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Cringeley
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gorefacer Why would you actively try and recruit people opportunistic enough to turn against fellow allies and friends (not necessarily the "hated" BoB) when the heat is turned up? Seems to me like poor recruiting practices altogether.
What do you mean "not necessarily the 'hated' BoB"? That's exactly what we're talking about, people with the courage and self respect to tell BoB to **** off and, above all, people who are willing to at least try to see past the nasty stereotypes BoB and others have propagated about goonswarm, Red Alliance and our other allies. Those people we'll never have a problem with (though when the current wars over we might have some nice, straight, honest wars with our newfound buddies, but wars that aren't about labeling ourselves the "parents" of the Eve community or "controlling people's game").
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Arl
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:31:00 -
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Quote: No offense, Yirr, but BoB treats their pets and allies who aren't MC like utter ****. You guys talk down to us on TS and in chat. I remember one instance, back when I first joined RISE, where we joined BoB TS and were told to stfu. When one of our members accidentally talked over Sir Molle while giving a scouting report all RISE members were moved to a channel named "whiney noobs." Don't even get me started on the "pep talk" Yaay gave us. That was just plain insulting. Yet another time I was on BoB TS during an assault on FAT and a member of FIX stated that they had been a member of DICE. Someone in BoB then said "You left BoB for FIX? That's just plain stupid." I'm sure that made everyone in FIX feel soooooo warm and fuzzy inside.
Pretty asinine behavior towards an alliance that essentially protects your eastern flank. I don't blame M.Pire, an alliance can only take so much.
Some RISE guy posted that on another forum. I feel sorry for anyone that has to put up with that, oh wait I guess you don't have to put up with something like that.
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Alice Cholmondeley
I Am Legend
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Arl
Some RISE guy posted that on another forum. I feel sorry for anyone that has to put up with that, oh wait I guess you don't have to put up with something like that.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Arl
Some RISE guy posted that on another forum. I feel sorry for anyone that has to put up with that, oh wait I guess you don't have to put up with something like that.
fohguild.org, FTW...
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Starfall Hammer
Starfall Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: Arl
Some RISE guy posted that on another forum. I feel sorry for anyone that has to put up with that, oh wait I guess you don't have to put up with something like that.
Goon TS is much better loving epic stuff right there.
In case this is too subtle for you simple goons, I think she is trying to tell you she is spying on you!!11
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Drago Vanguard
Vanguard Corporation
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:07:00 -
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I firmly believe that if the Goons didn't project the immage they do on CAOD, RISE may have been convinced to switch sides. The Goon CAOD trolls not only enhance but perhaps created the negative stereotypes of Goons that BoB supposidly propogates. Who wants to be on the same side as those bunch of ******s?
The anti-RISE propoganda greatly deminished the effect of the pleas that RISE would switch sides (which would be it's own propoganda coup), and that's where the Goons have failed. If I were in charge of the propoganda war, I would be very annoyed.
As it stands, they seem to hate Goons more than they hate BoB, although there is no love lost for either.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Drago Vanguard Edited by: Drago Vanguard on 11/10/2007 11:13:30 Edit: Just one useful tidbit of information to help you along. RISE hasn't paid any rent since at least August.
Kinda hard to make money for rent when you're cowering in a station 23/7...
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Gorefacer
Caldari Resurrection
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cringeley
Originally by: Gorefacer Why would you actively try and recruit people opportunistic enough to turn against fellow allies and friends (not necessarily the "hated" BoB) when the heat is turned up? Seems to me like poor recruiting practices altogether.
What do you mean "not necessarily the 'hated' BoB"? That's exactly what we're talking about, people with the courage and self respect to tell BoB to **** off and, above all, people who are willing to at least try to see past the nasty stereotypes BoB and others have propagated about goonswarm, Red Alliance and our other allies. Those people we'll never have a problem with (though when the current wars over we might have some nice, straight, honest wars with our newfound buddies, but wars that aren't about labeling ourselves the "parents" of the Eve community or "controlling people's game").
If I left RISE I would be leaving the friends I have in game who I joined RISE with. I don't personally interact with anyone in BoB. I've never convo'd a BoB member and never had a TS convoersation with a BoB member. That is what I meant by leaving allies (not necessarily the "hated" BoB).
I realize that at one point someone in BoB claimed to want to destroy "goons" gaming experience by banishing them to lowsec/empire forever. The message in the earlier guys "convert to goons" post held an eerily similar message. I don't condone that comming from either side.
If the "reason" to fight a war is because you disagree with the opinions or messages from a handful of member out of thousands from the opposite side then either side can easily "justify" the moral right to destroy the enemy many times over.
The average player enjoys the war and PVP in general because it is an enjoyable aspect of the game. If I get tired of it I'll go pirate in lowsec, get tired of that haul/trade in empire, get tired of that go back to 0.0. Any way you slice it there will always be something I haven't done in awhile that will keep my attention. Being on a losing side of any war in EVE will not cause me to look at myself in the mirror with shame or hang myself in the shower. If it did, I wouldn't be paying money to play this game, I'd use it to get psychiatric help.
"You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus |
Gorefacer
Caldari Resurrection
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nekumi
Originally by: Gorefacer
Originally by: Orebuster Edited by: Orebuster on 11/10/2007 09:08:52 Edited by: Orebuster on 11/10/2007 09:07:53
Originally by: Ivor Gunn Maybe you should convo RISE. They might be willing to switch sides.
We did this. Space was immediately lost. We looked to pieces of RISE who were willing to listen to reason. They asked for help. We sent it to them, and they were able to hold their space. They now own 2 stations and pay no rent, their obligation is to have fun, and not support BoB. They join numerous other alliances and corps that once paid rent to an entity that offered hollow protection.
Those that offer a hand of friendship to the coalition get a handshake, those that prefer to support the paper tiget that is BoB get a fast trip back to empire. Some of the BoB pets are allowed to move deeper into the space the coalition will be in soon, at 6B per corp, per system.
Think about what you want to do. Fly with the past, or join the future.
Think about what side you want to be on, do you want to be a pet, or a pilot?
Don't let your employment history make your character obsolete. If you like to rat, you can, if you like to build, you can, if you like to fight, you can.
The old model is subjugation and rent. The new model is freedom and self-respect. Think about it, and pick a side.
Your future is "freedom", where your employment history can make your character "obsolete"?
Asking for rent to occupy their space sounds a lot less dictatorial than trying to banish another players character from ever enjoying 0.0 life again and making them "obsolete".
I don't necessarily support BoB's "space renting" format for allies, but so far the hour of ratting/hauling a month has been worth it to fly alongside game friends. I never joined RISE for the purpose of being "protected" by BoB, as such their absence has not outraged me at all. The elements of threat, disrespect, and my theoretical "obligations" do a disservice to achieving the surface apparent goal of alliance conversion in your post.
Basically BoB's space renting model is not ideal, but it sounds like what you are presenting is also not ideal. Which is the lesser of two evils is obviously up for debate.
Why would you actively try and recruit people opportunistic enough to turn against fellow allies and friends (not necessarily the "hated" BoB) when the heat is turned up? Seems to me like poor recruiting practices altogether.
Also I play this game for fun, not self-respect, hopefully people don't garner their self respect primarily through their actions in a virtual world.
Are you honestly still having fun where you are? Paying an absentee protector so you can act as a meatshield doesn't seem to be much fun from my point of view, especially when you have the honour of 'pep' talks and are perceived as nothing more than peons.
I feel sorry that you guys can't and couldn't see an alternative to this and I in no way mean to belittle you or your alliance when I say this but your decisions have been bad ones. Goonswarm never cared that you wanted to shoot us, it was always about the banner under which you chose to do it.
I hope that in the future you can take the examples of some of the other entities out there and try an reclaim some dignity and self respect when all this is said and done.
You "feel sorry for me"?
For what? Enjoying the company of my game friends? Being on a side that happens to be losing?
"reclaim some dignity and self respect"?
We obviously have different priorities in life in general. If anything I feel sorry for you.
"You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus |
HotSeat
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: HotSeat on 11/10/2007 11:52:01 What a load of crap !
Fact is a force of 25 people took your space. Time and time again RISE engaged and failed, too the point where you would not engage at all and just left members too loose ships too us. Most of the time there was more RISE in system then our force, but they did nothing to help there fellow members.
How many times did PL kill a cap ship outside your Sov 4 stn? I lost count tbh.
Only once do I ever recall at least one person undocking in a black bird too at least try and help the cap pilot out.
Friends? Sorry you need to find another corp or alliance, too know what that means in EVE
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Tzasha Kat
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: HotSeat Edited by: HotSeat on 11/10/2007 11:52:01 What a load of crap !
Fact is a force of 25 people took your space. Time and time again RISE engaged and failed, too the point where you would not engage at all and just left members too loose ships too us. Most of the time there was more RISE in system then our force, but they did nothing to help there fellow members.
How many times did PL kill a cap ship outside your Sov 4 stn? I lost count tbh.
Only once do I ever recall at least one person undocking in a black bird too at least try and help the cap pilot out.
Friends? Sorry you need to find another corp or alliance, too know what that means in EVE
PL, 2005 wants its strategy back.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tzasha Kat
Originally by: HotSeat Edited by: HotSeat on 11/10/2007 11:52:01 What a load of crap !
Fact is a force of 25 people took your space. Time and time again RISE engaged and failed, too the point where you would not engage at all and just left members too loose ships too us. Most of the time there was more RISE in system then our force, but they did nothing to help there fellow members.
How many times did PL kill a cap ship outside your Sov 4 stn? I lost count tbh.
Only once do I ever recall at least one person undocking in a black bird too at least try and help the cap pilot out.
Friends? Sorry you need to find another corp or alliance, too know what that means in EVE
PL, 2005 wants its strategy back.
You forgot to sign your post "-- Seleene"
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Lee Bian
Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Goon TS is much better loving epic stuff right there.
are you implying there are spies in goonswarm clearly that's unheard of we must get to the bottom of this
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Ramlir
0.0 Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Goon TS is much better loving epic stuff right there.
That's almost as good as Avon casually mentioning he reads SA. Not quite though since it's obvious you're a pet alt and have no spying capability whatsoever.
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Moctobot
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:07:00 -
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man can you imagine being a bob spy on our forums right now
seeing the situation without the smoke and mirrors has to be just demoralizing as hell for them
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Martin Mckenna
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:17:00 -
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try make it more like this next time
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Natas Dog
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Drago Vanguard Who wants to be on the same side as those bunch of ******s?
Other like minded ******s. Them, and people who see through the hurf blurf. Personally, I wanted to keep RISE in the RIT triangle so we had someone close to home we could kick around after BoB falls.
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Veng3ance
New Dawn Rising Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:29:00 -
[108]
Ok let me get this straight.
You announced this same exact thing about a week ago.. then it never happened so you feel you need a second thread about the exact same thing?
I think I speak for most of the eve community. When I say STFU!
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Areena Shay
Shay Trading Company
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Veng3ance Ok let me get this straight.
You announced this same exact thing about a week ago.. then it never happened so you feel you need a second thread about the exact same thing?
I think I speak for most of the eve community. When I say STFU!
Right there is our thread winner.
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Natas Dog
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:39:00 -
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You heard. The Guy. Guys. Let's all. Go Ride. Bikes.
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Malvahn
Sativah Holandica
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Calimor Edited by: Calimor on 11/10/2007 02:03:59
Originally by: Stamm I like the picture. Is it something new, just for this announcement, or was it just something already around?
The image the OP posted is an artwork just for the Eye of Terror Campaign made by me. There's also an edited version by Laurn around, you can find here:
http://img.waffleimages.com/5ef6877656fbfbfe1951723a3fd530035a34c529/Eyeofterrorposterlargec2e150p.jpg
If you like, I wouldn't mind some donations
Also, if you want to print for poster, tell me your e-mail and I'll send a super high-res version.
How about you upload it and i'll nick it from there.
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MasterDecoy
Gallente The Grifters
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Natas Dog
Originally by: Laissezfaire I am looking at that photo and I notice the lack of shuttles and other usual Goon attack vessels.
I see what you did there. You guys photoshopped that image to make it look like you were invading. Clever!
Keep laughing, who do you think is next on the list; you or ISS?
do iss first!
Originally by: Evilempire1 good, im pentitioning you for slandering.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:23:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Purge Grenadier
Nuts!
Yep, that is the attitude that got you into this mess. Ignore the problems and act like everything will be fine. I mean, regulating member posting on CAOD is more important than actually fighting a war and leading your corporation.
Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread |
Drago Vanguard
Vanguard Corporation
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:25:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Drago Vanguard on 11/10/2007 15:26:16
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn bla bla bla
Guess who they made RISE chancellor.
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JeanPaul Sartre
26th of July Movement
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Alias11
Originally by: Atama Cardel
Originally by: Alias11
Originally by: Ivor Gunn
Originally by: Elohe Even if they changed side, they would not be in any way useful, so is better this way.
So you could say, it's like putting down a pet.
Pets are lovable, this is more like that bit in "to kill a mockingbird"
No, I think it's more like that part in "Of Mice and Men"
That would imply that rise has any redeeming characteristics whatsoever. Rise is a stray dog we shoot that makes our kid start respecting us as a father
You shoot strays? Here in Europe we take them to an animal welfare centre and have Rolf Harris look after them.. You sir are a bastard. --
Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: JeanPaul Sartre
Originally by: Alias11 That would imply that rise has any redeeming characteristics whatsoever. Rise is a stray dog we shoot that makes our kid start respecting us as a father
You shoot strays? Here in Europe we take them to an animal welfare centre and have Rolf Harris look after them.. You sir are a bastard.
And after Rolf Harris looks after them for a few weeks, they get shot anyway.
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JeanPaul Sartre
26th of July Movement
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco And after Rolf Harris looks after them for a few weeks, they get shot anyway.
Fiendish lie! Isn't it? Tell me its not true.. oh the puppies... *lip quivers* --
Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
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Johnfromshipping
Butcherbirds
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Originally by: Purge Grenadier
Nuts!
Yep, that is the attitude that got you into this mess. Ignore the problems and act like everything will be fine. I mean, regulating member posting on CAOD is more important than actually fighting a war and leading your corporation.
Did you get kicked out/forced out of RISE for posting on CAOD?
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benzss
Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:24:00 -
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i'm sure it's already been said
but yeah tri did it better
good luck R I S E, lol
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WARDNER
Gallente Res Publica R i s e
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Posted - 2007.10.11 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zastrow special thanks goes out to RISE today for not fueling your towers. Also thanks for the covetor I stole from the r4k POS
Whaouuu you stole a covetor great. Do you want a medal ?
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