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dor amwar
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: d026 i dont get the vaga and ishtar change..? Is not like the the vaga needs another mid.. infact the vaga is just overpowered enough right now.
it's not like minmatar have any other ship that is at the top in it's class (not the top. minnies need a boost not a nerf. if they are so overpowered, why aren't they being produced in mass as shown here?
t2 ship builds
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: dor amwar
it's not like minmatar have any other ship that is at the top in it's class (not the top. minnies need a boost not a nerf. if they are so overpowered, why aren't they being produced in mass as shown here?
t2 ship builds
Err? Take a new look at that list, you'll notice that the Cerb and the Vaga are the only HACs on that list. Tells you something.
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dor amwar
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: dor amwar
it's not like minmatar have any other ship that is at the top in it's class (not the top. minnies need a boost not a nerf. if they are so overpowered, why aren't they being produced in mass as shown here?
t2 ship builds
Err? Take a new look at that list, you'll notice that the Cerb and the Vaga are the only HACs on that list. Tells you something.
look at my post agin, as i said, at the top. my point being that minmatar have mostly middle of the road ships. i think the good doctor shows that minmatar are now last on the list considering his data does not show the recent amarr boost.
we have a ceptor at the top, but not the top because it is not the fastest ceptor. that's funny because i thought minnie specialty was supposed to be speed
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Brodde Dim
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:04:00 -
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Is this picture going to start a new thread every 10 hours?
I think the last thread finally agreed it has been altered.
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: dor amwar
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: dor amwar
it's not like minmatar have any other ship that is at the top in it's class (not the top. minnies need a boost not a nerf. if they are so overpowered, why aren't they being produced in mass as shown here?
t2 ship builds
Err? Take a new look at that list, you'll notice that the Cerb and the Vaga are the only HACs on that list. Tells you something.
look at my post agin, as i said, at the top. my point being that minmatar have mostly middle of the road ships. i think the good doctor shows that minmatar are now last on the list considering his data does not show the recent amarr boost.
we have a ceptor at the top, but not the top because it is not the fastest ceptor. that's funny because i thought minnie specialty was supposed to be speed
Ah, ok. Sure, I'll agree with that, the Minmatar don't have all that many outstanding ships. The Vaga is one, and arguably the Rapier/Huginn are another (they can do something that nothing else in the game can).
Lots of minnie ships could use a boost, and yeah, it's weird that the fastest inty is Amarr, not Minmatar. That's always seemed strange to me.
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William DeMeo
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:16:00 -
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If that ishtar is real I will be ****ed. Also wtf @ the vaga, talk about shield extenders. Yarr |
DeadDuck
Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:38:00 -
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To good to be true.
A Zealot with drone bay and a Absolution with 4 mids...wow
Hope it comes true tbh
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dor amwar
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:43:00 -
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i don't want to moan, but it seems there are not actually many moans from minmatar really. agreen huginn is a good ship even if the tp is a waste. it just seems to me devs drop the ball on some of the ships, like they copy and paste to the wrong ship ur something. wolf/jag falloff/optimal switch, shield boost on what is supposed to the fleet bs ... tanking a sniper?
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.10.10 12:59:00 -
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Man... an Abso with 4 mids would be just great.
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Barry Cuda
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.10.10 13:06:00 -
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I'm very skeptical that these are real. The zealot should have a bigger drone bay and doesn't have the bandwidth stats on it. It's either old or fake.
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Tharsgaard
Caldari Fukd up Beyond all Reckognition
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Posted - 2007.10.10 13:07:00 -
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Is it just me, or is the fact the title of the image is "chaos_shop" not giving anyone a hint? ---------------
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Telsia McNauley
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Posted - 2007.10.10 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: dor amwar
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: dor amwar
it's not like minmatar have any other ship that is at the top in it's class (not the top. minnies need a boost not a nerf. if they are so overpowered, why aren't they being produced in mass as shown here?
t2 ship builds
Err? Take a new look at that list, you'll notice that the Cerb and the Vaga are the only HACs on that list. Tells you something.
look at my post agin, as i said, at the top. my point being that minmatar have mostly middle of the road ships. i think the good doctor shows that minmatar are now last on the list considering his data does not show the recent amarr boost.
we have a ceptor at the top, but not the top because it is not the fastest ceptor. that's funny because i thought minnie specialty was supposed to be speed
I'm sorry but those stats don't prove anything. Judging by those stats you'd have to conclude that the buzzard is far and away the best cov-ops ship. None of the others even appear on the list. But it isn't the best. Cheetah is superior because it has speed. How about looking at the Cerberus. Do you think that's the best HAC? Really?
Basically, just because a lot of people fly a ship, doesn't mean its automatically overpowered. Minmatar have a heap of good ships. They're a hard race to fly, requiring player skill and sp skill, but if you invest that time you can do an awful lot of damage with them.
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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.10.10 15:26:00 -
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it's named "chaos_new", last I checked.
But really - the most obvious proof it's shopped is that the station interface pane at the righthand border of the screen has transparency (you can see the big bold letters of text from the station background shimmer through). Yet the show info tabs on these ships are completely opaque.
Buff room for large link addresses in sigs plz :( |
dor amwar
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.10 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Telsia McNauley
Originally by: dor amwar
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: dor amwar
it's not like minmatar have any other ship that is at the top in it's class (not the top. minnies need a boost not a nerf. if they are so overpowered, why aren't they being produced in mass as shown here?
t2 ship builds
Err? Take a new look at that list, you'll notice that the Cerb and the Vaga are the only HACs on that list. Tells you something.
look at my post agin, as i said, at the top. my point being that minmatar have mostly middle of the road ships. i think the good doctor shows that minmatar are now last on the list considering his data does not show the recent amarr boost.
we have a ceptor at the top, but not the top because it is not the fastest ceptor. that's funny because i thought minnie specialty was supposed to be speed
I'm sorry but those stats don't prove anything. Judging by those stats you'd have to conclude that the buzzard is far and away the best cov-ops ship. None of the others even appear on the list. But it isn't the best. Cheetah is superior because it has speed. How about looking at the Cerberus. Do you think that's the best HAC? Really?
Basically, just because a lot of people fly a ship, doesn't mean its automatically overpowered. Minmatar have a heap of good ships. They're a hard race to fly, requiring player skill and sp skill, but if you invest that time you can do an awful lot of damage with them.
people train up for a ship that they can. clearly others races ships have had the upper hand for a while and people fly them because they are easier to get into (less training time) and perform well. at one time minmatar had a payback in the long training time for split systems in both weapons and tanking. not anymore.
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MITSUK0
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Posted - 2007.10.10 16:08:00 -
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Tharsgaard
Caldari Fukd up Beyond all Reckognition
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Posted - 2007.10.10 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ishina Fel it's named "chaos_new", last I checked.
But really - the most obvious proof it's shopped is that the station interface pane at the righthand border of the screen has transparency (you can see the big bold letters of text from the station background shimmer through). Yet the show info tabs on these ships are completely opaque.
You got to the party late then, This is what was originaly linked. ---------------
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.10.10 17:30:00 -
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Tbh this is the original
This is the one with the suspect numbers highlighted
If you look at the numbers that have changed, zoom in and you will see traces of the old shadows of those numbers. Some 3's have shadow of 5s etc. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tharsgaard
Originally by: Ishina Fel it's named "chaos_new", last I checked.
But really - the most obvious proof it's shopped is that the station interface pane at the righthand border of the screen has transparency (you can see the big bold letters of text from the station background shimmer through). Yet the show info tabs on these ships are completely opaque.
You got to the party late then, This is what was originaly linked.
No, it wasnt.
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Aleranie
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Posted - 2007.10.10 17:49:00 -
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Keep in mind the op on shc was sarmaul, who just LOVES fake patch notes
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acompton
Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Aleranie Keep in mind the op on shc was sarmaul, who just LOVES fake patch notes
I have recently been engaged as Sarmaul's internutz lawyer to request a retraction of said statement.
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Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.10 21:24:00 -
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From SHC:
Originally by: Sarmaul If someone could point out that for one, this wasn't actually anything to do with me I would appreciate it :/
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Arthur Frayn
Veterans Of Liberation
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Posted - 2007.10.10 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 10/10/2007 21:38:58 I hope they add a 6th turret to the Vulture if this change is real. Otherwise, why bother flying one when the cheaper Eagle will do a better sniping job with its damage bonus? Vulture will be good for bait, gang bonuses and little else.
-- Eve needs a dose of Top Gun without the sweaty shower scenes. |
Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.10 21:52:00 -
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See claymore and damnation and compare with sacriledge and vaga/muninn.
Those ships ARE for gangbonuses.
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Arthur Frayn
Veterans Of Liberation
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Posted - 2007.10.10 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel See claymore and damnation and compare with sacriledge and vaga/muninn.
Those ships ARE for gangbonuses.
Making the Vulture even less worthwhile? I might just buy one for the cheapness factor.
-- Eve needs a dose of Top Gun without the sweaty shower scenes. |
Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:07:00 -
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How exactly is it less worthwhile than the damnation or claymore?
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Arthur Frayn
Veterans Of Liberation
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel How exactly is it less worthwhile than the damnation or claymore?
Ahh, I thought you meant that the Claymore and Damnation gave better gang bonuses than the Vulture. My mistake.
I get the idea that the primary role of Fleet Command ships is gang support, but they should still have slightly superior firepower to Hacs. But then again, only the Eos can lay claim to that. An extra turret for the Vulture, Claymore and an extra launcher for the Damnation would help. Or take away two turrets from the Eos if Hacs really should have better gank.
-- Eve needs a dose of Top Gun without the sweaty shower scenes. |
Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.10 23:40:00 -
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The real point behind the fleet commands is to have a strong tank. Their main use for a fleet comes from their gang assist modules, not their dps.
I totally agree that the eos is out of line with the other fleet commands - very likely that the drone bandwidth changes will eliminate most of this though. Also, CCP said in the khanid devblog that they plan a general balancing/redesign of the fleet commands to make them more suitable for their roles.
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Nahno
Roast Beef Double Swiss Transport
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:09:00 -
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Eagle needs a 6th turret tbh.
/me ducks
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:11:00 -
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I just logged on to the "Closed" Beta Server.. and checked the ship models against the OP's pictures.
Lets just say they do not represent the truth....
Unless there is another "Closed Beta"/"Special Server" out there where he is pulling it from.
So I call Bull S**t on that one.
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Spenz
Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel The real point behind the fleet commands is to have a strong tank. Their main use for a fleet comes from their gang assist modules, not their dps.
I totally agree that the eos is out of line with the other fleet commands - very likely that the drone bandwidth changes will eliminate most of this though. Also, CCP said in the khanid devblog that they plan a general balancing/redesign of the fleet commands to make them more suitable for their roles.
Certainly is out of line....out of line that it is by far the WORST fleet command ship you can possibly buy. It's an Astarte with the ability to field more than 1 gang link. Other than that one advantage, it has a crappy tank (for a CS), completely unsuitable weapons for a command ship (drones and blasters haha hurray for long range), and by far the WORST gang link bonus imaginable.
Eos needs a redesign. If they are going to blatantly nerf it because of people who throw paper dps all over the place like its fact, they should at least change it so that it is actually useful in its role and not just another victim of whines.
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