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albert camus
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.10.16 18:21:00 -
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Raiiden, please leave this thread. I am very intrested in the viwes of the comunity on this matter and your smack is really ruining the thread. Please dont reply to this, feel free to make a reply to the topic but the smack is just derailing an intresting thread.
To the op, takeing the current isk rate on ebay/internet about $60 per bill, how much cash have you cost them?
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mmm haulers
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Posted - 2007.10.16 18:28:00 -
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as much as i almost feel bad for this poor isk farmer...
definately ransom them for protection! you could make them eject from ships and scoop them into your hold if you're worrying about money transfers. i'm sure if they donated a hulk a week for your most charitable protection, you'd both be better off.
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CampyloBacter
Gallente Chlamydia Online
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Posted - 2007.10.16 19:20:00 -
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I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for any Isk seller.
-Pleading poverty in the world's fastest growing economy????
Click here to weep for China
There's plenty of opportunity in China. This sort of thing is simply the path of least effort for these people.
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Laura Steel
The Chaotic Order Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.10.16 20:25:00 -
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I see real life and in game as two different places. Ignore whatever they say about real life and just do what you would normally do in the game. ----
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Vrognem
Ardent Adversary Anvil.
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Posted - 2007.10.16 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price I don't give a flying damn if this is their 'only method' of income. It has no place in a game, end of. People's out-of-game lives are none of my business or concern.
Grief them as much as you can good sir.
Signed.
'So of course they are poor and this is their only source of income.'
HANG ON? What the hell did they do before eve came along? Farm monopoly money? No sympathy from me, that's a 'bull' excuse.
ISK farmers should be treated like the OP has been. Keep up the good work.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.16 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Raiiden lol ok i told you,
i never bought any characters off ebay, just because you've been playing this game longer than me and i spank you, doesnt mean you suck... wait yes it does.
haha u dumb !@#$^&*!@#
come get me i double dogg dare ya ya fuzzy pink pie-rat haha
I bet you pick up all the ladies with that smooth tongue of yours...wait, your single, quel suprise
There, there little troll, don't get too upset
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Mr Bodacious
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.10.16 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Bodacious on 16/10/2007 21:28:40 quoted the wrong guy and dont feel like re-doing my post... deleted.
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Raiiden
Gallente Pangalactic Aquisitions
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Posted - 2007.10.16 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Laura Steel I see real life and in game as two different places. Ignore whatever they say about real life and just do what you would normally do in the game.
^^ thats right evenstarrrrr
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Major Death
Caldari Space Salvage Incorperated
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Posted - 2007.10.16 21:48:00 -
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I know of one Irish pharmer (granted hes on another MMORPG but I suspect the example holds for EVE) who pretends to be from either China or India.
There was an ISK macro pharmer in Solitude in 2006 who used to play the Chinese card, but if you ****ed him off enough his english would suddenly improve.
My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) |
Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:00:00 -
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I've found some of the "perma-ratters" to be rather cheeky in local. It doesn't take long before they learn to be more polite.
There may be some people in certain nations selling isk for cash and their isk per hour will be better than rural wages which is some cases are as low as $0.20US per hour or less. The revenue from isk farming is significantly more, and better than being a taxi driver. Not only that but I'm sure they find ratting in eve a lot more fun than working a regular job.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Originally by: rycar Devian 666 is awesome quote this if you're down
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.10.16 23:39:00 -
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Except when they anger their boss because they losing income due to being yarrred and get no food for that day
Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.17 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Except when they anger their boss because they losing income due to being yarrred and get no food for that day
Sucks if they work on commission.
I reward myself with beer on the basis of damage done. I really need some more dps atm.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Originally by: rycar Devian 666 is awesome quote this if you're down
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Night Tripper
Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2007.10.17 02:18:00 -
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kill them for sure, just wish we could hunt down the people actually buying the ISK.
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Helen Hunts
Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:33:00 -
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Check the forums. Every now and then some chump starts a thread, crying about how his wallet is suddenly negative. He's been caught buying ISK. Since he's got a negative wallet, he can't set up buy/sell orders or replenish his ammo any time soon. Do him a favor and help him collect the insurance on his ships.....all his ships. Eventually, he'll have a positive wallet, and a whole new outlook on obeying the rules. _______________________________
Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.10.17 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kzool Well, I'll continue to share stuff, happening to me in Delve. Just think it can be interesting to others too. After great battle vs isk farmers, which i discribed early (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=601388) some time has passed. Farming isk myself I made some fun in between, killing other farmers around, sometimes with help of my aeon and sometimes without.
But lately I got the conversation with their leader, or the person, who claims to be one. He told me that next time I use my aeon they'll ask BoB to help them to kill it Well, it was interesting info for me to know, but that day I killed his raven anyway. After that he asked my e-mail. That was hilarious. Ofc i was very curious about what'll happen next and gave it to him.
Next day i got The Letter. Half of it was in heroglifs and half in english (i mean in bad english, probably auto-translated). And here it is:
You have succeeded in making me feel bad for the isk farmers. Congrats!
By the way, did you know that in Chinese there is a single word for the phrase: Death Before Submission.
-Karlemgne
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.10.17 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: iiOs I pay to play and dont want isk farmers to ruin what I pay for, keep killing them and tell them to get a real job or go farm WOW
But of course, you don't mind people who trade isk for gtc, they don't "ruin" what you pay for.
All other things aside, I've met a lot of annoying people in eve, and the CLOSEST who have come to "ruining what I pay for" have not been isk farmers, but RL jack***** who have nothing better to do than smack talk, and act ********.
-Karl
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.10.17 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Helen Hunts Check the forums. Every now and then some chump starts a thread, crying about how his wallet is suddenly negative. He's been caught buying ISK. Since he's got a negative wallet, he can't set up buy/sell orders or replenish his ammo any time soon. Do him a favor and help him collect the insurance on his ships.....all his ships. Eventually, he'll have a positive wallet, and a whole new outlook on obeying the rules.
Actually, what he'll probably do is buy GTCs and pay a little extra for his isk. He will then be in the positive, once more through the power of his wallet rather than "working" off his debt. Meaning he'll have obeyed the rules, but still win because he's got more money, and thus more isk, than you.
Either that or he'll quit the game if he's on the poor side. Great system when you think about it. Protect people who "can't afford" to buy isk by putting the *buyers* in the negative, thus forcing the poorer buyers out of the game, while insuring the more wealthy buyers continue to cheat the system by "buying isk." Awesome. At least CCP gets a cut of the wealthy dudes cash from there on out.
-Karl
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.10.17 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Devian 666 I've found some of the "perma-ratters" to be rather cheeky in local. It doesn't take long before they learn to be more polite.
There may be some people in certain nations selling isk for cash and their isk per hour will be better than rural wages which is some cases are as low as $0.20US per hour or less. The revenue from isk farming is significantly more, and better than being a taxi driver. Not only that but I'm sure they find ratting in eve a lot more fun than working a regular job.
No actually, its not more fun. Having made video games for some time, staring at the same friggen' game 12 hours a day, 7 days a week (yes that's right) for 6 months gets kind of old.
Other than that, I agree with what you said.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.10.17 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price I don't give a flying damn if this is their 'only method' of income. It has no place in a game, end of. People's out-of-game lives are none of my business or concern.
Grief them as much as you can good sir.
I kill isk farmers daily, but this attitude is repulsive. Essentially I hear the following:
"I don't care if what I do affects people adversely. If me blowing up some guy in game causes him to get fired, his family to starve, who cares? Better yet, if I said or did something in game that got someone beaten, injured, or killed, it doesn't really matter. I am playing a GAME and if they were forced by life conditions to get a job playing a game, well **** them. Maybe they ought to move to a better country, but mostly, I don't give a rats ass."
-Karl
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Joskken Inx
PURE Legion Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.17 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: Stuart Price I don't give a flying damn if this is their 'only method' of income. It has no place in a game, end of. People's out-of-game lives are none of my business or concern.
Grief them as much as you can good sir.
I kill isk farmers daily, but this attitude is repulsive. Essentially I hear the following:
"I don't care if what I do affects people adversely. If me blowing up some guy in game causes him to get fired, his family to starve, who cares? Better yet, if I said or did something in game that got someone beaten, injured, or killed, it doesn't really matter. I am playing a GAME and if they were forced by life conditions to get a job playing a game, well **** them. Maybe they ought to move to a better country, but mostly, I don't give a rats ass."
-Karl
Sit back and think about that. There exists a means to play a game, and beyond that, make a "living" off of it, and how exactly does this subject of "oh poor them" keep coming up? So, in this game we're playing here, you, me, everyone else, I'm not supposed to "hurt" certain types because their lives depend on it for income in real life? I hope that's not what you're implying that you find repulsive. It's repulsive to me that people with a PC(s) capable of playing Eve can't find a single use for it other than playing a game and making a couple bucks. That's called copping out.
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Joskken Inx
PURE Legion Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.17 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Delia Draguta Guys, you have no idea what it means to be poor...You have no idea how it is to not have where to work, and have other ppl work for less and less in your country, you have no idea how it is to actually work for minimal wage... I really mean it that you guys need to try at least to survive in a country like China or hell, even Eastern Europe... Stop being such snobs, and try to get out of your imaginary worlds in EVE and understand these ppls' suffering, then post on the forums...
I'd like to take "What the **** Does This Have to do With Eve?" for $1000, Alex
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Logi3
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.17 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Delia Draguta Guys, you have no idea what it means to be poor...You have no idea how it is to not have where to work, and have other ppl work for less and less in your country, you have no idea how it is to actually work for minimal wage... I really mean it that you guys need to try at least to survive in a country like China or hell, even Eastern Europe... Stop being such snobs, and try to get out of your imaginary worlds in EVE and understand these ppls' suffering, then post on the forums...
Yes so poor that they can:
A) Afford a PC B) Afford electrcity C) Afford internet connection D) Afford to play an Eve Sub
or
E) Afford to pay to play at an internet cafe F) Again, afford an Eve sub ----
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Milkman Dan
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.10.17 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: Milkman Dan on 17/10/2007 08:32:41 Edited by: Milkman Dan on 17/10/2007 08:32:04 You do realize that people will send email or eve mails saying anything to try and get the person that is trying to stop them from doing something?
It's real simple, the guy is tired of you bustin up his isk farmin buddies. He's tired of hearing about it every day he comes in to see how much isk they've raised to sell to the next chump that wants to buy it. When he sees that ONE GUY is messin up his milk cow, he's gonna do anything, and I mean anything, to get the guy(s) to stop.
With that said, he's probably trying to lay a guilt trip on you so that you will feel bad and stop, all the while he's full of crap and fuming behind his monitor, joking to his buddies that you'll fall for it.
In my opinion, keep griefin his sorry behind. Kill all of them. What's my reasoning behind my opinion? First off, they have computers which cost money, and they are computers that can run eve. Second, they are either paying for GTC's with isk, paying GTC's with real money, or holding the accounts down with real money. Either way, they are paying for something to keep the accounts going. They could easily use that money for food for their families, improve their condition of living, etc, etc.
Keep doing what you are doing. Don't accept anything from them, and keep blowin em up and taking their fittings and ship salvage. I feel you are providing a great service to the game. You are like a vermin exterminator.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2007.10.17 08:38:00 -
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In any other case I'd recommend brokering a deal with the player(s), which is a good way to get a steady revenue stream going. But you generally don't want to associate yourself with these criminals through wallet transactions, as that is how CCP traces ISK buyers.
I personally hold no sympathy for impoverished Chinese laborers who seek pity that they have become career criminals to augment their income beyond what is the norm. The living conditions of their nation are not my concern, only the legal implications of their actions. Justify them as you will, that does not alter their results or the legality.
This is merely another aspect of the profession they took up, and they must deal with it.
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Tular Ipvicus
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Posted - 2007.10.17 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Logi3
Yes so poor that they can:
A) Afford a PC B) Afford electrcity C) Afford internet connection D) Afford to play an Eve Sub
or
E) Afford to pay to play at an internet cafe F) Again, afford an Eve sub
Actually they can't. It's like saying the guy who builds your car must be rich because he can buy all those fancy robots that do the painting.
Hello? The guy who owns the isk farming operation buys all that stuff.
From what I understand there are a very few independent farmer types, but probably close to 99% of them aren't.
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Strife Phoenix
Acerbus Vindictum Nex Super Vos
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Posted - 2007.10.17 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Number 17 If you say this you trully understand NOTHING, of such countries. These people probably choose to play a game 12 hs a day to earn a little more than a dishwasher. And remember its ppl with dollars and Euros just like you who buy the ISK and keep this black market going.
P.S. This guy is even offering you a deal and you only laugh at him, either you are stupid or are VERY desperate for an easy kill. ))
What the hell does these countries economy, or lack of economy, got to do with anything? Selling in-game currency is a violation of the EULA regardless of WHY they do it. So basically what you are saying is to leave these "poor people" alone and let them continue with their rulebreaking-game-degrading-**** to their hearts content?!
Another fact, this IS a PvP oriented game as stated several times by different members of the CCP officials.
PvP does NOT exclude ISK sellers, farmers*, carebears, pirates, antipirates, scientists, traders or any other chosen profession related or unrelated to IRL business. If you can't cope with being blown to pieces then go somewhere else.. Hello kitty comes to mind for some reason.
Personally I would not make a deal with anyone proven to be involved in the ISK for RL cash or any other EULA breaking business for the simple reason that their "ransoms" paid to you might be hard to explain to CCP when their judgement day comes. So yes, I would laugh at him for trying to make a deal as well.
Please shut up, we certainly don't need any guardians of the ISKsellers here.
*Farmer does not necessarily mean a person violating the rules. By all means farm as many NPC you like as long as you don't sell the damn profits for IRL money.
Acerbus-Vindictum - Revelare Pecunia! |
vasco di
Gallente Aurora Security
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Posted - 2007.10.17 08:52:00 -
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I think some people in here need to get a little bit of perspective.
This is a game. People play games for lots of reasons. Some people play games for money and make a very nice living out of it.
I fail to see how their doing that spoils the game for anybody else. David Bekham makes a fortune playing football, I don't (because I'm rubbish), but I don't run over and kick him to stop him doing it and it doesn't spoil the game for me.
Somebody ratting or mining for rl cash has no impact on me in the game. Why should I worry about it? I know its against the EULA, but that is CCP's problem not mine. I would rather they didn't do it, but if it puts some food in a poor kids stomach, why not? Until CCP stop them anyway.
The main thing to get into perspective is that they are not doing anything illegal, they are breaking the terms of a contract. It is NOT the same thing. They are not growing/running/selling drugs and causing the deaths of young people all over the world, they are playing a game for cash. So, those of you that make that analogy are way off the mark. They are being exploited by the people who run the isk farming shops, there are probably 15 or 20 of them in a hot sweaty room grinding away at Eve for 12hrs a day to make very little money.
If you want to stop their ISK farming ops, then do. If not don't, but you can't compare their actions to the drug trade and its effects. They are doing the same as you, playing a game! They are also doing what people do all over the world, in thousands of different games, making a bit of money from it.
As already said in here, if you all stop buying ISK, they'll stop farming it! It's a simple matter of supply and demand. ISK farmers supply; the rest of the player community demands! So hunt down and kill the buyers if you are so irritated by the farmers. Don't forget, CPP make money from them too, they pay their fees and play.
Just so you know, I don't farm or buy ISK, but I have sold GTC's several times.
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Joskken Inx
PURE Legion Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.17 08:56:00 -
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Edited by: Joskken Inx on 17/10/2007 08:56:21 The point I was trying to make was if their "only opportunity" to make "minimal wage" was playing Eve..I want to see this place. Document it, show me. I'd like to know more about a place where the outlook on life is so bleak, they have to drag themselves to the internet cafe and "work" by playing a video game. This place, whether it exists or not or solely in the minds of a few sycophantic storytellers, I'd like to know much more about than these random one-off comments here. I'm tired of all these rumors and this weak anecdotal evidence. I concede your point on what you're saying Kzool, but the entire, and I mean literally the ENTIRE storyline that these guys are too poor/down on their luck/no opportunities/life:job:health:family depend on something as banal as Eve Online is utter and complete horse****.
The condensed version: Proof or stfu about the "poor macro/farmer" storyline
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Hooch Flux
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.17 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Joskken Inx Edited by: Joskken Inx on 17/10/2007 08:56:21 The point I was trying to make was if their "only opportunity" to make "minimal wage" was playing Eve..I want to see this place. Document it, show me. I'd like to know more about a place where the outlook on life is so bleak, they have to drag themselves to the internet cafe and "work" by playing a video game. This place, whether it exists or not or solely in the minds of a few sycophantic storytellers, I'd like to know much more about than these random one-off comments here. I'm tired of all these rumors and this weak anecdotal evidence. I concede your point on what you're saying Kzool, but the entire, and I mean literally the ENTIRE storyline that these guys are too poor/down on their luck/no opportunities/life:job:health:family depend on something as banal as Eve Online is utter and complete horse****.
The condensed version: Proof or stfu about the "poor macro/farmer" storyline
"Truth FTW", I say grief them. If they fight back even better! But it's all part of the game (RL situation has nothing to do with it!).
I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit...
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Lavraen
Minmatar Highwaymen
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Posted - 2007.10.17 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Delia Draguta Guys, you have no idea what it means to be poor...You have no idea how it is to not have where to work, and have other ppl work for less and less in your country, you have no idea how it is to actually work for minimal wage... I really mean it that you guys need to try at least to survive in a country like China or hell, even Eastern Europe... Stop being such snobs, and try to get out of your imaginary worlds in EVE and understand these ppls' suffering, then post on the forums...
Absolutely, take you for example, you are obviously aren't poor, because you can afford to waste money on a powerful pc and the subscription to play Eve instead of buying food and drugs...
They must be suffering if they are constantly mission whoring and mining, I mean maaan I'd rather repeatedly dock and undock in Jita than do that!
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