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mkint
757
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:52:00 -
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I have never felt less desire to vote in the CSM elections than I have in my 4 years in EVE. Whoever CCP wants to win, will win. EVE is going to see another year of nullbear buffs, and nerfs to anyone who would challenge their RMT empires. |
Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings
270
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:09:00 -
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I'll be running again too, obviously Member of CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5. Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:48:00 -
[33] - Quote
When should candidacy posts be made? |
Scortched Merc
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:53:00 -
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I'm running! E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your tears fuel my internet spaceship. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
243
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:55:00 -
[35] - Quote
Nicolo 2012 - Death To All NPC Corps |
Black Dranzer
137
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:58:00 -
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In before people don't vote and then later ***** about who got elected.
JUST LIKE IN AMERICA. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:11:00 -
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here is an idea make the voting for CSM like the character creation screen... pretty much on voting days after logging in you have the voting screen load... after you vote then you load the game... (an abtation option would be available to those who really dont want to vote...) but i am sure you will have a much more representational account for the players wishes...) |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
256
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:21:00 -
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Trebor's blog wrote:"It is simply this: unless you can honestly say that you have 1000 votes locked up and in the bag, running for CSM just increases the voting power of the organized blocs. You need to have a constituency behind you already."
Wouldn't it be fairer to say that unless you have 1000 votes already in the bag, you're going to have to get out there and properly campaign, debate with your competitors in some public manner, sell yourself to the masses, rather than just vomit up a halfarsed blog and JPSC thread and leave it at that?
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
TheLostPenguin
Surreal Departure
10
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:26:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:here is an idea make the voting for CSM like the character creation screen... pretty much on voting days after logging in you have the voting screen load... after you vote then you load the game... (an abtation option would be available to those who really dont want to vote...) but i am sure you will have a much more representational account for the players wishes...)
So 1/3 click something at random to make the silly random screen keeping them from their spaceships go away, 1/3 click the (in their view) prettiest avatar pic, 25% click the ugliest trollface because LOLOLOLOLOL, and the remainder make some sort of educated decision. Pretty much the same as at present just on a larger scale really, altho I'm probaly overexagerating the % that make any sort of educated/reasoned decision. If the vast majority of EVE dont care enough to get involved atm, they wont care any more if you shove it under their noses.
Also wtf is wrong with this forum atm? Typing this the text comes out at about 1/4 the speed I type whilst being interupted by the page semi-reloading frequently... |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
125
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:30:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:I'll be running. Should be interesting. Good luck everyone.
Kelduum, even though you and I don't have any love lost, I am glad to see you are running.
It is becoming clear that those that run the CSM are gaining an increasingly larger sway on the direction of Eve. With CCP more receptive to community ideas, it is paramount that a high sec bloc on the CSM exist to defend the interests of the high sec majority.
In a perfect world, you, Chribba, and someone from the BTL/TDF leadership would get in. That is extremely unlikely to happen, given Goons have 6000 votes plus alts to work with.
But I do hope that high sec people realize that this game may change radically if the CSM is dominated again by null sec interests.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
531
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:31:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:When should candidacy posts be made?
Quote: February 8th to 22nd GÇô Candidacy application period opens
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
406
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:59:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Good luck pilots. Maybe me and my alts will run /c
Do it, don't joke about it, don't even think about it, just do it.
Mining might finally get fixed. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
63
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Posted - 2012.01.25 21:30:00 -
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I don't know about using the forums for pre-election. Especially if you can like a single post with all characters you own (I don't know if this can be done, but I assume it is possible). Why can it not just be in the usual election voting way? Also, I never liked the 1 account=1 vote. It's too plutocratic for my tastes. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
206
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Posted - 2012.01.25 21:50:00 -
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It would be interesting to get someone to talk for hisec or WiS.
But I don't trust it's gonna happen. Now that the CSM proved to be more influential, the push to get a tighter nullsec grip on it will be even harder than before. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
793
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Posted - 2012.01.25 22:08:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:It would be interesting to get someone to talk for hisec or WiS.
But I don't trust it's gonna happen. Now that the CSM proved to be more influential, the push to get a tighter nullsec grip on it will be even harder than before. Well... if 100% of players would vote, there would be more hisec representatives than nullsecs ones. However past years have kinda proved that most unorganized players do not vote - hence the big alliances will continue to have edge...
...unless CCP makes voting semi mandatory in login or something. This could be done with question "you have not given your vote in CSM election yet, would you like to select a candidate and vote now?, yes, no (don't ask me again), later (ask me again in next login) and redirect to voting page.
Get |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
796
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Posted - 2012.01.25 22:39:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Good luck pilots. Maybe me and my alts will run /c You should...
I would vote you but unfortunately Meissa is going to run again and I've already decided to support her re-election solely because she likes to dig into difficult things and research all the facts and opinions before making decisions. Even while she would not have personal agenda in something.
However I am sure that also you, Chribba, will have enough support to get you through and make good and fair addition to the crew. Best of luck.
Get |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
206
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Posted - 2012.01.25 23:03:00 -
[47] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:Chribba wrote:Good luck pilots. Maybe me and my alts will run /c You should... I would vote you but unfortunately Meissa is going to run again and I've already decided to support her re-election solely because she likes to dig into difficult things and research all the facts and opinions before making decisions. Even while she would not have personal agenda in something. However I am sure that also you, Chribba, will have enough support to get you through and make good and fair addition to the crew. Best of luck.
Well, i kind of was more fond of having voted Meissa until I wrote him about WiS and, well... i am still waiting for an answer. |
Acks
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
7
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Posted - 2012.01.25 23:07:00 -
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Mikaila Penshar wrote:In all seriousness this time...
Why not have simple polling questions, maybe something like 3-5 true/false or multiple choice questions, that pop up every time one logs into the game? These can be compiled into workable data and the players will be directly representing themselves without the need for anyone to unfairly push an agenda. The questions themselves can be written by CCP Devs or the players themselves if a space was provided at the bottom of the poll, and the answers should be gathered in a confidential manner so players can feel free to be as honest as possible. Given an option to answer any, or all, or none of those questions would show interest on those particular points being polled and CCP could thus do away completely with the CSM and deal directly with it's player base in an informed and non invasive fashion. The idea of censoring questions will no doubt be raised, but I think it best to not censor any of the questions and let the chips fall where they may- it might well be yet another truly unique innovation in human interaction via gamespace for EVE to claim.
This.
Obviously you can't have a free for all with everyone posting questions for the polls, and every log in may be a bit much but the concept is sound. Maybe have a weekly hit list of questions people can choose to respond to or not. If they are multiple choice then the results are easily tabulated and you can easily limit it to 1 vote per active account to avoid alt spam.
This would be a fairly easy barometer to gauge peoples preferences and priorities as well as a way to compare the responses of the masses to the opinions of the CSM. The CSM has the potential to offer a valuable service to both EVE and to CCP in the granularity and explanation of certain opinions and priorities. I do however agree with the general consensus that the current election processes do not necessarily assure a balanced range of viewpoints on the CSM. This could be a very valuable tool for CCP to help with design decisions before they get to far along.
I would further add that the results of this type of weekly (or whatever interval) voting be made public so everyone can see the results. This will give the player base the ability to see for themselves what the opinions and preferences of the masses are. This can quickly prove / disprove any disparities, reduce trolling, give everyone empirical data as to the mood / thoughts of the rest of the player base, and overall give people a better sense of having a say in the game they love.
Thanks, Acks RONA Directorate |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1348
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Posted - 2012.01.25 23:20:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:I don't know about using the forums for pre-election. Especially because you can like a single post with all characters you own. I don't think your amount of votes should depend on how many characters you own. And if you can just constantly recycle forum alts for this purpose, then
Yep. I told CCP Xhagen and CCP Diagoras it was kind of pointless. Oh well, it will be interesting to see what happens. CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism! CSM 6 Activities Summary | My CSM blog |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
157
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Posted - 2012.01.26 00:01:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Good luck pilots. Maybe me and my alts will run /c DO EEEEEEEEEEET!
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
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Tenebrae Syrennis
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 00:11:00 -
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UAxDEATH wrote:Lets ride again!!
I'm sorry, but who are you, again? |
Harold Tuphlos
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
38
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Posted - 2012.01.26 00:32:00 -
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Tenebrae Syrennis wrote:UAxDEATH wrote:Lets ride again!! I'm sorry, but who are you, again?
I know who Death is, but the real question is why anybody should care if YOU know who he is. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1282
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Posted - 2012.01.26 00:46:00 -
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Acks wrote:Mikaila Penshar wrote:In all seriousness this time...
Why not have simple polling questions, maybe something like 3-5 true/false or multiple choice questions, that pop up every time one logs into the game? These can be compiled into workable data and the players will be directly representing themselves without the need for anyone to unfairly push an agenda. The questions themselves can be written by CCP Devs or the players themselves if a space was provided at the bottom of the poll, and the answers should be gathered in a confidential manner so players can feel free to be as honest as possible. Given an option to answer any, or all, or none of those questions would show interest on those particular points being polled and CCP could thus do away completely with the CSM and deal directly with it's player base in an informed and non invasive fashion. The idea of censoring questions will no doubt be raised, but I think it best to not censor any of the questions and let the chips fall where they may- it might well be yet another truly unique innovation in human interaction via gamespace for EVE to claim. This. Obviously you can't have a free for all with everyone posting questions for the polls, and every log in may be a bit much but the concept is sound. Maybe have a weekly hit list of questions people can choose to respond to or not. If they are multiple choice then the results are easily tabulated and you can easily limit it to 1 vote per active account to avoid alt spam. This would be a fairly easy barometer to gauge peoples preferences and priorities as well as a way to compare the responses of the masses to the opinions of the CSM. The CSM has the potential to offer a valuable service to both EVE and to CCP in the granularity and explanation of certain opinions and priorities. I do however agree with the general consensus that the current election processes do not necessarily assure a balanced range of viewpoints on the CSM. This could be a very valuable tool for CCP to help with design decisions before they get to far along. I would further add that the results of this type of weekly (or whatever interval) voting be made public so everyone can see the results. This will give the player base the ability to see for themselves what the opinions and preferences of the masses are. This can quickly prove / disprove any disparities, reduce trolling, give everyone empirical data as to the mood / thoughts of the rest of the player base, and overall give people a better sense of having a say in the game they love. Thanks, Acks RONA Directorate
I can trivially write a Poll to come out any way I want. Just like that Texas Legislator got the legislature to almost pass a resolution praising the Boston Strangler (he pulled it right before it officially passed, but after it had enough votes) by writing it in creative language.
The CSM was intended to be a check on CCP's idiocy machine (everyone's got one, some just hide it out back), so having CCP write the questions that are going to be used to be a check on their idiocy machine is, well, idiotic. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Vjorn Angannon
Fleet Escort Services
12
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:32:00 -
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Two step wrote:I'll be running for re-election, I look forward to a hard fought campaign!
Keeping the Unknown..........unknown.
+3 votes this year |
Greygal
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
102
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:48:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Good luck pilots. Maybe me and my alts will run /c
Looks like you already have more than enough "Likes" to pass the initial pre-election stage!
What you do for yourself dies with you, what you do for others is immortal. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
173
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:56:00 -
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You know, it's sarcastically hilarious that we are talking about elections in a year that will be nothing but the 2012 US Presidential election. It's bad enough I have to suffer grueling attack ads that mislead with politicians that don't sound smart. Now we Americans have to suffer another election at the same time. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1283
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:09:00 -
[57] - Quote
Henry Haphorn wrote:You know, it's sarcastically hilarious that we are talking about elections in a year that will be nothing but the 2012 US Presidential election. It's bad enough I have to suffer grueling attack ads that mislead with politicians that don't sound smart. Now we Americans have to suffer another election at the same time.
We've already had ~7 months of primary pie-fighting. On occasion I had forgotten that it wasn't an election year yet. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:30:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:You know, it's sarcastically hilarious that we are talking about elections in a year that will be nothing but the 2012 US Presidential election. It's bad enough I have to suffer grueling attack ads that mislead with politicians that don't sound smart. Now we Americans have to suffer another election at the same time.
so what you are saying is each CSM candidate needs a Super Pac? |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
17
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Posted - 2012.01.26 08:36:00 -
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I never cared about the CSM before, but that has changed since the current CSM obviously had a big impact in turning EVE around. So now I need information to become a qualified voter. How and where will I get it?
Actually, voting for TheMittani would be a no-brainer for me. But I assume he will be elected anyway, and chairman too, having thousands of his subjects behind him and all that. So I wonder if some of the others are especially deserving of re-election. I'd want to make sure that w-space residents are represented again, but I have no real idea how good a job the two w-space guys in the current CSM were doing. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
339
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Posted - 2012.01.26 11:56:00 -
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VOTE SKIPPERMONKEY FOR CSM
I AM TERRIBAD AT EVE, BUT GREAT AT FORUMS, A WINNING COMBINATION FOR CSM! |
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