harm befalling him. Heck, I'd love to pull the trigger myself if he'd ever undock when I was around. Not that I'd trust a self admitted coward to a fair fight but hey... I can hope right?
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Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.10.10 07:34:00 -
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Edited by: Vrizuh on 10/10/2007 07:35:07 Taikun is..an interesting guy on forums. He's great to talk to on TS. I dunno what you got against him but I've certainly enjoyed the conversations I've had with him. Dude rants more than me.
It was not Taikun.
Regarding #3, well I did expand on it further down in my post. Much like the original loan scam, the mechanics of courier/loan contracts is stupid or poorly explained. Cancelling a loan courier contract for instance, doesn't return the goods. Collateral isn't really explained or designed properly. The idea that you have to have more capital up front than you'd like to borrow is just insane. IRL your ability to pay affects your ability to borrow, but you still don't put a 110k deposit down for a 100k loan.
EDIT: oh, and like most market forum regulars, yes, I do use my main. This forum really demonstrates what CAOD could be.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.10 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vrizuh Taikun is..an interesting guy on forums. He's great to talk to on TS. I dunno what you got against him but I've certainly enjoyed the conversations I've had with him. Dude rants more than me.
You are probably right. He's got a great mind, a good facility for thought, it is just that he abuses it, and others, with adding so much bile to what he is saying. Rant is exactly what he does and thus ranting is the only thing we see. In this, he does himself the biggest disservice. Originally by: Vrizuh Much like the original loan scam, the mechanics of courier/loan contracts is stupid or poorly explained. Cancelling a loan courier contract for instance, doesn't return the goods. Collateral isn't really explained or designed properly. The idea that you have to have more capital up front than you'd like to borrow is just insane. IRL your ability to pay affects your ability to borrow, but you still don't put a 110k deposit down for a 100k loan.
There are several aspects of the contract system that needs improving. You'll never hear me argue against that. In equal measure, the contract system is (and I'm sure people will now agree) far better than it used to be. Originally there was just the courier system. I remember when I myself first started using the courier system for doing transactions. I'd simply set up the courier with the collateral being the price. The buyer would accept the courier job and intentionally fail the system. This "undocumented" feature was expanded, by ccp, into the escrow system. It was a system hacked together into functionality... not to denigrate the work of any individual here. The change was something quickly done, and well done, in response to the growing need. This newer contract system itself was, imho, inspired greatly from EveBay's work. It's got alot more options than either system before it, it is a bit more easier to understand on it's basic needs. Truly told it is only a few contract options that can be arcane. So there's still work to be done, yeah. But it's feedback and constant requests that'll push this higher on the priority list. (Hmmmmm... perhaps we should push to have these "contract" issues on the "bug" list instead of "feature" list, might get quicker action.) Until the situation is cured, even with expanded personnel there is only so many hands that can be thrown at problems by CCP, the forums is the only alternative that remains dynamic enough to educate.
It's A GIRL!!!!! |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.10 16:59:00 -
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I was curious what a Scamer was. But it doesn't seem like this is much of a warning but more of a "if you don't use common sense you are going to lose money" kind of thread.
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Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Vrizuh Basically what it boiled down to, was the guy did no research on: 1) Who he was trading with (character had been in a corp blue to us for 18 days) 2) Who he was trading with (character also had a very easily discovered reputation as a scammer on eve-o forums) 3) How trade mechanics work.
Two things here that I should point out, firstly presumption on #1 and #2 is bad however a few months back I loaned a number of covetors to some fellow alliance mates and didn't get them back. Got pretty roasted in Crime & Punishment when I simply named and shamed so I can relate. However for you to get any empathy for your mate #3 is very ambiguous. But at least you had the dignity to post with your main... or what appears to be your main at least. Second point, I'm in a personal dilemma. A good mate of mine is alumni Eve Defense Force so I don't want to seem extra rude to you but you are in Praesidium Libertatis which is the alliance that shelters the highly objectionable & cowardly Taikun a.k.a. "Stapler Kid". Real dilemma as I can only hope that your friend is him as I'd be wickedly happy to hear harm befalling him. Heck, I'd love to pull the trigger myself if he'd ever undock when I was around. Not that I'd trust a self admitted coward to a fair fight but hey... I can hope right?
You got roasted on C&P because you behaved like an ass and also attacked a guy many ppl have worked with in-game for a very small ammount of ISK. Before you did this you sent a very inflamatory alliance mail, without actually taking the time to sit down with that person and discuss it. All for 2 Covetors and some Iterons as i recall.
I'm not neutral in RAGOON vs BOB, I just dislike both sides. :) |
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.10 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Setana Manoro You got roasted on C&P because you behaved like an ass and also attacked a guy many ppl have worked with in-game for a very small ammount of ISK. Before you did this you sent a very inflamatory alliance mail, without actually taking the time to sit down with that person and discuss it. All for 2 Covetors and some Iterons as i recall.
Actually I tried to sit down with the person and discuss it. That was the point. So I pointed out that "for a piddly amount of isk" someone acted an ass. Like you have just here. If you like we can link to the thread in question. In the war of words the bottom line is this: Stuff was borrowed in good faith and still has not been returned nor addressed. What more do you wish to say on this matter that I did not even raise? Or was this just a drive by flaming for giggles?
It's A GIRL!!!!! |
Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:19:00 -
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For what? The alt didn't say anything that outrageous. Hell, when you said 2 covetors I was immediately picturing the scenario he just described. That is, someone overreacting and not sitting down with another party and finding a solution.
In what posts has Taikun been over the top? I mean, aside from his racist remarks in the BPO channel a while ago, I haven't seen him say anything that should warrant this kind of dislike.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Vrizuh For what? The alt didn't say anything that outrageous.
Well I figure jumping in with old news while calling someone an ass is not much more than flamebait. However since you asked here: Originally by: Shar Tegral When I asked for the return of the ships he contracted one covetor back to me and that was it. No word or effort by either persons past the one sole effort. Having given both one week to address the matter I subsequently shared the matter with the alliance (via alliance mail) as a whole without naming names. Again no response or effort to address the matter. In fact, the only person to really stand up was Warpath2005 who sent me enough money to cover my losses. I sent the money back because he didn't owe it to me and my ire over this has nothing to do with money.
Now for many this is a nothing matter. Fine by me, Eve takes all kinds. However for me your word is your bond. Failure to honor it is something I'm going to be quite open about. As to Taikun, here. I responded.
It's A GIRL!!!!! |
Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:11:00 -
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Rofl, no wonder you bear a grudge. So many of these issues could be resolved if people would put attention secondary to resolution. But quietly discussing and resolving issues doesn't get you elected unfortunately.
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Rhiraven
Gallente Epic Empire Exa Nation
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:12:00 -
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Edited by: Rhiraven on 11/10/2007 03:13:12
Originally by: Shar Tegral As to Taikun, here.
I responded. [/justify]
You're a little bit of a drama queen, but you're right; Taikun is a troll.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vrizuh But quietly discussing and resolving issues doesn't get you elected unfortunately.
I'm not running for any office. Couldn't you tell by my wonderful bedside manners? Besides the attack on me was after this forum had repeatedly tried to tell Taikun where to go. He blew his credibility when he linked CCP and Al Qaeda together weeks before he attacked me personally. As to drama, do you know what it is like to log on to Eve and have hundreds of eve mails telling me what kind of scum of the earth I am... ... all because some twit engaged in slander? I've said it before, I'll say it again, this community sucks. Anyone who doesn't get it, you're a fool. End.
It's A GIRL!!!!! |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:47:00 -
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It's OK Shar, I love you, and not just because you have the best beginning four letters a name can have.
And anyone who doesn't know why most of the regulars on this forum dislike StaplerBoy obviously missed the calls he made for CCP dev's to die because of their bad coding job that cost him some ISK. In reality it was just a dancing stapler, but it still somehow warranted him posting such comments about devs.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle It's OK Shar, I love you
Ack! I'm now waiting for some photoshop genius to meld our to avatars so all can see what our offspring would look like? Any bets on how long before something shows up? (I suspect Ricdic will do it as he's cruel and unusual.)
It's A GIRL!!!!! |
Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:40:00 -
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CCPs' forum software is driving me mad. Hate using it with tabbed browsing. Argh!
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Feng Schui
Minmatar The Ninja Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:37:00 -
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supposedly awox has turned a different leaf.
yea.. right. he's still a pirate, and complains when people attack him (the thread in CAOD, don't have the link handy).
however, i do have a nice screenshot of his, so called, "non-pirate corp" asking if people wanted to go out and pvp, then, when no one responded, said, "I guess i'll just go out and do some pirating."
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Fabricati Diem
Burleigh and Strong
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:47:00 -
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Post from within the masses.
Shar Tegral's point about your word being your bond is a good one. When dealing with multi-billion isk IPO's and the ease of scamming in Eve, people tend to care if someone is trustworthy or not. A covetor or a titan is just a matter of degree.
Taikun has worked very hard to get a bad reputation in this forum. Yes, he is intelligent and there is often some useful info in what he posts, but what substance there is become irrelevant in the face of what boils down to abuse and trolling with a veneer of legitimacy.
Shar repeatedly has chosen adhering to an internal code over making nice. I don't know about friends or popularity, but it has earned some respect.
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Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Beep BeepCLick The corp knows as Advanced Logistics
claims they will move anything ya need. but are just looking too rip people.
nothing like a good warning.
Do you have any proof? Any shred of evidence to show that this is not just libel from a nobody. Looks like another failed attempt at ruining my business reputation.
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Tag Ibby
Minmatar Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:01:00 -
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"Afaik, ADVL is a breakout corp of INFOD, mostly made out of pirates. What did you expect?"
This statement is simply not true. Although youll find that our ceo and one other member are former pilots of Infod, you should also notice that several of us including myself come from corps that have a strong history of fighting infod, and pirates for that matter. I have flown against awox on many occasions, he has always presented himslef with honor and honored any 1v1. I also trusted awox, even as a former enemy to fly very pricy ships and rigs from jita to low-sec in a place where i could pick it up. I even trusted awox at times without setting up proper contracts. he bought and sold items for me and in general handled himself very proffessionally. It was his professionalism that convinced me to leave a very profitable 0.0 home to come up to high sec and begin my life as a high sec hauler and marketeer. Of course dont mistake us for carebears either. if our interests are at stake, we will fight any and all comers.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Beep BeepCLick The corp knows as Advanced Logistics
claims they will move anything ya need. but are just looking too rip people.
nothing like a good warning.
Do you have any proof? Any shred of evidence to show that this is not just libel from a nobody. Looks like another failed attempt at ruining my business reputation.
The EVE forum version of, "Pics or it didn't happen!"
But lets just run this through a quick sanity check. If he was scammed then he would obviously have good reason to come here and post, but he may not have any screenshot that proves it. If he was not scammed then why would he bother coming to these forums to say he was? If he has no proof he may just look like a fool. So basically if he wasn't scammed there is little chance he'd bother complaining about it. If he was scammed he'd be angry enough to complain even tho it may not be believed.
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Tag Ibby
Minmatar Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:23:00 -
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or, if he was really scammed, why post with an alt
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista "Afaik, ADVL is a breakout corp of INFOD, mostly made out of pirates. What did you expect?"
Originally by: Tag Ibby This statement is simply not true.
I have no doubt that LaVista meant no harm. One of the things you have to realize is that when you start doing some quick research on any corporation the only things you can immediately find is the CEO/founder and any other names that they may list in there data/bios. Within those limits ADVL appears to have been what LaVista offered, as far as he knew, and most would think. Of course the major point, regarding ADVL, is that no one who has read this thread even thinks anything (good or bad) about ADVL. The slander was attempted and was an epic failure. The topic has since been hijacked into other realms far away from ADVL (and the "person" who started it). In simpler words, I don't know who you are and don't care. That would change if I develop any shipping concerns and at that point I'd still conduct the relationship in a practical, and secure, manner. LOL, this thread may have put you on the map in truth. So don't sweat it mate. Your rep is still your own to determine.
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Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Setana Manoro on 11/10/2007 23:05:31 Edited by: Setana Manoro on 11/10/2007 23:03:51
Originally by: Shar Tegral Edited by: Shar Tegral on 10/10/2007 19:34:49
Originally by: Setana Manoro You got roasted on C&P because you behaved like an ass and also attacked a guy many ppl have worked with in-game for a very small ammount of ISK. Before you did this you sent a very inflamatory alliance mail, without actually taking the time to sit down with that person and discuss it. All for 2 Covetors and some Iterons as i recall.
Sorry everyone. I mistakenly took an alt troll seriously. I apologize and have simply sent off the email to the mods.
WHAT ???
Are you really that deluded ? I have a corp, I posted in the thread where the new rules were added in CAOD on the first page, I am active on most of the forums - C&P + ships and mods + CAOD and read Market Discussion regularly, only to be called by you an alt ? Get your facts straight, check the char in-game, and then have the balls to say it to my face, like you didn't do with Dresden Karno - o yeah ... i am in the same channel as him when he is online.
PS: Am i to be blamed for having a good memory when it comes to drama queens ?
PPS: In short he borrowed to the MOA alliance 3 covetors and a iteron for a OP. He received just 1 back because the op leader changed and there was a problem of management. He then sent a threatening alliance mail, followed by a post on CAOD, in which he claimed he was "the best scout of his alliance". He blamed Dresden Karno. I have been in the same corp with Dresden, he has been the alliance diplomat for the MOA alliance for going close to 1 year, he is a very straight up guy, and when you work to have such a reputation, you do not accept a guy crapping on it for 2 covetors that were misplaced. You should not have acted like you did, and you have the manners of a pig. I really hope they ejected you while in station and podded you on your way out of 5zxx. :)
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Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:07:00 -
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On the matter of the OP, though i personally do not like Awox, where is the proof ? Taking a screenshot is really not that hard.
I'm not neutral in RAGOON vs BOB, I just dislike both sides. :) |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral Sorry everyone. I mistakenly took an alt troll seriously. I apologize and have simply sent off the email to the mods.
Originally by: Setana Manoro WHAT ??? Are you really that deluded ? {snip} Get your facts straight, check the char in-game, and then have the balls to say it to my face, like you didn't do with Dresden Karno - o yeah ... i am in the same channel as him when he is online.
One of us is most definitely deluded. I simply mistated myself. You are most definitely a troll. But my behavior speaks for itself and, most importantly, you don't see my name on their killboards anywhere. I was told to drop it by my CEO of the time and so was he. It's nice to have you come along flaming about totally unasked for eh? Who is the pig really? You fighting a situation Dresden admitted to and probably has forgotten (much like myself)? Or me, minding my business and moving on? Listen, he's a diplomat. I'm not. Therein is the proof who is the better liar. As for in game. You got a beef, you can contact me. I don't go hounding after useless nobody trolls. Even one as loud as you. Tata, go bother someone who cares.
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Rhiraven
Gallente Epic Empire Exa Nation
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Posted - 2007.10.12 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral blah blah blah blah
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