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Commander Tremor
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Posted - 2007.10.17 11:10:00 -
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looking at minmatar capital ships and comparing them to the other ships regarding shield amour and hit points every races ships are not only better equipped to take damage but also look 10000000000 times better I know u chaps put alot of time in desiging the ship in the game and up until captial ship minmatar hold there own. Rifter Hurricane, ugly but tank supreme typhoon and the ultimate in looks the maelstrom . But that is were it stops dreads carriers mother ships and titans are all yes all pathetic in looks and more important lacking in defensive attirbutes. I agree After a few faction , tech 2 fitting and rig fitting minmitar Capital ships can equal the lacklusture in making them more capable to take damage. (hense im not talking about dishing damage were i think they are equal) but in comparsion to another races let say the phoenix with full tech two , faction and rigs equip vs the same in minimitaar in the Naglfar the phoenix would have an unfair advantage and with same sp per player would win (eventually as captial 1 on 1 take forever ) hands down. what im asking is that u chaps in R&D really look hard in improving the minmatar captial ships I think its highly prejudice that u chaps turned off after making such an impact on non capital ships or just fell asleep when make minmatar captial ship. Please reply with your thoughts GM dev and paying members of the eve account community .
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.17 11:20:00 -
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Minmatar carrier is by far the best repping carrier. Minmatar dread has best DPS but is very skill intensive.
Both can be made to permatank without too much expensive gear, so you probably aren't using them right.
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Clueless Alt
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Posted - 2007.10.17 11:40:00 -
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eve warrior
Minmatar Filthy Scum
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Posted - 2007.10.17 11:48:00 -
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Nothing wrong with Minmatar Capital ships. You would like every ship to be exactly the same?
We have the best dread and our carrier may not be the best tanker or have the best dps but if used in gangs and fleets its the best for remote reping. I personaly thing thats the best use for a carrier as you are there to Support a gang and vice versa. When using my carrier in gangs i dont care about the dps, i concentrate on repping gang members and keeping them alive.
Should that not be your gaming style, then train for a capital that suits you.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.17 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 17/10/2007 12:14:45
Originally by: Commander Tremor ...but also look 10000000000 times better ...the ultimate in looks the maelstrom ...
WHAT
You're wrong. Nidhoggur and Naglfar are the sexiest capital ships in EVE, period. The Maelstrom is just ugly. Tempest looks amazing and Typhoon is just stylish. -----
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.17 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Tremor looking at minmatar capital ships and comparing them to the other ships regarding shield amour and hit points every races ships are not only better equipped to take damage but also look 10000000000 times better I know u chaps put alot of time in desiging the ship in the game and up until captial ship minmatar hold there own. Rifter Hurricane, ugly but tank supreme typhoon and the ultimate in looks the maelstrom . But that is were it stops dreads carriers mother ships and titans are all yes all pathetic in looks and more important lacking in defensive attirbutes. I agree After a few faction , tech 2 fitting and rig fitting minmitar Capital ships can equal the lacklusture in making them more capable to take damage. (hense im not talking about dishing damage were i think they are equal) but in comparsion to another races let say the phoenix with full tech two , faction and rigs equip vs the same in minimitaar in the Naglfar the phoenix would have an unfair advantage and with same sp per player would win (eventually as captial 1 on 1 take forever ) hands down. what im asking is that u chaps in R&D really look hard in improving the minmatar captial ships I think its highly prejudice that u chaps turned off after making such an impact on non capital ships or just fell asleep when make minmatar captial ship. Please reply with your thoughts GM dev and paying members of the eve account community .
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Trojanman190
Caldari Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.17 12:31:00 -
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It takes a specific kind of taste to be able to step into a minmatar ship.
Personally, the Scythe is the only one I can't stand. The maelstrom is one of my favorites. But seriously, our caps are ugly? They look amazing, easily the most agressive looking warships in EVE. The Ammar, Gallente, and Caldari are too pretty looking in my opinion, with the exception of the Caldari's bare gunmetal designs. The grungy sharpness of the minmatar capitals gives them a look that makes them look like warships as well as sets them apart from the other ships. The Naglfar is its own thing... you could paint that any color and it would still be marching to the beat of its own drum.
My only complaint with the minmatar carrier is its cap level. Other minmatar ships have the lowest cap in the game because their weapons dont take cap, where almost everybody else's do. None of the carriers require cap to be offensive, so why does the minmatar carrier get stuck with a worthless capacitor? At carrier 5 that 25% bonus to repping puts it someonewhat in line iwth other carriers for solid repping because their cap can hold out much better... thats pretty useless for everything else, like trying to stay alive in a fight. Minmatar are buddy buddy with gallente and their capitals have decent cap, I think the nid needs more cap.
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peroxide chase
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Posted - 2007.10.17 13:29:00 -
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Nidhoggur and Naglfar need more cpu (extreamly hard to shield tank) and the cpu of remote shield reps needs to be reduced.
Also with the triage module carriers remote rep more and faster and can quickly cap out.
IMO i would of liked to see more CPU and the bonus changed to 5% more shield hp boosted per level. More inline with the other shield tanking ships they have.
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Henry Sworddew
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Posted - 2007.10.17 14:33:00 -
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I'm training for Minmatar Caps not just because I'm Mini speced, but also because they look so daaaamn hot. Seriously - Naglfar is teh sex!
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.10.17 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Amy Wang on 17/10/2007 14:51:37
Originally by: Sokratesz Minmatar carrier is by far the best repping carrier. Minmatar dread has best DPS but is very skill intensive.
Both can be made to permatank without too much expensive gear, so you probably aren't using them right.
Minmatar Carrier is also by far the worst tanking carrier, yes it can run 2 capital reps indefinitely despite, but tbh which carrier cant except for the poorly set up ones.
Nids resists are still worst by far and so is the cap amount and while the change from a capital remote repair duration bonus to amount bonus did something good it still isnt enough of a boost to bring the ship in line with the others.
And a Naglfar is NOT the most damaging dread as it should be, it is outdamaged by the Moros despite having 4 highs for weapons and taking at least 3 weeks extra training time. Oh, the Moros is also more effective against smaller vessels and has an extra low slot, but I guess that surprises nobody as its Gallents so its supposed to be better it seems...
But seriously, both ships are the best looking ones of their class hands down, at least something, sigh.
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Twin blade
Minmatar The Triangle Exa Nation
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Posted - 2007.10.17 14:55:00 -
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The Nidhoggur is the best looking carrier in game hands down.
Cpu needs to be looked at since the Nid and Nag can't load a shield tank on that well due to insane cpu problems.
Our carrier got the best bonus as well.
Damage bonus is pointless you will have the enemy fleet/gang damp you more as less right away and force you to tranfair fighter's for them to do any damage.
Tank bonus is good but no gang/fleet = Nos/Neut to hell so no cap to tank with and so its only going to hold off your death for a few more seconds. !
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goodby4u
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.17 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: goodby4u on 17/10/2007 14:56:16
Originally by: Sokratesz Minmatar carrier is by far the best repping carrier. Minmatar dread has best DPS but is very skill intensive.
Both can be made to permatank without too much expensive gear, so you probably aren't using them right.
The moros and possibly even the rev do more dps.
Oh and if you then think its alpha,no the phoenix has more __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space. |
assassinator mkII
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Posted - 2007.10.17 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang Edited by: Amy Wang on 17/10/2007 14:51:37
Originally by: Sokratesz Minmatar carrier is by far the best repping carrier. Minmatar dread has best DPS but is very skill intensive.
Both can be made to permatank without too much expensive gear, so you probably aren't using them right.
Minmatar Carrier is also by far the worst tanking carrier, yes it can run 2 capital reps indefinitely despite, but tbh which carrier cant except for the poorly set up ones.
Nids resists are still worst by far and so is the cap amount and while the change from a capital remote repair duration bonus to amount bonus did something good it still isnt enough of a boost to bring the ship in line with the others.
And a Naglfar is NOT the most damaging dread as it should be, it is outdamaged by the Moros despite having 4 highs for weapons and taking at least 3 weeks extra training time. Oh, the Moros is also more effective against smaller vessels and has an extra low slot, but I guess that surprises nobody as its Gallents so its supposed to be better it seems...
But seriously, both ships are the best looking ones of their class hands down, at least something, sigh.
yea i was doing the math and even with out the drones(the moros has a crazy drone bonus) it does a little bit more dps. but when using the drones does a little over 2000 more dps
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Iteken Hotori
Minmatar Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.17 16:02:00 -
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N A G L F A R
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.17 16:06:00 -
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Nid if set-up with a proper shieldtank will tank loads and have awesome amounts of cap to waste on remote repping. Capacitor Power Relays FTMFW.
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Laura Steel
The Chaotic Order Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.10.17 16:22:00 -
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Did he call the Hurricane ugly? ----
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Rexy
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.17 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Rexy on 17/10/2007 16:28:47
Originally by: Sokratesz Nid if set-up with a proper shieldtank will tank loads and have awesome amounts of cap to waste on remote repping. Capacitor Power Relays FTMFW.
actually this is incorrect, the difference is very minor, and with armor repping being more efficient cap wise you can free up one med slot when compared to shieldtanking. Only when you start to use faction shield boost amplifiers the shield boosting starts to perform better. It will also tank significantly less then the amarr/caldari ones because those get a decent bonus. You can definitly forget about permarunning remote reppers with any sort of tank as well.
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Mou'adib
Gallente Ethical Dilemma
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Posted - 2007.10.17 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Mou''adib on 17/10/2007 16:39:02 the Naglfar is by far the best looking dread in game
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.10.17 16:45:00 -
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OP, press 'return' every once and a while. ----------------- Friends Forever
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.17 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rexy Edited by: Rexy on 17/10/2007 16:28:47
Originally by: Sokratesz Nid if set-up with a proper shieldtank will tank loads and have awesome amounts of cap to waste on remote repping. Capacitor Power Relays FTMFW.
actually this is incorrect, the difference is very minor, and with armor repping being more efficient cap wise you can free up one med slot when compared to shieldtanking. Only when you start to use faction shield boost amplifiers the shield boosting starts to perform better. It will also tank significantly less then the amarr/caldari ones because those get a decent bonus. You can definitly forget about permarunning remote reppers with any sort of tank as well.
The tank wil be comparable, with loads more cap to spare. It'll be able to permarun its own tank + one remote repper.
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mallina
Caldari Sybrite Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.17 17:11:00 -
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If you fit Cap Flux Coils to the Nid it can actually perma-shieldtank a LOT more DPS than if it were armour tanked. The only disadvantage to that is it makes itself a lot more vunerable to neuting due to lower total cap ---
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.10.17 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Amy Wang on 17/10/2007 17:28:48
Originally by: Twin blade Our carrier got the best bonus as well.
Damage bonus is pointless you will have the enemy fleet/gang damp you more as less right away and force you to tranfair fighter's for them to do any damage.
Tank bonus is good but no gang/fleet = Nos/Neut to hell so no cap to tank with and so its only going to hold off your death for a few more seconds.
More resists means your buddy carriers can remote repair you much fore efficiently so thats a considerable advantage. Repair bonus is nice, but just having it combined with having the weakest tank means making the Nid primary is highly likely and that means you wont get to use your bonus anyway as well as dying faster then the others.
On top of that is kinda weird that the carrier with a bonus for remote repair has at the same time the lowest cap amount so it caps out faster then the others so it doesnt repair more in the long run.
Originally by: mallina If you fit Cap Flux Coils to the Nid it can actually perma-shieldtank a LOT more DPS than if it were armour tanked. The only disadvantage to that is it makes itself a lot more vunerable to neuting due to lower total cap
can I have your shield tank setup for the Nid? keep in mind that 2 of 6 med slots need to be used for sensor booster unless you want to be worthless in a fight
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.17 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang
can I have your shield tank setup for the Nid? keep in mind that 2 of 6 med slots need to be used for sensor booster unless you want to be worthless in a fight
1 Will suffice to keep a lockrange of 20km regardless of the # of damps used:
capital shield booster, 2x boost amp, 2x invu field, sensorbooster 5x cap power relay (flux coils give a slightly better recharge but nerf your total cap amount too much IMO.)
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.10.17 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Amy Wang on 17/10/2007 17:42:15
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Amy Wang
can I have your shield tank setup for the Nid? keep in mind that 2 of 6 med slots need to be used for sensor booster unless you want to be worthless in a fight
1 Will suffice to keep a lockrange of 20km regardless of the # of damps used:
Arazu with moderate skills (recon 4, sensor damp spec 2 only) brings my Nid with 1 faction sensor booster down to 7km using 3 t2 damps...
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CaperPuts
Minmatar Life. Universe. Everything. Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.17 17:50:00 -
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Naglfar = Worst dread.
It does DECENT damage, I think the second highest, unless you use AC's. If you've ever actually flown one, you'd know that once you attack a POS, and an enemy fleet comes in... your lackluster tank makes you the number 1 target.
I have to admit they're the best looking ships in game. I sold my naglfar, and I'm thinking of getting a revelation instead if I ever do fly caps again.
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Rexy
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.17 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Rexy on 17/10/2007 17:53:43 Edited by: Rexy on 17/10/2007 17:52:37 lvl 5 char used in eft ---------------------------------- armor tank nidhogger 2x capital armor rep, 3x hardners 6x cap t2 3x ccc rigs 2557 dps repped, 217 cap used, peak recharge 358
---------------------------------- shield tank nidhogger with cap flux coils dc2,4x cap flux 2xinvul,2xt2 amp, citadel booster, cap recharger 2 3x ccc rigs 3671 dps repped, 222 drain 255 peak recharge (35000 total cap)
---------------------------------- shield tank nidhogger with cap relays dc2,4x caprelay 2xinvul,2xt2 amp, citadel booster, free slot 3x ccc rigs 2706 dps repped, 222 drain 281.5 peak recharge with free med 351.8 peak with recharger t2 in free med
with 5x relays the tank drops to 2355 dps tanked, with a 370 recharge. wich is not enough to tank and run the remote rep, 10 minutes according to eft.
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Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2007.10.17 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Laura Steel Did he call the Hurricane ugly?
everyone who thinks a dark stardestroyer looks ugly is doing something terribly, terribly wrong!
Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.17 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rexy
with 5x relays the tank drops to 2355 dps tanked, with a 370 recharge. wich is not enough to tank and run the remote rep, 10 minutes according to eft.(none of these setups will actually unless you disable one capital rep out of two)
EFT numbers on tank duration are bogged. Cap shield booster takes 200/s, same for a remote shield transporter. Thus, 400cap/s will permarun that.
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Twin blade
Minmatar The Triangle Exa Nation
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Posted - 2007.10.17 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang Edited by: Amy Wang on 17/10/2007 17:28:48
Originally by: Twin blade Our carrier got the best bonus as well.
Damage bonus is pointless you will have the enemy fleet/gang damp you more as less right away and force you to tranfair fighter's for them to do any damage.
Tank bonus is good but no gang/fleet = Nos/Neut to hell so no cap to tank with and so its only going to hold off your death for a few more seconds.
More resists means your buddy carriers can remote repair you much fore efficiently so thats a considerable advantage. Repair bonus is nice, but just having it combined with having the weakest tank means making the Nid primary is highly likely and that means you wont get to use your bonus anyway as well as dying faster then the others.
On top of that is kinda weird that the carrier with a bonus for remote repair has at the same time the lowest cap amount so it caps out faster then the others so it doesnt repair more in the long run.
I don't take carrier's to the front line if we know there is gona be a fairly large ammout of enemy's so its not been a problem having a bit of a weaker than.
It only reps less if you need to power your tank as well but given how i never use it in fleet scale fight's i hardly need a powerfull tank so can out rep the other carrier's. !
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ViperVenom
Labteck Corporation LTD. Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2007.10.17 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Minmatar carrier is by far the best repping carrier. Minmatar dread has best DPS but is very skill intensive.
Both can be made to permatank without too much expensive gear, so you probably aren't using them right.
Yup..... I shield tank my Nag cuz (1) in Cap world there cheap. (2) They Out DPS every thing with Faction ammo/Alot of SP. Plus if your worried bout tanking in a dread your already dead.
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