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Arshes Nei
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.10.26 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kerdrak
Since cap usage bonus are inside the 100% to damage bonus, Kronos have the same 50% cap reduction use with turrets as Paladin. Also, Paladin have less dronebay/bandwith than Kronos, making it worse at short range (due to less dps from drones).
This means that Kronos is able to use lasers, at least, as good as PaladinAND making more damage with drones. This means Kronos is far better than Paladin in ALL aspects and UNBALANCED.
Just because this crap gets repeated doesnt make it true. I give you a hint, the 100% damage boni are tied to racial guns, like every single damn damage bonus in the whole game.
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goodby4u
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Arshes Nei
Originally by: Kerdrak
Since cap usage bonus are inside the 100% to damage bonus, Kronos have the same 50% cap reduction use with turrets as Paladin. Also, Paladin have less dronebay/bandwith than Kronos, making it worse at short range (due to less dps from drones).
This means that Kronos is able to use lasers, at least, as good as PaladinAND making more damage with drones. This means Kronos is far better than Paladin in ALL aspects and UNBALANCED.
Just because this crap gets repeated doesnt make it true. I give you a hint, the 100% damage boni are tied to racial guns, like every single damn damage bonus in the whole game.
Your missing the point,if that were not true and the kronos had the same amount of pulse lasers(damage wise)it would have both the same tank and MORE dps with a different racial guns.
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dAn melax
Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 13:57:00 -
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disco-apoc ftw. xD best ship to fly with 5x wcs and smartbomb everything on your way xD yarr!
now for real yeah this battleship is silly Play Hard. Go Pro. |
Cleron
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Posted - 2007.10.26 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: Cleron on 26/10/2007 14:10:10 10% Cap bonus (7.5% if it has better stat's)/ 10% weapon Cap usage 10% Armor Hp 7.5% Armor Rep 5% Damage
Or
10% Cap bonus (7.5% if it has better stat's)/ 10% weapon Cap usage 10% Armor Hp 7.5% Armor Rep 10% Tracking
125Mbit 250m3
Meh a bit better. Of course it has no chance in hell of seeing the light of day so...
/Signed
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Ekaterina Volkova
Caldari Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 14:22:00 -
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We know amarr need a boost they know it too. We know they read the forums. If they wanted to answerd they would have said something. They must have a policy to dont answerd amarr rants. So i guess...
1 ) amarr working as intended. 2 ) We dont know / dont whant how to fix it. 3 ) They dont care.
atropos http://www.eve-search.com/thread/620905/page/1#2
"With maximum skills the Hyena gets a web range of 20km, firmly within Heavy neut/nos range. Furthermore, the Sentinel is the most neut/nos resistant of the 4 ships, having, as you say, a neut/nos amount and range bonus."
I would like to see how he fits the sentinel to be of any use. And dont die in a sec if 5 light drones atack him. At least they say something there and fast.
Tuxford http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=427 "What about the Amarr?!?! Well I guess I did promise. For me there are number of problems that plague Amarr. The biggest one in my opinion is the popularity of so called omni tank. That is tanks that just boost the tank equally over all the resistances. On smaller ships that can be explained by the ease at which people are fitting oversized plates. On bigger ships it has to do with viability of plates but also people are often choosing EANM over active hardeners.
Comparing EANM with active hardener isn't really straight forward process. You might be tempted just compare the average resistance, or that is the average damage that leaks through. That's fine if it's what you want to do but given that only two types of turrets do EM damage and projectile do little of it, then I'd take a high kinetic and thermal resistance instead of high EM resistance any day. The reason I don't always fit an active hardener is simply because they use up too much cpu. Tech 2 activatable armor hardeners uses 14tf more than energized one and that amounts to a lot of cpu need. In a pinch we might consider fiddling with base resistances, that is increase EM resistance a bit on shield and lower it on armor but that's something we really shouldn't do unless we have to.
Amarr needs oomph. TomB and I have been talking about giving them oomph. What is oomph? I don't know but I sure like typing it. The Amarr were supposed to be the capacitor race, today that can be best characterized by the fact that they need most of it. It seems blatantly obvious that they should get bonus to capacitor warfare. Of course that is totally dependant on how we're "overhauling" nosferatus.
People say that beams are too hard to fit and in general, I agree. Then why haven't we done anything? Well it can be really time consuming and frankly there is always something "bigger" we need to think about. We haven't forgotten about this however.
Khanid MK2. I don't think I need to explain what it is, in general we liked the idea and I don't think it's at all unlikely that we will actually go through with it.
General ship loving. There are some ships that need help and we're gonna give it to them. Which ships you might ask? Well, Armageddon might need some fitting help, the cruisers aren't really that great and Apocalypse might get a bit of a role twist."
The Apocalypse might get a role twistí! great ... now we get a loladin. If they knew in february that the apocalypse needed a twist... why they made the paladin? Is the same ship.. only more expensive. If they wanted to change the Apoc this was the best time. Now they need to change 2 ships.
Oveur http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=501
"Bandwidth referenced here is not in reference to your internet connection. It's to un-nerf specialized drone ships and allow more differentation between ships."
un-nerf? I think the arbitrator will do less dps and wont be able to field 3 sentry Drones.
But at least we know they are aware of the problems we have.
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Arshes Nei
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.10.26 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Arshes Nei
Originally by: Kerdrak
Since cap usage bonus are inside the 100% to damage bonus, Kronos have the same 50% cap reduction use with turrets as Paladin. Also, Paladin have less dronebay/bandwith than Kronos, making it worse at short range (due to less dps from drones).
This means that Kronos is able to use lasers, at least, as good as PaladinAND making more damage with drones. This means Kronos is far better than Paladin in ALL aspects and UNBALANCED.
Just because this crap gets repeated doesnt make it true. I give you a hint, the 100% damage boni are tied to racial guns, like every single damn damage bonus in the whole game.
Your missing the point,if that were not true and the kronos had the same amount of pulse lasers(damage wise)it would have both the same tank and MORE dps with a different racial guns.
Look there is no point.
Originally by: kerdrak This means that Kronos is able to use lasers, at least, as good as Paladin AND making more damage with drones. This means Kronos is far better than Paladin in ALL aspects and UNBALANCED.
This is simply wrong, as in not the case, not happening, in your dreams - kind of wrong. And a "but if it where true ..." doesnt change a damn because it isnt. The paladin has a damage bonus to lasers and the same amount of turret hardpoints the kronos has, which doesnt have a damage bonus to lasers.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.26 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ekaterina Volkova The Apocalypse might get a role twistí! great ... now we get a loladin. If they knew in february that the apocalypse needed a twist... why they made the paladin? Is the same ship.. only more expensive. If they wanted to change the Apoc this was the best time. Now they need to change 2 ships.
Yeah, that's what gets me too. It's like they either completely forgot about the Apoc role change, or decided against it.
Laserboats are becoming a big joke these days. I'm hoping that CCP will go "psyche!" and then show us the REAL Paladin. I mean come on, they can't be THAT stupid.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.26 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Arshes Nei The paladin has a damage bonus to lasers and the same amount of turret hardpoints the kronos has, which doesnt have a damage bonus to lasers.
No it doesn't.
Look at the bonuses again. It has a tracking bonus, not damage bonus.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr BAD ATTITUDES
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Posted - 2007.10.26 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: Lisento Slaven on 26/10/2007 15:19:07
Originally by: Kruel
Originally by: Arshes Nei The paladin has a damage bonus to lasers and the same amount of turret hardpoints the kronos has, which doesnt have a damage bonus to lasers.
No it doesn't.
Look at the bonuses again. It has a tracking bonus, not damage bonus.
You seriously need to look again...Arshes is right.
And if you still don't believe anyone, I'll point you straight to the ROLE BONUSES. Please look =P
EDIT: Since I don't trust you to look it up on your own here, from the blog...
Bonuses:
* 5% bonus to capacitor capacity per Amarr BS level * 2% bonus to stasis webifier velocity factor per Amarr BS level * 7.5% bonus to armor repair amount per Marauder level * 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Marauder level * Role bonus: 100% bonus to large energy turret damage * Role bonus: 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams ---
Put in space whales!
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.26 15:22:00 -
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So simple soo simple. 40 CPU + and about 2K more PG..... pleaaaaasee pleaaase.
I think all the insatisfied players shoudl eachone get 1 APOC and get all together ad drop them floating in front of Jita 4-4
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.26 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: dAn melax disco-apoc ftw. xD best ship to fly with 5x wcs and smartbomb everything on your way xD yarr!
now for real yeah this battleship is silly
LOL disco, yeah its a really useful "role" haha.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.26 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lisento Slaven Edited by: Lisento Slaven on 26/10/2007 15:19:07
Originally by: Kruel
Originally by: Arshes Nei The paladin has a damage bonus to lasers and the same amount of turret hardpoints the kronos has, which doesnt have a damage bonus to lasers.
No it doesn't.
Look at the bonuses again. It has a tracking bonus, not damage bonus.
You seriously need to look again...Arshes is right.
And if you still don't believe anyone, I'll point you straight to the ROLE BONUSES. Please look =P
EDIT: Since I don't trust you to look it up on your own here, from the blog...
Bonuses:
* 5% bonus to capacitor capacity per Amarr BS level * 2% bonus to stasis webifier velocity factor per Amarr BS level * 7.5% bonus to armor repair amount per Marauder level * 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Marauder level * Role bonus: 100% bonus to large energy turret damage * Role bonus: 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams
Ah that's right... turning the 4 lasers into 8. Still, Abaddon will do more damage so I won't be flying the Paladin.
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Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.26 15:43:00 -
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<3 the discopoc; <3 the cap bonus; yeah, I could think of a better set of bonuses for the apoc, but it is nice having 8k+ cap right off the bat. Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Ekaterina Volkova
Caldari Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon So simple soo simple. 40 CPU + and about 2K more PG..... pleaaaaasee pleaaase.
Paladin Fitting: 500tf, 13,500mw Drones: 75Mbit/s bandwidth, 75m3 dronebay Sensors: 12pt radar, 10 target locks Propulsion: 125m/s, 110,000,000kg
5% bonus to capacitor capacity per Amarr BS level 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Marauder level
Kronos Fitting: 550tf, 12,000mw Drones: 125Mbit/s bandwidth, 125m3 dronebay Sensors: 13pt magnetometric, 10 target locks Propulsion: 135m/s, 102,500,000kg
We dont know the capacitor of each ship so we cant compare those.
Paladin +1500mw +7.5% tracking bonus Kronos +50tf +50Mbit/s +75m3 dronebay +1 pt sensor +10m/s - 7500000kg
So its you to decide if 1500mw its worth 2 more heavy drones more cpu more dronebay better sensor better speed and less mass.
And i think with the web bonus they have the tracking bonus is no use ... If you web something you will hit it with or without the bonus.
And tracking bonus is not damage bonus. And even if you can make in some circunstances more damage is less than the damage of two heavy drones.
simple?
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ekaterina Volkova
Originally by: Kagura Nikon So simple soo simple. 40 CPU + and about 2K more PG..... pleaaaaasee pleaaase.
Paladin Fitting: 500tf, 13,500mw Drones: 75Mbit/s bandwidth, 75m3 dronebay Sensors: 12pt radar, 10 target locks Propulsion: 125m/s, 110,000,000kg
5% bonus to capacitor capacity per Amarr BS level 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking per Marauder level
Kronos Fitting: 550tf, 12,000mw Drones: 125Mbit/s bandwidth, 125m3 dronebay Sensors: 13pt magnetometric, 10 target locks Propulsion: 135m/s, 102,500,000kg
We dont know the capacitor of each ship so we cant compare those.
Paladin +1500mw +7.5% tracking bonus Kronos +50tf +50Mbit/s +75m3 dronebay +1 pt sensor +10m/s - 7500000kg
So its you to decide if 1500mw its worth 2 more heavy drones more cpu more dronebay better sensor better speed and less mass.
And i think with the web bonus they have the tracking bonus is no use ... If you web something you will hit it with or without the bonus.
And tracking bonus is not damage bonus. And even if you can make in some circunstances more damage is less than the damage of two heavy drones.
simple?
i am talkjing about APOC APOC!!!! See the main title of thread is about the APOC! Not paladin
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Ekaterina Volkova
Caldari Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Ekaterina Volkova on 26/10/2007 16:14:09
sorry ;-) bad quote
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Veng3ance
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:13:00 -
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Just get rid of that webbing bonus and give us something else on the paladin!
NOT A SINGLE AMARR BATTLESHIP WEAPON HAS AN OPTIMAL UNDER 10KM
WTF is a webbing bonus doing on an AMARR ship!!!!?!?!?!?!?!
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr BAD ATTITUDES
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Veng3ance Just get rid of that webbing bonus and give us something else on the paladin!
NOT A SINGLE AMARR BATTLESHIP WEAPON HAS AN OPTIMAL UNDER 10KM
WTF is a webbing bonus doing on an AMARR ship!!!!?!?!?!?!?!
Give us another tanking bonus and I think that would be cool. ---
Put in space whales!
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lisento Slaven
Originally by: Veng3ance Just get rid of that webbing bonus and give us something else on the paladin!
NOT A SINGLE AMARR BATTLESHIP WEAPON HAS AN OPTIMAL UNDER 10KM
WTF is a webbing bonus doing on an AMARR ship!!!!?!?!?!?!?!
Give us another tanking bonus and I think that would be cool.
I don't even use webs on my mission Abaddon. With 2x TCs I can hit cruisers and above just fine. Drones take care of the frigs I don't pop at range. This web bonus is a waste on the Paladin.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:19:00 -
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I hate to do this but. BUMP! This topic MUSt stay in top of main page until very last second before rev 3 deployment!
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
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Corvin Demeter
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Corvin Demeter on 26/10/2007 17:24:00
/signed
I am currently cross-training Amarr so I can use the Khanid ships...while doing so I have bought and used a number of Amarr frigates, cruisers and a harbinger bc...the balancing problems with most Amarr ships are real and deserve urgent Dev attention.
Also, as has been pointed out in this thread (and many others), the lack of a single Dev response to the concerns expressed by the community in general is err...strange...to say the least.
Especially when you note the number of Devs that were able to find the time to contribute to a 'fluff' thread dealing with the geographical point of origin of CCP devs?
Silence will not make this go away CCP.
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Astrit
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:33:00 -
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Perhaps CCP think, that if they unnerf Amarr, then it will be a GAME WON for some of the players (amarr players waiting years for this to happen), and they will no longer buy iskies for real money?
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Ekaterina Volkova
Caldari Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:41:00 -
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At least they said something here not much put something is something ;-)
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=621254&page=2#57
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Corvin Demeter
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ekaterina Volkova At least they said something here not much put something is something ;-)
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=621254&page=2#57
OMG...Prism broke the ban...but managed to say nothing at all.
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Gagarish
Amarr VVS Corporition Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:41:00 -
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All Heil Prism!!!!
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Hijara
Amarr Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:57:00 -
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/signed ive never signed an amarr petition, even through i fly them exclusively, and love the ships. But getting raped by the nerf bat every single patch/expansion/addition is getting really old. Ive been playing for about a year and a half as a loyal customer and this is making me consider a new game.
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Letifer Deus
A Astroid Belt
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Veng3ance Just get rid of that webbing bonus and give us something else on the paladin!
NOT A SINGLE AMARR BATTLESHIP WEAPON HAS AN OPTIMAL UNDER 10KM
WTF is a webbing bonus doing on an AMARR ship!!!!?!?!?!?!?!
Unfortunately, these are technically mission ships. You're guns may have a greater than 10km optimal, but that doesn't mean they can kill an orbiting deadspace frig. With a 99% web, they can. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!" |
annoing
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: shinsushi AMARR - Taking it up the butt since 2005
Word!
CCP devs are the lowest of the low. Amarr needs love like a hippy needs weed. The devs just need a brain.
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Dopefish
Amarr Quad and Fish
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:47:00 -
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Paladin gets a hidden cap use bonus for lasers with the reduction in turrets.
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Amelia O
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Posted - 2007.10.26 20:03:00 -
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amarr = wow shamans
/signed
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