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Spacy Tracy
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Posted - 2007.10.16 04:01:00 -
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I played this wrong, I know, but I'm wondering if there was anything I could have done once I made the mistake. Basically:
- I'm in an exploration Buzzard (no covops cloak). As I'm warping to the next gate, a red shows up in-system in a Sabre. - As I reach the gate he's already mwd'ing to the gate. - Foolishly I jump through. - Once on the other side, I attempt to warp off. He drops a bubble, mwd's over, webs. Dead.
Ok, so clearly, had I just waited on the gate he wouldn't have been able to do anything (if he aggresses, I jump and he can't follow). But, once I was on the other side, I'm wondering what I can do in the future to avoid this. ECM multispecs? ECM bursts?
Thanks!
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.16 04:05:00 -
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use cloak on buzzard next time?
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Entity One
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Posted - 2007.10.16 04:05:00 -
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You're already smarter than most Eve players. With that said, you should have just done exactly what you stated. Waited on the gate so he couldn't aggress. No need to fit unnecessary modules for a situation you shouldn't have gotten into.
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xHalcyonx
Amarr Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.16 04:06:00 -
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Use a cov-ops cloak. ------------------- ნỊs uʍop əpỊsdn |
Spacy Tracy
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Posted - 2007.10.16 04:07:00 -
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Reply 1 : I was basically instalocked, so there was no oppurtunity to cloak, IIRC.
Reply 2 : Ok, but there's a similar situation that you -can't- avoid. Jump through gate, enemy Sabre is sitting around cloaked. As soon as I move, the same thing happens. What can be done?
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xHalcyonx
Amarr Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.16 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Spacy Tracy Reply 1 : I was basically instalocked, so there was no oppurtunity to cloak, IIRC.
Reply 2 : Ok, but there's a similar situation that you -can't- avoid. Jump through gate, enemy Sabre is sitting around cloaked. As soon as I move, the same thing happens. What can be done?
No ship instalocks. Period. As soon as you click in a direction or warp, immedietly hit mwd and cloak simultaneously. It works at every gate camp I have been privy to. ------------------- ნỊs uʍop əpỊsdn |
Sasha Saucer
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Posted - 2007.10.16 04:15:00 -
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No way a Sabre can insta lock a Covert ops before cloaking without serious boosting or very lucky and lands with 2500 meters of you. Fit a bloody cloak on your ship
That said, if u had MWD back to the gate and he agressed u could have jumped back safely.
Thats really your only option once the bubble is dropped because he will outrun you.
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Spacy Tracy
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Posted - 2007.10.16 04:19:00 -
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Edited by: Spacy Tracy on 16/10/2007 04:21:04 Ok, here's a question then. There's a delay between when you select "warp to" something and when your ship starts moving. I've always waited until I hear the little decloak sound and see the ship juuust start moving before I hit the cloak. Are you saying that if I activate the cloak a split second after selecting warp-to, even before the client responds, I'll still cloak?
Second question : it would seem like a good idea to at least fit an ECM as a backup. Is a single Multispec II generally enough to blow off something like a Sabre?
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.10.16 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Spacy Tracy Edited by: Spacy Tracy on 16/10/2007 04:21:04 Ok, here's a question then. There's a delay between when you select "warp to" something and when your ship starts moving. I've always waited until I hear the little decloak sound and see the ship juuust start moving before I hit the cloak. Are you saying that if I activate the cloak a split second after selecting warp-to, even before the client responds, I'll still cloak?
Second question : it would seem like a good idea to at least fit an ECM as a backup. Is a single Multispec II generally enough to blow off something like a Sabre?
Yes. It can fail to work if the lag is extremely bad, (it's dangerous to try to run a covops through Jita because of this) but in 99% of situations it always works.
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GC13
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.16 04:27:00 -
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I've never executed this perfect little maneuver under fire, but it seems to be the standard. Do the following in quick succession:
1) Double click away from the gate, warpable objects, and anyone camping the gate. 2) Activate MWD. 3) Activate cloak.
If you do it right, your cloak will shimmer off then right back on, and you'll shoot way away from the gate.
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Sasha Saucer
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Posted - 2007.10.16 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Spacy Tracy Edited by: Spacy Tracy on 16/10/2007 04:21:04 Ok, here's a question then. There's a delay between when you select "warp to" something and when your ship starts moving. I've always waited until I hear the little decloak sound and see the ship juuust start moving before I hit the cloak. Are you saying that if I activate the cloak a split second after selecting warp-to, even before the client responds, I'll still cloak?
Second question : it would seem like a good idea to at least fit an ECM as a backup. Is a single Multispec II generally enough to blow off something like a Sabre?
First of all: To activate your cloak, as soon as you start moving your ship in any direction hit cloak. Covert ops cloaks allow you to warp cloaked.
Second: This issue was a Sabre was chasing you. As soon as you cloaked he would have dropped bubble and started orbiting. His speed and luck might decloak you. Unless your outside his bubble, head back to the gate and jump through. You will frustrate him enough for him to leave within 5min.
Third, Jamming him is risky. You risk agro and if it fails to work, your dead. But hey if your in a bind, try it, something is better than nothing.
I have been in this situation many times with 100x more lag in big fleet ops and have survived.
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Herring
Pimpology Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.10.16 04:56:00 -
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Yeah I think I would have waited for him to agress, maybe lined up with a planet or moon while he was trying to make up his mind. And like the other people in this thread have said, the cloak for this ship is essential. Don't leave home without it. Even in highsec. Never take it off.
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Dellirium Tremens
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Posted - 2007.10.16 06:13:00 -
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The dictor pilot got frustrated more than you though. He looked onto the killmail - Oh yeah, no cloak, it survived, lucky day! - then looked into the wreak - ****, no cloak at all!
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Merrick Solipsus
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.16 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: Spacy Tracy Edited by: Spacy Tracy on 16/10/2007 04:21:04 Ok, here's a question then. There's a delay between when you select "warp to" something and when your ship starts moving. I've always waited until I hear the little decloak sound and see the ship juuust start moving before I hit the cloak. Are you saying that if I activate the cloak a split second after selecting warp-to, even before the client responds, I'll still cloak?
Second question : it would seem like a good idea to at least fit an ECM as a backup. Is a single Multispec II generally enough to blow off something like a Sabre?
Yes. It can fail to work if the lag is extremely bad, (it's dangerous to try to run a covops through Jita because of this) but in 99% of situations it always works.
I can say this is the first time Ive heard of someone playing by sound.
You dont wait for sound or sight. The split second you give the warp command hit your cloak.
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Hydrogen
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.16 13:40:00 -
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I even flew through an enemy fleet of 80+ ships (bs with tacklers hello to IAC, AAA and RA :) )
Only sometimes my confidence frightens me, but...
1. Inertia stab (at least 1) 2. Nanofiber (at least 1) 3. MWD 4. Covert Ops cloak
all those 4 together work like a charm.
A. Warping into a gate camp on a gate: either your cloaked, then take your time and slowboat to gate, or you are uncloaked then doubleclick opposite direction, MWD and cloak and warp to a planet (never choose warp to 0 km - thats kinda stupid ;) )
B. Jumping into a gate camp: like mentioned here, you doubleclick the shortest way out of bubble, while still cloaked from jump and instantly hit MWD and then the cloak (until message: Your cloaking device is already active)
No losses so far at all...
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Flavia Clio
Ero Guro
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Posted - 2007.10.16 14:00:00 -
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Crappy set up is crappy.
Cvt-ops cloak on cvt-ops ship required.
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Rastigan
Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.16 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire use cloak on buzzard next time?
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Pedro Montana
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Posted - 2007.10.17 21:35:00 -
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Ive run multiple camps now in my explorer. Covert Ops cloak is a definate requirement. As others said. take a second or two while cloaked..pick a direction ..double click it to start moving trip the MWD/AB and the cloak. change direction in motion if needed to avoid the decloak.
odds are good with a MWD even if he decloaks ya of being outside of the bubble.
a Istab or nano in low arent a bad idea either.
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Gor Kraon
Minmatar Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.17 22:09:00 -
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Jumping through was probably the best choice at the time, a Sabre has a pretty high alpha for its size. I don't know if a covops could really take it... However, once you jumped through you messed up. Since you know hes coming, and it only takes 1/2 a sec to drop a bubble once hes in system (needs to decloak), you should have held cloak. Wait as long as you dare, up to the 30 sec timer on cloaking from jump. Now you have 2 choices, instead of just the one you took:
1. MWD and cloak towards any celestial body, out of the bubble and warp. Ideally this would be the choice if his bubble is far away from you and so is he. If he bubbled in a hurry it may not even be in range. 2. MWD back to the gate and jump through. With lag, its pretty impossible to stop something fast from getting back to the gate in time. And if he did try, and fail, you would escape and he gets aggression delay, so you are home free.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.10.17 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 17/10/2007 23:23:46
Originally by: Gor Kraon Jumping through was probably the best choice at the time, a Sabre has a pretty high alpha for its size. I don't know if a covops could really take it... However, once you jumped through you messed up. Since you know hes coming, and it only takes 1/2 a sec to drop a bubble once hes in system (needs to decloak), you should have held cloak. Wait as long as you dare, up to the 30 sec timer on cloaking from jump. Now you have 2 choices, instead of just the one you took:
1. MWD and cloak towards any celestial body, out of the bubble and warp. Ideally this would be the choice if his bubble is far away from you and so is he. If he bubbled in a hurry it may not even be in range. 2. MWD back to the gate and jump through. With lag, its pretty impossible to stop something fast from getting back to the gate in time. And if he did try, and fail, you would escape and he gets aggression delay, so you are home free.
I have never seen a sabre with howi, so he wouldnt alpha you. If he did have howi and you were afraid of the alpha, what do you think that pressing mwd and moving back to gate would do with your signature. Without cloak active that is.
without cloak, just turn around and warp out, with cloak mwd+cloak trick. _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Gaige Gamba
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.18 00:00:00 -
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I get the sense you have not mastered the art of the ninja-flicker. (Double-click next to the object you are warping to, hotkey mwd, hotkey cloak just after. Your ship shouldn't even fully decloak from the gate cloak before recloaking.)
Once you are through a gate, you are just about safe unless you don't have a mwd, land deep in the bubble, and they are dragging the bubble with speedy ships + drones.
It's undocking, and in some cases, warping into a bubble, that you are not so safe. (Or logging on then immediately going afk, like I did once. Forgot I logged off at a POS in lowsec...)
Hope that helps.
-GG ~
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.18 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gaige Gamba I get the sense you have not mastered the art of the ninja-flicker. (Double-click next to the object you are warping to, hotkey mwd, hotkey cloak just after. Your ship shouldn't even fully decloak from the gate cloak before recloaking.)
Once you are through a gate, you are just about safe unless you don't have a mwd, land deep in the bubble, and they are dragging the bubble with speedy ships + drones.
It's undocking, and in some cases, warping into a bubble, that you are not so safe. (Or logging on then immediately going afk, like I did once. Forgot I logged off at a POS in lowsec...)
Hope that helps.
-GG
Listen to this guy. He's never lost a covops... except for the time he logged on and went AFK at a lowsec POS.
I think he's learned from that experience. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars. |
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